The Novel and Manga of Haruhi Suzumiya

[J the Drafter]

Originally Posted by Eater of All

Which is why I put quotation marks around the word. A skimpy outfit and a skimpier outfit are both obvious (blatant) fanservice, but the difference is that one is more, I guess, aggressive than the other. "Blatant" still kinda conveys that meaning, albeit a little misleadingly, but in the end it's all semantics.

What I'm confused is that Game_2k4 argued that the fanservice in Haruhi is "blatant". He also argued that the fanserivce is unnecessary. Which is the problem? If it being too "blatant" is the problem, he should probably quit watching anime try to be a little more tolerant. If it being unnecessary is the problem, he should probably see it as not fanservice but just another testament to Haruhi's brattiness/whatever instead.

The fanservice isn't really treated like an example of Haruhi's sociopathy. Think, when was the last time a Superman franchise used Darkseid's cruelty as a vehicle for humor or titillation? If the costume-rape was intended to be an example of how Haruhi violates and humiliates other people so she can have fun, than the show would present those instances of cosrape as something invasive and humiliating. It's not necessary to have the forced cosplay as a fanservice. Personally, I'd argue the show suffers from it.

[Eater of All]

Originally Posted by J the Drafter

The fanservice isn't really treated like an example of Haruhi's sociopathy. Think, when was the last time a Superman franchise used Darkseid's cruelty as a vehicle for humor or titillation? If the costume-rape was intended to be an example of how Haruhi violates and humiliates other people so she can have fun, than the show would present those instances of cosrape as something invasive and humiliating. It's not necessary to have the forced cosplay as a fanservice. Personally, I'd argue the show suffers from it.

Portraying it in a dark fashion would've been jarring though, considering that most of the series maintains a relatively upbeat/happy atmosphere. What happened in Sighs doesn't need to happen often. TBH, I don't really doubt that fanservice was part of the intention either, but again I don't see how that makes it any less valid for showing Haruhi's sociopathy (if it makes a viewer notice how cruel Haruhi is, then it already succeeded).

Nonetheless, if you simply don't like the fanservice, nothing I can argue against that.

[robertp555]

ok you people may like this manga but try having a 12 year old brother read it 24/7 and not shut up about is ever

[ijuinkun]

Originally Posted by bayoab

Major Haruhi announcement in the 12/27 on sale issue of The Sneaker. (In this thread since The Sneaker is normally novel related.)

Hopefully it's either an announcement of the release date for novel 10, or an announcement that there will be more animation (either a third run of the series, or else a second run of Haruhi-chan/Churuya-san).

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by robertp555

ok you people may like this manga but try having a 12 year old brother read it 24/7 and not shut up about is ever

What does that have to do with anything? 12-year-old little brothers go on and on about stuff all the time, good or bad. Inanity, thy name is 12-year-old... Just tell the little bugger he's ruining your enjoyment and to chill-out, and give him a good Gibbs Slap if he doesn't. That's your job as older sibling.

[J the Drafter]

Originally Posted by Eater of All

Portraying it in a dark fashion would've been jarring though, considering that most of the series maintains a relatively upbeat/happy atmosphere. What happened in Sighs doesn't need to happen often. TBH, I don't really doubt that fanservice was part of the intention either, but again I don't see how that makes it any less valid for showing Haruhi's sociopathy (if it makes a viewer notice how cruel Haruhi is, then it already succeeded).

Nonetheless, if you simply don't like the fanservice, nothing I can argue against that.

The stripping and forced redressing is a dark concept anyway, and Tanigawa/Kyoto using it in a humorous, fanservicey, or matter-of-fact manner doesn't change that. Sigh. Nothing I can do about it. I guess the issue will have to be left to fanfiction.

[Gamer_2k4]

Alright, let me try to explain the whole "blatant vs. incidental fanservice" thing again. Consider adult Mikuru. Is she attractive? Without a doubt. Could that be considered fanservice? Sure, why not. But simply being attractive isn't really blatant. The blatant fanservice would be when she unbuttoned her top to show Kyon her mole (especially since it's visible in the movie without any additional effort).

