2012-05-18, 19:11 | Link #1 |
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Kucinich: NDAA Authorizes War Against Iran
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News Article Personally I'm horrified at this prospect of war all over the place. Arturia, Ex Niker
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2012-05-18, 19:21 | Link #2 |
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Here's another article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-de...b_1524474.html Yes. The War Mongering in this United States. Very disturbing. Unlike Iraq and Afganistan. Iran isn't a push-over. And while the two previous wars (with Afganistan still on-going)... while those two previous wars lasted nearing a decade... a fight with Iran alone may take longer. AND It'll freakin' cost the US a hell-of-a-lot of money. By which, the US cannot afford another war. Quite frankly. I don't know what these idiots in Congress are thinking.
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2012-05-18, 19:31 | Link #3 |
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I'm thinking, and hopefully I'm wrong...
Remember the great depression? The whole world economy was stagnated, particularly the one in the states... WW2 really allowed the economy to change gears and proceed to get out of the great depression in the '30s... I just hope for the sake of humanity that it's not somehow being manipulated into a war. Arturia
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2012-05-18, 20:08 | Link #4 |
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The only reason WWII made the USA changed from industrilized nation to world superpower was because the other "winning" countries of said war paid thru their noses for the help the USA provided in defeating the axis. From that point onwards all wars have drained money from the usa (and placed in in the hands of weapon making corporations).
Now, remember the USSR? Reagen defeated them without shooting a single bullet, the war in afganistan drained them economically to the point of collapse, many republics broke free from imperialistic soviet rule. Guess what is happening now? First afganistan, then iraq and now iran, the USA is bleeding money at an alarming rate and it will have the very same consequences, you will soon start hearing governors from rich states talking about breaking away if washington does not stop expending money in ridiculous wars and there will be a moment when the army will be so depleted that they will actually do so without fear of another civil war. |
2012-05-18, 20:22 | Link #5 |
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Reagan didn't do squat about the Soviets, other than outspend them. The spending actually did put pressure on the Soviet economy to keep up with the US; but the Soviet Union was rotting on the inside anyways, and the Soviet system was not sustainable not much longer after Reagan anyways.
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2012-05-19, 01:18 | Link #9 |
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Come back when the US is borrowing money from its enemies to buy food, because its agricultural policy has lead to an inability to feed the population. That's what doomed the USSR. As long as the system can put food on the table, the system will continue unless a better one comes along. When the system cannot put food ont he table, then the system will collapse.
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2012-05-19, 08:52 | Link #11 | |
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Edit: Regardless, this is all completely off topic. I'll now return you to your regularly scheduled fear mongering.
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2012-05-19, 09:08 | Link #12 |
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^ You seem to think all of the federal goverment debt is internal, when the ugly truth is that you also owe banks from other countries and the federal reserve does not set their interest rates.
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2012-05-19, 09:43 | Link #15 | |
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That doesn't mean a war against Iran is a good idea, however. There's still the cost in lives and in reputation. Further, Iran can shut down the strait of Hormuz long enough to have a major impact on the world's oil supply, and that will hurt the US economy. However, if we just focus on US debt, war spending it won't break the US, especially if the republicans get a clue and vote for a war tax.
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2012-05-19, 10:01 | Link #17 |
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Let's remember that the States is one of the most powerful industrial workhorses of the world. If THEY can't pay off their debts, no one can, and THAT isn't nice for the rest of the world.
In the most extreme scenarios, the debt will simply have to be re-negotiated, and that is if the situation gets out of hand and they lose the war somehow. Let's remember that bonds kind of represent the "trust" the buyers have on the ability of the States to pay off their debts, and honestly, they DO manage big numbers. Arturia
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2012-05-19, 14:03 | Link #18 |
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Breaking:
WASHINGTON (JTA) -- The U.S. House of Representatives explicitly stated that tough measures it recommended for Iran in a major defense bill did not authorize war.
"Nothing in this Act shall be construed as authorizing the use of force against Iran," said an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, the bill that directs defense spending, passed in the House on Friday. The act includes substantive references to Iran, among them a "declaration of policy" that the United States shall "take all necessary measures, including military action if required, to prevent Iran from threatening the United States, its allies, or Iran's neighbors with a nuclear weapon." It also authorizes combat assessments of Iran's forces and sufficient forces in the Persian Gulf to face Iran. A number of dovish groups, including several within the pro-Israel community, have been lobbying lawmakers to include explicit denials in various legislation that such proposals authorize war. The amendment counting out a war authorization was initiated by Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), Ron Paul (R-Texas) and Walter Jones. (R-N.C.). Americans for Peace Now and J Street praised the amendment's inclusion. "Having urged Congress since the inception of these Iran-related motions to clarify that they are not aimed at authorizing the use of force against Iran, we welcome the adoption of this amendment, as well as other important verbal statements," Ori Nir, APN's spokesman, told JTA. Dylan Williams, J Street’s director of government affairs, said the amendment "slams the brakes on those in Congress who would drive the United States toward a third war in the Middle East." |
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Keeping people "occupied" (heh the irony) with other thing than real problems Supporting armsmerchants and defenscontractors so they will support election candidates and see a raise in stocks
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2012-05-19, 15:30 | Link #20 |
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I'm opposed to the idea of war with Iran, especially if they indeed DON'T have nuclear weapon or weapons program. Plus, if we go to war with them...won't they just be more likely to build one?
Hey, guys. Cold War is over. "Containment" died with the fall of the Soviet Union. Let's worry when they actually start something. However, I must say that website, and the comments on that article, wins for the most opinionated I've ever read.
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