2012-10-05, 15:54 | Link #1081 | |
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Jack Welch accuses Obama of cooking jobs numbers
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2012-10-05, 16:00 | Link #1083 |
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Well, Jack Welch, the numbers were "cooked" between 2000-2008 as well (and before that). They just don't reflect what is going on in the economy or job market. They don't reflect underemployment, they don't reflect people who have given up in despair, they don't reflect seasonal/temp/contract work. Where were you then, *Jack*?
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2012-10-05, 16:00 | Link #1084 |
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Better? If creating the misconception that the unemployment rate is falling more then it actually is among the people of the country is better then yeah I guess, hint hint.
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2012-10-05, 16:05 | Link #1085 | |
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The scientific method is WHAT CONSCIOUS BEINGS DO when they're creating a model of reality in their head. Collect Data -> Form Hypothesis, Create Model-> Collect more data->modify model. If model can't explain data with modification, toss model out, new model. Creatures that don't do that don't tend to do well. If data is discarded because it doesn't fit what an ancient text says, it is not going to go well. Even the Dalai Lama gets that.
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2012-10-05, 16:11 | Link #1087 | |
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O.o You're using the word "science" in a way that doesn't make sense:
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2012-10-05, 16:15 | Link #1088 |
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Hmm science is defined as "all the knowledge caracterized in one field and gained with a proper methodology, based on an objective view".
Honestly there's countless definition, we are more going on semantic than something else, if we look only of fact, it's only thanks to science that humanity advanced and progressed. Religions had its share, true, but they often kept people ignorants. But Vexx, imho you are too anti clerical, religion itself isn't evil, it's needed for human, humankind need an answer to "what happens after life" and it's something science won't ever answer. The problem is how people take too strictly what was written, and on this point we have those same extremist people on the science side. |
2012-10-05, 16:16 | Link #1089 | |
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I personally apply the scientific method to not just science, but everything else in my life. This is why I am no longer an atheist, yet reject all modern religions; using the scientific method, it is unwise to reject the possibility of higher dimensions. However, it is entirely outrageous to claim that the possible existence of deity(s) have any relevance to the idea of worship. Seriously. I do not know where "worship" came from, or where it is based on. It is entirely irrelevant in theological debates. I would really like to know what is the justification of worshipping. Other than "the deity said so".
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2012-10-05, 16:17 | Link #1090 |
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The point is that while the scientific method might be more "objective" in arriving at a conclusion, the end result (science) is still subject to the limitations of humans, both in the context of understanding the results of the scientific method and in formulating the methods that arrived at the conclusion.
Essentially, science is as flawed as humans are, despite the scientific method somewhat covering the deficiencies. While there might be progress towards a better understanding of reality, that understanding of reality in itself is questionable because humans are limited. The main problem I'm seeing with those who bring up science as some perfect alternative to religion is the seemingly "fundamentalist" (for lack of a better word) belief in science, a system that is as flawed as humans. Vallen Chaos Valiant brought up a good word I was looking for: worship. I do not believe science to be something to be worshipped, just as I do not believe in worshipping religions. As long as humans are fundamentally flawed, nothing should be worshipped. |
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2012-10-05, 16:26 | Link #1092 | |
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What made the scientific method superior to religion, isn't that it has less flaws; it's that the scientific method doesn't pretend it doesn't have any flaws. The Scientific Method exists solely to change. To alter the interpretation in light of new data. When necessary, the scientific method can and would morph to fit new realities. Religion claim to have all the answers. The Scientific Method is simply the promise that we would never stop looking for better answers. This is not about being right or being wrong; it is about being able to known when you are wrong. And Religion is inherently incapable of admitting error, because the rules are not suppose to change.
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2012-10-05, 16:27 | Link #1093 | |
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And @Zakoo, yeah, if I understand what "anti-clerical" means, yes I take a really dim view of large-scale institutionalization of religion. It is a magnet for powermongers who abuse spirituality to dictate and hold power. Eternal damnation for not doing what they say is a powerful tool with the fearful. I completely understand the origins of religous thought and if it had stayed "by the campfire" (localized), it certainly soothes the night fears of the darkness. When some guy says "stone that lady or the night things will come" and he gets to loot the corpse as well as pass the plate... we gots a problem
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2012-10-05, 16:29 | Link #1094 |
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Yes yes, I live fine with the idea that I'm only made of N, C, O and that once I die I will return to nothingness and those thing will be used to create ants, but your and mine case, aren't the case of the majority of human.
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Well, the basic premise of my thought is that the scientific method IS the superior way of THINKING, but that does not mean the main end result (science) is necessarily superior. Essentially, one would need to understand that the method is not necessarily the system. |
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2012-10-05, 16:40 | Link #1097 |
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That's how the jobless rate has always been calculated though, which means yes the jobless rate has fallen. I mean there's no reason to complain about this specific report since you might as well complain about all of them then.
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2012-10-05, 16:40 | Link #1098 |
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I have been waiting for someone to say this. Unfortunately in this world, people wanting to be recognised wanted to be different, so they decided to take some unique, far-off and extreme opinion. Either on the side of extreme side of atheism or religion, then branding others to be improperly moralised.
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2012-10-05, 16:43 | Link #1099 | |
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2012-10-05, 16:43 | Link #1100 | |
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Pretty sure you're using the wrong analogy. A better analogy would be: It is difficult to say that a mechanical clock is necessarily superior to a sundial. |
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