2004-02-27, 04:29 | Link #61 |
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It is more about how long from when you discover that there is a new release, to when you are finally able to watch it. You may come home hours after a new release, but instead of taking that 30 minutes to wait for your BT to finish downloading, you could spend 15 minutes with IRC. Unless you're one of the types that watch whatever's out first instead of one group, I don't think memorizing one channel's IRC location is that hard. You can even take it one step further, and memorize which of the bots are the best from that one channel.
I also watch stuff I download days or weeks after I download it, but I still go with IRC. It is much more convenient this way, because I can just let the download go while I can use my upload speed for more important stuff. So even with smaller channels, if I can download at 30 kb/s with IRC, that's good enough for me. |
2004-02-27, 04:49 | Link #62 |
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mIRC and BT
I can use them both but i do prefer mIRC , you can just check get auto file and resume if file exists , so I don't get somebody said , he had to download the file all over again -_-´ but mIRC has some minus points , sometimes the download speed is UNDER 50kb/s but now I have with BT - ( hunter x hunter ) that there is nobody who's seeding and nobody downloading so ... I'm seeding hikaru no go special myself , if I can't download i just seed ( wow already send 128 mb :P ) but if mIRC Bots are offline , you have to wait a few hours OR A FEW DAYS so that's the same as BT but I like mIRC better I completely understand the program , and fserve sucks - go slow and virusses , i was trying to fserve once and I succeeded but i have a router so it pretty sucks to fserve and I think i'm gonna look for naruto 72 anbu aone release cya |
2004-02-27, 05:07 | Link #63 | ||
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*sigh* sometimes I miss the old days ... bt has really made a lot of the whole distro thing a lot more cold and impersonal. And a lot more impatient. No more "oh, it's 3 days after the release, I guess I stand a chance of finding it now" ... it's all about more faster now now now immediate service. I guess that's where everything's headed now though, with video on demand and pvr's and more people leaning more heavily on microwaves and fast food. I wonder why we as a society have lost our ability to appreciate waits, and to learn to take breaks from our constant flashing audiovisual stimuli to catch up with nonflashing varieties of the same, like friends and family... or using compile times as an excuse to go out and get coffee or take a walk. bleh, there I go sidetracking again. I think I'll stop before I hit some post length limit or just bore everyone :-p. (dang kids and your mtv and your skateboards and your long hair and your music) |
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2004-02-27, 06:41 | Link #64 |
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Actually, it is possible to run BT on a hacked computer. So if people would really want to use hacked computer as seeds, they can do it (altough setting up iroffer is far easier). And I won't reply to people asking me how
As for the fight XDCC vs BT... I prefer XDCC, but still uses torrent to get most of the releases. Why? Because I just have to check on animesuki for the latest torrents, one click, and the download starts. I can even serve the file on BT without being bothered by setting a fserve or a xdcc bot on my computer. However, my comp cannot handle too many torrents at the same time (maybe because I set max_upload to 50, but eh, I have extra bandwidth to waste). However, XDCC and BT are working well together, as you have lots of people who will use the torrent, and therefore help the xdcc to not be overloaded during release time. If you want to use XDCC bots as seed, I would rather have them on older serie batch files. They are poorly or not seeded at all, when new releases usually get quickly lots of seeds. |
2004-02-27, 06:53 | Link #65 | |
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We at L-E run a btseeder that scans the .torrents and seeds the ones that need it most ( 0 seeds, etc ), but not everyone has that luxury. And it'd be REALLY imporactical to load all these old releases onto hacked computers because you don't want to eat up too much HD space and be caught out :P This is the main reason why hacked XDCC bots are used for new releases primarily. That and the increased demand for them. Also, since bt has the leechers helping upload, you can get away with a lot less bandwidth for releases than you could without it. As long as you have 1 person seeding the file will make its way around eventually (says the guy who released Wolf's Rain eps with 1 seed and 1100 leechers, haha ^^ -Tofu |
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2004-02-27, 07:02 | Link #66 |
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Well I prefer IRC over BT, but yeah BT is easier. Also to hack some1's computer and use it as seed is easy...just as running iroffer on victim machine. Scan range of IP's -> check if they have shares visible to outside world->check for weak passwords->execute remote command->check register over web and install remote control app (netBus is good) and run console app (like BT) and send output to null
I think if person who can't notice that 100% of his CPU is used and his free space is getting smaller all the time...then I guess it's his fault. Also hacked distro is bad...coz you never know when will it die and how much space there is (users fill their hdds pretty fast too). I prefer to have a distro group I can count on rather then 100 bots coming and going all the time. Also some users turn off computers for the night. |
2004-02-27, 10:32 | Link #67 | |
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2004-02-27, 10:40 | Link #68 |
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In general with new popular file I get better speed with BT than XDCC. It is usually a pointless execise to try to get into XDCC for a new file anyway since the queues are always full, e.g. the A-E releases that triggered this discussion.
