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Old 2018-07-08, 15:19   Link #41
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They have to relax about this hard work vs talent bullshit. It's not like Ayano didn't put any work to get that good. It's unfair to say it's just talent. Just as unfair to say Nagisa's smash is just a product of her height. It required a lot of training, and the same goes for Ayano.

It's such a shame. The animation is good but the writing is all sort of cringe worthy. I'll give it one more episode but I'm gonna drop it if they keep this up.
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Old 2018-07-08, 15:28   Link #42
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This series has some awesome visual quality even in the ED theme song

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Old 2018-07-08, 15:43   Link #43
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so the anime and manga are completely different?
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Old 2018-07-08, 15:52   Link #44
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so the anime and manga are completely different?
Yeah. The manga isn't as dramatic at first, and it actually has the focus on the protagonist (Ayano). They changed everything. They put the focus on Nagisa, created a totally anime-original conflict for her (the hard work vs talent thing) and barely touched on Ayano. The reason Ayano joined the team is different too and much more developed in the manga. In the anime they just bullied her into joining.

I guess the anime producers are Nagisa fanboys or something. I don't know, but I'm not happy about these changes even though I'm not a purist that needs adaptation to be 100% faithful or anything. It's just some of the changes here screwed up Ayano's character. And I heard they also changed stuff about Connie, and not in a good way. Like they made her more bitchy or something. Connie was my favorite character in the manga so I'm not happy about this if true.
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Old 2018-07-08, 17:17   Link #45
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Well it's nice to see that the Coach will be good for more than just comic relief.

While Elena might know what's going on with Ayano and have a reason for pushing her, she's still coming off as pretty insensitive towards her friend.
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Old 2018-07-08, 18:13   Link #46
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Well finally nagisa stick in her a.. is gone. Romance bait or teasing between her and the teacher and yu with the curly haired guy.

let's see if I can predict ayano story for what I see in this chapter, she started to play because of her mother and got the talent, she lost against the pink haired girl, the mother is disappointed and "abandon" her and replace her with the blonde girl in the photo at the beginning, last match was against nagisa in hope of her mother be there to see her, she didn't come then ayano stopped playing.

maybe too cliche?
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Old 2018-07-08, 19:14   Link #47
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Yeah. The manga isn't as dramatic at first, and it actually has the focus on the protagonist (Ayano). They changed everything. They put the focus on Nagisa, created a totally anime-original conflict for her (the hard work vs talent thing) and barely touched on Ayano. The reason Ayano joined the team is different too and much more developed in the manga. In the anime they just bullied her into joining.

I guess the anime producers are Nagisa fanboys or something. I don't know, but I'm not happy about these changes even though I'm not a purist that needs adaptation to be 100% faithful or anything. It's just some of the changes here screwed up Ayano's character. And I heard they also changed stuff about Connie, and not in a good way. Like they made her more bitchy or something. Connie was my favorite character in the manga so I'm not happy about this if true.
I don't know exactly what her beef is with her mom, but the anime presented her grief and trauma much better than the manga did. In the manga, when presented with the prospect of playing badminton again, Ayano reacted with an airheaded, childish refusal. You'd be hard pressed to deduce that she had some childhood trauma. Whereas the anime portrays her as gloomy and depressed. Cranking up the drama was an excellent choice.

While this episode neatly resolves Nagisa's hangups, it's left Ayano hanging, which hurts it a little. I can't see how they could've done this any other way as it looks like Ayano's past is going to take most of the show and it'll be Nagisa's job to help her.
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Old 2018-07-08, 19:43   Link #48
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While this episode neatly resolves Nagisa's hangups.
The problem is they made a bigger deal out of it than it was supposed to be. It's mostly anime-original content. They put her at the center and totally sidelined Ayano in the process. Ask people who didn't read the manga who's the main character and they would say it's Nagisa and I can't blame them for thinking that way because that's how the anime arranged things.

I know they'll cover Ayano's backstory at some point, but it won't change the fact they made Nagisa the central character.

