To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - Genesis Testament Volume 2 Discussion / Poll

[Endscape]

Regarding Anna, here's my theory.

She's the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene (or maybe the Virgin Mary).

2000 years ago, she watched Jesus work himself to the bone and even sacrifice his life to save people, which is why she hates the idea of Touma or anyone running around saving people.

When she reincarnated as Anna, she joined the Rosicrucians and mastered magic so she could teach it to other people and they could save themselves with it, so that one person wouldn't have to take up the burden.

That's why she allowed Westcott to use the Rosicrucian name to start the Golden Dawn even if it was against the cabal's rules, because she knew that someone from there would create modern Western magic and the work kit to spread magic even further.

But in the end, all the people she taught didn't learn what she was teaching them properly and only ended up using her name for their prestige, and the Golden cabal ended up breaking apart before completing their goal, so Anna lost faith in people understanding her.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by shmaster

Looking at Aihana's power again...
Who thinks that Indian Poker is based off that?

Wait... Didn't Aogami said he doesn't need Indian Poker too?

Huh... interesting... That's very interesting actually.

[alex_drian]

Something I'm really curious is what is the deal with Aiwass. For one his appearance in the battlefield saved Mikoto and Misaki of what appeared to be certain death. The change is his appearance (btw, birdman Aiwass looks cooler to me) and the fact that he was uncomfortably silent the whole book. The dude is usually a chatterbox.

Another observation is that this volume confirms that Touma is a esper, whatever level actually is, because he actually suffer the effects of magic use. Actually we didn't where sure with the memory lost and that that Touma actually received whatever training or medication as the rest of the espers. So the question is if Touma is effectively a Lv 0 or how much of the strange stuff that he pull somethings are his true esper powers that are negated 24/7 by Imagine Breaker.

[Tenzen12]

He also covered for Alister. All things considered, he seem to obliged to work for Anna but feel close to none loyality in doing so.

My guess, he really taken liking his former pal

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by alex_drian

Something I'm really curious is what is the deal with Aiwass. For one his appearance in the battlefield saved Mikoto and Misaki of what appeared to be certain death. The change is his appearance (btw, birdman Aiwass looks cooler to me) and the fact that he was uncomfortably silent the whole book. The dude is usually a chatterbox.

I am taking this as a sign that he is preparing to make Anna getting trolled, much like Alister.

[Kuroageha]

^
I feel like Aiwass has found a more entertaining master and wanted to get free of Anna asap.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by alex_drian

Something I'm really curious is what is the deal with Aiwass. For one his appearance in the battlefield saved Mikoto and Misaki of what appeared to be certain death. The change is his appearance (btw, birdman Aiwass looks cooler to me) and the fact that he was uncomfortably silent the whole book. The dude is usually a chatterbox.

Another observation is that this volume confirms that Touma is a esper, whatever level actually is, because he actually suffer the effects of magic use. Actually we didn't where sure with the memory lost and that that Touma actually received whatever training or medication as the rest of the espers. So the question is if Touma is effectively a Lv 0 or how much of the strange stuff that he pull somethings are his true esper powers that are negated 24/7 by Imagine Breaker.

Nope, those side effects happen to anyone that has gone through the curriculum, even level zeros with no potential powers at all. All that we know is that Touma has gone through the curriculum, not that he is an esper, although if we were to take this volume at face value, it does hint that Touma's essence is definitely of the science side, because if he was of the magic side or had magical potential, St. Germain would have definitely noticed and comment on it.

[Kuroageha]

Very short SS

Spoiler for 1 page:

Genesis Testament – A Certain Magical Index: I Still Want to Do a Summer Fair

“Summer,” said Index, a girl in a white nun’s habit.
No, scratch that description. She was a girl in a (wet and shiny) white school swimsuit made from synthetic fibers!
“The blue ocean, the oppressively bright sun, and the scorching hot sand. Ohhh, we just have to do some watermelon splitting, Touma!”
“I get wanting to eat watermelon and I very much appreciate the swimsuit, but you can’t just force this to happen!! It’s December in the middle of winter break and we were just doing a Christmas story!! I mean, those fancy girls look like they have presents! It took us around 50 volumes to get here, but you expect me to believe we just skipped straight to midsummer!?”
“Touma.”
“?”
“Who said this was Japan’s summer break?”
“Huh? So the displacement was spatial, not temporal!? Are you saying I was dragged to the Southern Hemisphere at some point!?”
“Heh heh heh. Are you sure that’s the only possibility?”
“Wait, it’s even further than that? Like outside the solar system!? Are we introducing terraforming to the worldbuilding now!?”
“Maybe, maybe not.”
“Hold on. Could I actually be in a secret District 24 located deep below Academy City? Are there even any clues around here? Where the hell am I!?”