But with old files XDCC is usually faster and sometime the only way to get the file. But it sure is annoying when you need to go through a lot of XDCC/fserve servers just to find one file. The big advantage of BT (and ed2k) is the check-sum. Once it is done you know the file is good. With other methods - XDCC, fserve or FTP - you still need to do the check manually. BT's ability to repair broken files from other source is very handy. Newsgroup is the most efficient way to distribute the file - you just upload once and let the big servers with big pipes handle the distribution, and with the right server you can be completely annonymous. It is getting expensive to use though with many ISP reducing or cutting off their NNTP server since the gigs of warez and pr0n posts just keep growing. |
2004-02-27, 10:44 | Link #69 |
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Yes, newsgroups are fast, but not too many people know how to use them effectively or even have access to a decent provider.
I prefer XDCC over BT simply due to speed. If I can max out my downstream and get a file in about 20 minutes, why use BT and spend a few hours attempting to nab the file? Anyway, in A-E's case, their bots aren't hacked, the clients willing allowed for the IROffer to be placed on their systems. >.> |
2004-02-27, 17:39 | Link #70 |
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Don't worry about people here Koro.
The people complaining about no BT releases are people who are too lazy to learn how to use IRC, yet still have time to bitch about it? You don't want them in your channel anyway. Remember, fansubbers don't "owe" leeches anything. I like to know who downloads my fansubs, and with BT I can't see that. Solution is to do IRC releases.... and who cares if peolpe complain. If they hate it so much, they can go download one of the other 50 new BT episodes available that day. I'm thinking of doing my next release IRC only. It sucks when your BT has 4000+ downloads, and yet your IRC channel has 30 people. The same people who have been around for over a year. A nice IRC release will get some new blood in there and liven things up... |
2004-02-27, 23:09 | Link #71 | |
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2004-02-27, 23:58 | Link #72 |
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I don't know about your leecher side of things, but certainly from an upload view, BT is much nicer.
I am only behind a residential DSL @ 384kbps up. I have no access to fast bots myself, and if I did, I'd still have to upload the file to the bot. In that amount of time, and the same amount of bandwidth, the world could have the file. Thus, I use BT. Of course, all the leechers promptly complain that they are only getting 18kB/s. The leechers don't see the time lag between encoding complete/predistro and announce, because the groups release later, when distro is all ready. |
2004-02-28, 00:37 | Link #73 | |
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2004-02-28, 00:55 | Link #74 | |
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2004-02-28, 01:28 | Link #76 | |
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2004-02-28, 01:34 | Link #77 | |
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2004-02-28, 01:42 | Link #78 | |
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"Is it done yet?" "When is it going to be done?" "You guys suck!!! (Is it done yet?)" "You're slower than group X" "Why aren't you done yet?" Get the idea? I still feel that the constructive criticism and the heartfelt thanks will still make it to your channel. Average leechers don't generally want anything more than their files, and in most cases could care less to critique your encoding, editing, etc. I agree however that it can be a downer to sit around in IRC with very few people around aside from the staff, and get very little feedback, positive or otherwise on a release.(Particularly if you felt it was deserving of either criticism or praise.) |
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