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She can't recognized Kyon because: 1) it was dark 2) it was three years ago (he shouldn't still be in HS, you forget that she does have some common sense) 3) she was probably more concerned about her doodle more than the guy doing it at the time. Also, regarding her oblivious/unfocused self... keep in mind that she is only a first/second year high school girl. Yes she can bend reality to her will... but she's only around 16 years old. Quote:
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She can sometimes be the antagonist. Over the course of the series I'd dare say she is most often the antagonist. But not always. And this is a series with very few (if any) true "villains". Quote:
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2009-08-30, 15:43 | Link #67 |
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Regarding Koizumi, it kind of makes Kyon more special, if you think about it. Haruhi dominates Mikuru anyway, Yuki is apathetic to the situation and will go along and Koizumi actually tries to statisfy Haruhi. And everyone else just ignores Haruhi when she's being a jerk to them.. So basically, Haruhi never had anyone telling her "you can't do that", which is why everything works out for her. That and her divine powers most likely help her at winning as well. Think about if everything would work just fine in your life. Of course the world is boring then! That's the entire reason for her melancholy. And then there's Kyon. Kyon sticks with her but still objects to things she does. It's like she wants Kyon to set boundaries for her. He's the only wall she has.
So you could say Koizumi is acting wrong here, in going along with whatever she thinks up, but think about it from his point of view. He was pretty much made to be the guy cleaning up Haruhi's mess. With his Esper powers. If he doesn't go along with what Haruhi says, it only get's worse for him. However, it's not like he doesn't want Haruhi to "grow up", as evidenced by his talks of appreciation to Kyon, regarding Kyon making Haruhi develop into a good direction. In hindsight, it's also good for him, but he probably can't change Haruhi like Kyon does. I also really like Haruhi's and Kyon's relationship, because there are many, many themes playing a role in it. Regarding Haruhi being a tsundere... Oh boy, that's very controversial, really. She's sometimes marketed as one, I think. And I know many people will immediately raise eyebrows when Haruhi and tsundere are mentioned in the same sentence. I know from experience many people on /a/ don't think she's a tsundere and will tell people so. Personally, I don't think she is one. This is subjective, both because the definition of tsundere may vary from person to person and because people see her in a different light. But I think that even if she has a side that is dere for Kyon, I don't really see her that tsun. She doesn't like to show that she has romantic feelings or that she's affected by Kyon in such a way, yes. But she never really goes out of her way to hurt Kyon in any way. As I said before, he's the only person she'll listen to and who can stop her.. If she were a tsundere, wouldn't she listen even less to what he has to say? I don't think so. There's some embarassment in her relationship with Kyon, maybe because she regards it as a weakness. But it's not denial. Lastly, I think there are many other character traits, so that even if she is tsundere for Kyon, it does not define her entire personality. |
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I'm actually not convinced that Haruhi wouldn't listen to Koizumi or Yuki if they spoke up against her; I mean, I think that she'd give them as much heed as she does Kyon anyway. Actually, Haruhi seems to hold Koizumi in a slightly better light than the rest of the Brigade - he's officially the 2nd-in-Command after her, correct? Perhaps Koizumi's only crime is underestimating his own ability to influence Haruhi. I don't think that she's attached to him as much as she is to Kyon, but I do think that she respects Koizumi a fair bit, and likes him as a friend. I will say this in fairness to Koizumi, though; his entire organization seems to believe that constant appeasement is the only way to go when it comes to handling Haruhi. So, it's possible that he doesn't agree with that, but has to go along with the organization's wishes anyway. Quote:
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2009-08-30, 16:34 | Link #69 |
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Haruhi's relationships with the rest of the brigade are really something to ponder about.
