2008-12-15, 20:35 | Link #1341 |
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The thing about Kenichi having no talent, is merely pointing to the fact that he's no "natural" in the world of martial arts. He's not intuitive enough to grasp lessons right away (actually maybe he does pick up things pretty fast...) and he wasn't born with a gifted physique either. He's just average.
But this is where, once again, the idea of hard work vs. talent comes in of which Kenichi exemplifies the former (especially with masters like his). Knowing that, it makes even more sense why the manga is named "History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi", emphasizing his status as the greatest martial arts student in history. |
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I was also thinking to myself that Kensei is something of a bastard and seems to have recieved no reprimand at all for his behaviour. Leaving a school is fine because it probably got so big he couldn't close it without creating bigger waves than he'd like but leaving his family. When Renka was introduced he didn't even seem to recognise her which suggests he left quite a while ago. It'd be fine if left when his kids were all considered adults at least in the legal sense but seeing as Renka hasa younger brother as well he just left them at the time when he should have been around. A lot of people are calling Dragon a jerk for leaving his kids but at least he had a better reason than Kensei. I hope Renka tells her mother about Ryozanpaku and she comes and drags Kensei kicking and screaming back to China so that when he leaves this time at least he'll have their blessing.
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2008-12-16, 11:55 | Link #1343 |
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Sounds like the voice of experience. much family issues in your past? Its a manga.. it doesn't have to have a serious reason. Maybe he just got tired of his wife nagging all the time. Maybe he felt he did not have enough worth disciples. Maybe he just wanted to take pictures of Shigure. Who knows? What is obvious and what is true are often not the same.
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2008-12-16, 13:25 | Link #1344 |
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It's simply the fact that abandoning his family is just passed over like it's nothing important. Shigure whose father set out to be the worst father ever should be particularly miffed at Kensei's treatment of his family. I don't mind him leaving but I do mind him leaving when his kids were so young. I know Kenichi isn't a serious manga but the fact that Renka went through all this trouble to retrieve Kensei suggests that they really miss/need him. I'd prefer it if he had some deeper reason that he didn't tell his family like he left to protect them as his reputation was resulting in too many attacks on them and his school.
As for experience my family life is about as close to the average as anybody elses no abandonment issues or anything.
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2008-12-16, 17:33 | Link #1346 |
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Did I say they can't fend for themselves? They've been left in charge of seemingly the biggest martial arts school in China, money isn't something I reckon they'll ever lack. I'm talking about their emotional needs. Can kids get by with one parent certainly they can and they can come out perfectly alright if not better for it but this doesn't make the absentee parent any less of a deadbeat mom/dad. The fact Renka came to Japan shows how much they require his presence not as a provider but as a parent.
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And imo a man should live how he wants to live anyway. We hardly know anything about Kensei's family circumstances. And imo Kensei is at Ryozonpaku to fight Yomi which makes him a noble warrior of justice! Don't be so fast to judge since we still haven't had a story of how he winded up at Ryozonpaku. Tbh both their reasons seem similar, to fight the big bad of their world. Dragon => WG, Kensei => Yomi. But in both cases we have hardly any details.
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2008-12-17, 02:46 | Link #1349 |
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Well, we have to wait a week before the Takeda/Kenichi sparing commences. I do hope that the manga gives a positive portrail to boxing as Takeda now has both arms to use this time round. If Takeda is made to have improved immensely, then I think he would be ablt to hold his own against one of YOMI. As for the rest of the Shinpaku alliance, I hope that in the upcoming chapters that the others are given time to improve before the inevitable battle. Speaking of the YOMI fights, does anyone want to guess who will get pair up to fight with. The Rachel/Renka match is pretty much a lock due to the fan service that can be milked from that fight, and the Kenichi/Tirwat rematch is probably going to happen soon. I am just wondering if Tanimoto is going to be given a person from YOMI to fight with.
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And if Kensei's uncle is a father figure replacement for Renka then honostly imo the mangaka isn't showing it very well. I never saw a slight hint of her craving for a father figure, the only thing I see her craving for is Kenichi. And I do remember the scene where the uncle obliterated the maffia cause he missed Renka but that's from the uncle's side. At least that's the impression I have on Renka. Quote:
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2008-12-17, 16:19 | Link #1354 |
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All of this is just speculation until it comes out in a manga chapter. There is no reason to let it get to the level of a heated discussion. I also think it asinine to compare kensei to a character from one piece (I can't stand that one, the art is too childish and the plot too simple).
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2008-12-17, 16:29 | Link #1355 | |
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And for someone who's advising to have people stay calm you're awfully provocative bye putting such ignorant and offensive comments down of One Piece. I'm not even going to bother defending OP & comparing it to Kenichi.
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2008-12-17, 18:12 | Link #1356 |
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Ok, I REALLY want to answer this but it may not come out so nice, so I'll just say...visit the One Piece manga discussion thread...and you'll see that the plot is not as simple as you think. OP plot is way more complex than you think.
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My point isn't that they're not at war my point is that the war was more like a cold war until Ryozanpaku took on a disciple. So before the escalation in affairs is there any real reason why Kensei would have to leave his family in order to battle Yami. Finally it's not like he lacks enemies back home.
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