[alex_drian]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Nope, those side effects happen to anyone that has gone through the curriculum, even level zeros with no potential powers at all. All that we know is that Touma has gone through the curriculum, not that he is an esper, although if we were to take this volume at face value, it does hint that Touma's essence is definitely of the science side, because if he was of the magic side or had magical potential, St. Germain would have definitely noticed and comment on it.

Errrm, a Lv 0 are espers and actually have powers even only they are so so minuscule that can't affect the world.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Nope, those side effects happen to anyone that has gone through the curriculum, even level zeros with no potential powers at all. All that we know is that Touma has gone through the curriculum, not that he is an esper, although if we were to take this volume at face value, it does hint that Touma's essence is definitely of the science side, because if he was of the magic side or had magical potential, St. Germain would have definitely noticed and comment on it.

Lvl 0s are still considered espers IIRC. At the very least, they are no longer standard humans

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Nope, those side effects happen to anyone that has gone through the curriculum, even level zeros with no potential powers at all. All that we know is that Touma has gone through the curriculum, not that he is an esper, although if we were to take this volume at face value, it does hint that Touma's essence is definitely of the science side, because if he was of the magic side or had magical potential, St. Germain would have definitely noticed and comment on it.

Wasn't Touma confirmed to be an esper after the Rensa thing? Plus, since Aleister deliberately created Academy City after predicting that Touma would possess Imagine Breaker, whatever esper power he has is not exactly the same as IB.

[Tenzen12]

Yes, Touma is esper... and his level is ZERO. Ie he is esper without any power whatsoever.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Yes, Touma is esper... and his level is ZERO. Ie he is esper without any power whatsoever.

That just isn't true, as the incident with Rensa demonstrated. The Kimi incident proved that Level 0's aren't necessarily powerless.

[Tenzen12]

Of course they aren't necessarily powerless. Some might have God eating dragons in their body sealed by universe savepoint

[Kuroageha]

The director and Seria concluded Touma is level 0 but not an actual esper.

[Twi]

Hmm... I actually liked this volume. It had the Magic and Science sides both working together to try and deal with the threat from Anna by cooperating on a microscale: Two of the strongest Espers try to hold the line against Anna, Two of the most knowledgeable Magicians use their knowledge to help the victims, and Touma/St. Germain working together to punch her in the face.

Mind you, the Espers couldn't do jack all against Anna because power-scaling in this series leans heavily on the magic side and that's Touma's job.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Twi

Mind you, the Espers couldn't do jack all against Anna because power-scaling in this series leans heavily on the magic side and that's Touma's job.

It's not just a matter of power. MisaMisa lost so badly because they didn't know anything about magic and couldn't come up with counter-measures.

[Twi]

Originally Posted by Endscape

It's not just a matter of power. MisaMisa lost so badly because they didn't know anything about magic and couldn't come up with counter-measures.

MisaMisa... catchy.

I know they weren't around when Birdway was lecturing the others in New Testament 2, but didn't Misaka start fighting against Magic Gods after the High Priest called her out on being weak. I thought that might have been when Misaka would have learned something, but I overlooked a lot of things after Volume 11. If Othinius had gone with them they might have stood a chance then since she's similar to Index as a portable reference point.

[stray]

Mikoto asked a lot of questions when she paired up with Birdway in Hawaii and against Othinus but like Accelerator she probably won't 'get it' until she has to try manipulating magic herself. And its a numbering reset too so like NT2 it needed an excuse to go over some of the basics again.

Speaking of resets I was a bit concerned for MisaMisa but thankfully the bee doesn't seem like she's going anywhere.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Twi

MisaMisa... catchy.

I know they weren't around when Birdway was lecturing the others in New Testament 2, but didn't Misaka start fighting against Magic Gods after the High Priest called her out on being weak. I thought that might have been when Misaka would have learned something, but I overlooked a lot of things after Volume 11. If Othinius had gone with them they might have stood a chance then since she's similar to Index as a portable reference point.

Pretty sure Misaka has never fought any magic gods aside from High Priest. She has been steadily ignoring magic every time she sees it, so even when hears some disjointed explanation when she's around it, it never really stuck.