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ganbaru · 2012-03-04, 06:50

Haitian military on comeback trail
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...82011F20120301

As if they really need a army...

Tom Bombadil · 2012-03-04, 07:01

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Besides it is no secret to how China manages that rate of manufacture despite adopting the same technical principles of assembly lines and capitalism from US - underwaged labour, combined with the valuation of the yuan. Easy for the workers to buy domestic products, but hard for them to buy imports. In fact, that is economically unsustainable with the rich-poor divide widening alongside inflation as the rich consume more combined with middle-class consumption, drive up prices at the expense of the poor - soon the poor can't afford and the middle class would be struggling to do the same.

Oh, well. So now we are on the economy front. Simple math problem, if the Chinese average income is half of that of the US, what will be the size of the Chinese economy compared to the US? What will be the resource demand then comparing to now?

Somehow we should be able to time warp direct from the current stage of economy development to an affluent stage. Where are those high paying jobs come from? Let me remind you that China has no big international corporations like Intel, IBM, Windows, apple, google, toyota, Samsung yet.

SaintessHeart · 2012-03-04, 07:05

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Originally Posted by ganbaru

Haitian military on comeback trail
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...82011F20120301

As if they really need a army...

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"It will not be an army that goes and fights. The goal is to have a force that can replace the U.N. and be prepared to handle natural disasters and other emergencies," he said, highlighting the need for specialized border and maritime units, an elite rapid reaction team, and an engineering corps. "We have to take our own destiny in our hands. We can't always be holding hands and asking for help from others."

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"We do not have any problem with the authorities and the police. We do not intend to attack anybody. But if the police decide to attack us, we will provide a response and they will be responsible for any damage that would follow," Dorme said. "I hope they remember what happened in 2004. I hope they will think twice before doing anything like that."

Hypocrisy much? However, the real problem lies here :

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.......some 6,000 ex-soldiers and jobless young men........

I think a regular police force should have been enough, along with slight paramilitary elements to take charge of EOD operations, including that to blow away debris.

If they want to fight, I guess U.N has no choice but to kill them all. Down to the last of the 6,000. We don't need another FARC or North African militant group drawing mercenaries into that area.

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Oh, well. So now we are on the economy front. Simple math problem, if the Chinese average income is half of that of the US, what will be the size of the Chinese economy compared to the US? What will be the resource demand then comparing to now?

Somehow we should be able to time warp direct from the current stage of economy development to an affluent stage. Where are those high paying jobs come from? Let me remind you that China has no big international corporations like Intel, IBM, Windows, apple, google, toyota, Samsung yet.

Remember, all monetary global statistics are calculated according to the USD. The average Chinese income could be half of that in the US, but that is only today and couldn't count much for domestic consumption. Though the low-income jobs can't hold for long, soon China would be exporting them overseas, then raising pay in order to bring the skilled labour back.

Unfortunately, it IS economic warfare right now that could balloon into an economic Cold War. China is attempting to break into the US market through acquisitions via "private firms" (I don't really believe in "Chinese private firms", the government has interests in them one way or another) - Yahoo is the first big step. What US has is the cutting edge technology, combined with gigantic China's manufacturing infrastructure, could have made China the biggest economy for at least two centuries. Many countries are attempting to stop "China from buying out the world" by instituting political ownership, a step towards de-privatisation and nationalisation - which could hurt market liquidity.

All wars are won by the biggest factories - those international corporations started out by building on their soil, then exporting the lower-end jobs to save cost. Right now the biggest factories are in China, so who will win the economic war in the future? One day it would become that China owns those Big Corporations on their soils and your children would be complaining that their jobs are going to US - or maybe with the size of China, it might not be as bad because there is always another Chinese rural village to exploit. *sarcastic*

Zakoo · 2012-03-04, 07:21

And so UK governements decided to privatize police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...ty-firms-crime

It begins. Next should be justice, tax, army.

MrTerrorist · 2012-03-04, 08:19

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Originally Posted by Zakoo

And so UK governements decided to privatize police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...ty-firms-crime

It begins. Next should be justice, tax, army.

Actually, they're not giving police duties to security companies. They giving old unsolved cases to the companies to solve to lift the load for the police.

Irenicus · 2012-03-04, 10:53

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Originally Posted by Zakoo

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...ty-firms-crime

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The breathtaking list of policing activities up for grabs includes investigating crimes, detaining suspects, developing cases, responding to and investigating incidents, supporting victims and witnesses, managing high-risk individuals, patrolling neighbourhoods, managing intelligence, managing engagement with the public, as well as more traditional back-office functions, such as managing forensics, providing legal services, managing the vehicle fleet, finance and human resources.

Holy shit.

SaintessHeart · 2012-03-04, 10:55

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Holy shit.