Or, consider this. I've seen people here call it "fanservice" to show Yuki smiling in the movie. Why? Well, because it's what any Yuki fan would want to see. But that smile is simply incidental to the fact that she's expressing happiness. There's a massive difference between that and stuffing Mikuru into a bunny girl costume for the explicit purpose of attracting attention.

In short, if a character is acting naturally and it happens to be "fanservice," that's tolerable, and actually rather hard to argue against. (And don't tell me that Haruhi taking off her top in the middle of class was natural for her. You know what I mean.) However, if a situation is engineered to provoke a reaction, like the decidedly unorthodox camera angles in Code Geass that I mentioned before, that's blatant, and that bothers me.

Originally Posted by Eater of All

To be fair though, Gamer_2k4 did say he doesn't know exactly why he likes this thing, so I guess the only logical alternative is to talk about what he dislikes about it instead.

Eh, it's more like a personal backlash to how everyone is all too ready to praise something. It's a lot harder to find criticism (in a forum exclusively about the anime in question, anyway), and I like to think that's where I come in.

[CrowKenobi]

Just to let everyone know that I've deleted a number of posts that became a little too personal. If anyone has issues, please take it to PM since the "public" forums are not the place for it.

Thank you.

[B2-Lancer]

Seasons Greetings!

Has anyone heard this rumble that Ryouko Asakura makes a "comeback" as a recurring character in a "Squid Girl" anime and manga -- including the knife thing?

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by bayoab

Major Haruhi announcement in the 12/27 on sale issue of The Sneaker. (In this thread since The Sneaker is normally novel related.)

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

I agree that it's probably novel-related as Kadokawa Publishing's president tweeted the announcement as well.

Edit: Don't bother asking Hirano about it. She doesn't know anything.

The issue has the release date of the tenth novel. Someone on 2ch posted the cover but not what date it is.

Edit: image deleted before I could re-host it. Image has been re-hosted.

2nd Edit: May 25th, 2011 is the new release date for TWO BOOKS!


3rd edit: removed false information.

[narukamikun]

HURRAY! Thanks for the photo!

Now to hope this date doesn't get pushed back again...

[Team Rocket Elite]

Finally. I'm been waiting for this for years. Are both books going to have the same title?

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by Team Rocket Elite

Finally. I'm been waiting for this for years. Are both books going to have the same title?

Probably. The scan says they're "Before" and "After".

[Heminga13]

Woohoo! Should be a nice start to summer vacation. Well, I think finals wrap up a couple weeks earlier but yeah.

[ultimatemegax]

According to the article, the cover image that was created 3 years ago by Ito will still be used. 2ch research brought up this image (likely from a past issue of The Sneaker when the first release date in 2007 was valid:


It would fit the Haruhi/Mikuru/Yuki framework that was used for 1-3 and 6-8.

Edit: Not 100% sure, but it looks to be around 600 pages total between the two books.

[Isekaijin]

If both are alternate universes, due to whatever happened in the 9th book, I still have hopes that in one of them Kyon will choose Nagato over Haruhi.

A man may dream.

[RRW]

2 book?

you mean each have separated timeline

or fisrt book have both timeline and second book combine both of them

[Tyabann]

...Two books? Two entire fucking books?

Oh dear. It looks like working on Kagerou Meikyuu might be getting to Tanigawa...

[xBTAx]

Huh... The ANN post on this says that it'll be released "worldwide", and running the source through Google Translate shows that it does say something about that...

Can anyone that can actually translate it see if it it's explained further? Considering book #5 won't even be out in English by then, it's a really odd thing to say...

[Clarste]

Well, worldwide doesn't mean English. It could mean Chinese, Korean and Russian, or really any combination that involves any country outside of Japan.