Kyon: She obviously loves him in some way. But she plays Tsundere with him, of course. If she had a different personality, they might even be dating by now. Mikuru: This is one to think about. Haruhi obviously thinks something of Mikuru... But other than that, nothing much to go on. If it wasn't for the whole "Haurhi is a jerk and she forces Mikuru into outfits" thing, and Haurhi was a bit nicer, they could be friends, considering Tsuruya is kinda like that. Itsuki: He's second in command, she probably thinks good of him. Like Mikuru, not much to go from there. He's quite loyal to her, though, so she might trust him a bit. Yuki: She's definitely the furthest from Yuki, so to speak. They never really talk, and there's points that Haruhi doesn't seem to know she's there. (And everyone else, for that matter ) Spoiler for Novel 9:
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2009-08-30, 16:44 | Link #70 |
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Haruhi seems to acknowledge Yuki in the area of sports (weird for the thin book reader to be considered the sports star). Yuki beats Haruhi at swimming and that run in Signs was probably faster than any world record holder.
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2009-08-30, 16:46 | Link #71 | |
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2009-08-30, 16:48 | Link #72 | ||
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Anyway, looking at this, Haruhi probably does care about Yuki quite a bit. Despite the fact that she just sits in the corner all day, Haruhi, who comes off as a jerk to all, does acknowledge her. |
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2009-08-30, 16:55 | Link #73 |
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At a very basic level, at least, Haruhi cares about all of her Brigade members. They're her Brigade members; there's only four of them, and they're the four people she's come to rely upon the most in her life.
I firmly believe, for example, that if either of the SOS Brigade members were to, say, be diagnosed with cancer and have to go to the hospital for a few days, that Haruhi would be extremely supportive and hang out with that member almost every step of the way. While Haruhi is probably uniquely close to Kyon of the four, she's very loyal to all four, I think. Haruhi is actually a very good friend in some ways. She's quite reliable.
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2009-08-30, 17:42 | Link #74 |
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I think that came through character development though. In the Melancholy arc, I got the impression she didn't think of them as that important, mostly because she was fine with discarding the whole Brigade for a more interesting world. (Except for Kyon).
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And while you say that oblivious/unfocused thing, just because she's a teenager doesn't really give her all that much of an excuse. I don't mean to sound cliche, but she really doesn't realize what she is capable of because it feels like she belittles herself as a "normal" person. Or she doesn't expect what kind of things the "normal" people can do. The jealousy with Mikuru is a perfect example because while she still pushes Kyon around, she expects him to stay loyal and follow what she wants and not show Mikuru any unnecessary attention. I wanna say that I agree with most people in the sense that the rest of the SOS Brigade babies over Haruhi since Kyon is always the one who has to deliver advice. She doesn't listen to Mikuru, Yuki doesn't do anything and Koizumi keeps his role as yes-man, so Haruhi doesn't have a chance to learn on her own. In fact, this makes me wonder what things would be like if Tsuruya were apart of the Brigade, because it feels like she's the closest one on Haruhi's wavelength that she could consider a real friend. |
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2009-08-30, 18:41 | Link #76 |
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He saw the guy for only one day. It was dark enough to hide his face, and is really hard remember, for sure, anything after 3 years. And mor time she spend with Kyon, less likely is to relate he to John, as she get used to his voice/face as his, not someone else. Also, she did reconised Kyon to a degree. "Have we met before?". She did give a good look to him this time probably reconizing his face as similar to John's.
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Moving on... I don't know too many teenagers (around 16) who are that focused. It usually isn't until college that most young adults get some idea of that special something that they want in life... and even then, many still don't find exactly what "that" is and just settle for whatever gets them by in life. Haruhi doesn't need to settle for anything... she has a mountain of things to try (which she'll succeed at mind you...) and no time to worry. |
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I think I see your point; your point being that if Haruhi simply met other people where they already are and shared time with them at their past times, then she'd be quite popular and have loads of friends. Yes, with her combination of athleticism, attractive appearance, energy, intelligence, personal charisma, and sheer talent, she definitely would. At some level, I can understand a person looking at Haruhi, with all the strengths to her character that collectively most people would dream to have, and doing a Kyon facepalm over 'Why doesn't she just take advantage of these personal strengths more?' On the other hand, though, I just find it hard to hold a person's choice of interests against him or her. In a fitting sort of way, simply being an anime fan makes it easier for me to relate to Haruhi. My interests aren't terribly common for people my age who live where I do either, and this can make it harder for me to socialize with other people in the real world too.
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And with the experiences of the SOS Brigade she shares in, she gradually loses those loner tendencies (we hope!). |
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