For once, the Brits beat you Yanks to privatisation of the public sector.

Haak · 2012-03-04, 11:01

Wow. And at a time when the Leverson Inquiry is still looking into inappropriate links between the media and police...

Xellos-_^ · 2012-03-04, 11:28

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Originally Posted by Zakoo

And so UK governements decided to privatize police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...ty-firms-crime

It begins. Next should be justice, tax, army.

So the call has went out to Baker Street

sa547 · 2012-03-04, 11:59

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Originally Posted by Zakoo

And so UK governements decided to privatize police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...ty-firms-crime

It begins. Next should be justice, tax, army.

Makes me think of the Detroit police force in Robocop, which became at first owned privately by the OCP.

Sugetsu · 2012-03-04, 13:26

When the public sector is privatized is when we will finally see the final decay of humanity. The need to make a profit will overrule the need to care for society's problems.

konart · 2012-03-04, 13:51

Aaaaand here we go. For another 6 years.

Vexx · 2012-03-04, 13:54

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Originally Posted by konart

Aaaaand here we go. For another 6 years.

Good grief, all he lacks is a couple of women draped around his feet.... maybe that's just out of the shot

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Originally Posted by Zakoo

And so UK governements decided to privatize police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...ty-firms-crime

It begins. Next should be justice, tax, army.

The US has *tried* (uses) for-profit prisons --- they lead directly to corruption and over-incarceration. We just finished the sentencing of a judge who was getting kickbacks for incarcerating juveniles in a for-profit detention system. Many of them were for reasons that in no way justified detention (like one student who was imprisoned for 3 months for insulting a school official on a website).

solomon · 2012-03-04, 15:14

Dude I am TELLING you Putin would be the most EPIC James Bond villian! He ALWAYS gives off that vibe in these awesome photos!

Anyways, the Middle Class/Liberals need to unify and actually show that they have a viable candidate.

A certain amount of youth, and a high amount of workers still either LIKE Putin or resign to the fact that there is no one strong enough to take Russia in a different direction while generally maintaining stablility.

I'm still trying to find out actual demographic breakdowns of who is for Putin and who is not. Western Media is kinda lazy in that aspect. I'd suppose a certain amount of Moscow and St. Petersburg, along with a considerable proportion of the urban areas East of the Ural mountains are still for him. I hear towards the west, support on the ground drops considerably. In Vladovostok, there is considerable appeal towards the Communists apparently.

Ithekro · 2012-03-04, 15:19

Well he was KGB, thus would have been a Bond villian at one point or another.

Anh_Minh · 2012-03-04, 15:38

A rather literal take on "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

konart · 2012-03-04, 16:16

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Putin's main "power" is north caucasus(94% for him), budget workers(police, army, hospitals etc.) - even if they are agains Putin, they have not much of a choice, some part of the elder generation(mostly those who lost their faith in communist party and Zyuganov particularly and those who see Putin as a strong leader with KGBish past etc.) and brainwashed(not all of them of course) youth from "Nashi" organisation.

Putin has only about of 24% votes in Moscow and St. Petersburg* - propaganda has less effect in large cities(thanks, internet).

* - based on internet polls and so on. The real numbers are high, but still - he's loosing it here.

GundamFan0083 · 2012-03-04, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Sugetsu

When the public sector is privatized is when we will finally see the final decay of humanity. The need to make a profit will overrule the need to care for society's problems.

Don't you find it odd that what is supposed to be private is becoming public (like marriage, food diet, choice of religion, child rearing, etc), and what is supposed to be public is becoming private (police, fire, banking, etc)?

solomon · 2012-03-04, 16:57

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Putin's main "power" is north caucasus(94% for him), budget workers(police, army, hospitals etc.) - even if they are agains Putin, they have not much of a choice, some part of the elder generation(mostly those who lost their faith in communist party and Zyuganov particularly and those who see Putin as a strong leader with KGBish past etc.) and brainwashed(not all of them of course) youth from "Nashi" organisation.

Putin has only about of 24% votes in Moscow and St. Petersburg* - propaganda has less effect in large cities(thanks, internet).

* - based on internet polls and so on. The real numbers are high, but still - he's loosing it here.

Nice breakdown man, thanks.

Oh I meant to say, considerable portion of people WEST of the Ural Mountains in urban areas, silly me.

You really think that some of the Nashi kids are out and out "brainwashed"?

ganbaru · 2012-03-04, 17:00

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Dude I am TELLING you Putin would be the most EPIC James Bond villian! He ALWAYS gives off that vibe in these awesome photos!

Epic and probably last.
He isn't the kind of guy than would try to kill Bond in a original but escapable way, he would just shoot him inn the head, twice.

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