I also don't agree this melodramatic tone was necessary. I'm not a fan of the comedy ton of the early manga chapters, but the anime went to the other extreme which is equally bad if not worse. They didn't fix anything, and in changing a lot of material they actually broke a lot of things.
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Old 2018-07-08, 22:41   Link #49
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The problem is they made a bigger deal out of it than it was supposed to. It was mostly anime-original content. They put her at the center and totally sidelined Ayano in the process. Ask people who didn't read the manga who's the main character and they would say it's Nagisa and I can't blame them for thinking that way because that's how the anime arranged things.

I know they'll cover Ayano's backstory at some point, but it won't change the fact they made Nagisa the central character.

I also don't agree this melodramatic tone was necessary. I'm not a fan of the comedy ton of the early manga chapters, but the anime went to the other extreme which is equally bad if not worse. They didn't fix anything, and in changing a lot of material they actually broke a lot of things.
It's only been 2 episodes. Now that Nagisa's gotten that chip off her shoulder, we can expect the focus to return to Ayano. Although the lack of focus on her these first two have hurt, we should be able to breathe easy now. It was necessary to resolve Nagisa's issue so she could help Ayano.

Break what? From what I've saw, there wasn't much to break and a flat soda had more tension than the manga. The manga's portrayal of the characters don't make sense if they're keeping Ayano's past with her mom the same.
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Old 2018-07-08, 23:38   Link #50
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It's only been 2 episodes. Now that Nagisa's gotten that chip off her shoulder, we can expect the focus to return to Ayano.
You say return as if the focus was ever on Ayano. Go watch the two episodes again. It was all Nagisa from the start. And yeah, they might dedicate some screentime on Ayano now, but Nagisa is already the MC in the anime. It's the character that was in the spotlight first and the one the audience will relate to now. Besides the show is more about how she gets good enough to beat Ayano than about Ayano's issues. That much is clear.

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Although the lack of focus on her these first two have hurt, we should be able to breathe easy now. It was necessary to resolve Nagisa's issue so she could help Ayano.
No, it wasn't necessary. The manga deals with Nagisa without pushing Ayano on the side this much and without making it so melodramatic.

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Break what? From what I've saw, there wasn't much to break and a flat soda had more tension than the manga.
For example,
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Old 2018-07-09, 01:19   Link #51
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No wonder I don't have a recollection of this Aragaki fake drama when I read through some of the manga. Didn't realize the drama was completely new material. My badminton friends didn't appreciate it either, but I will say this, episode 2's animations represent badminton movements very well, so I'm glad it's true to the sport.

Coach was a good coach. Very astute from his observations to hit the true cause of Aragaki's slump phase and make her enjoy badminton once more, although her classmate also made a brief remark about it too. The scene with coach and Aragaki sort of reminded me of Echizen in Prince of Tennis when he discovered his love for tennis, during his match against Yukimura.

And...most importantly...I know girls LOVE shoes, but just how many pairs of badminton shoes does a high school club really need? You'd think they'd rent them out like they do at bowling alleys! Haha =p
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Old 2018-07-09, 01:26   Link #52
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Watched the anime...2 eps...so the mc nagisa and her to become asshole...until her ass got whiped by the coach...

Read the manga...wait the mc is ayano...and until chp 12..damn the manga is so good...and the anime really become original story....fuk anime ver.....ayano manga ver is more op if someone turn on the switch
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Old 2018-07-09, 01:38   Link #53
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Yeah, the manga is better. The producers screwed up with all this melodrama and Nagisa pandering.
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Old 2018-07-09, 08:14   Link #54
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Yeah, the manga is better. The producers screwed up with all this melodrama and Nagisa pandering.
No, it's not. You call the writing in the anime cringeworthy but it's even worse in the manga. The manga when it first started read like a badly done 4koma. It opens with the glasses girl giving dull exposition about the Nagisa losing her school tournament. The brilliantly animated clip where Nagisa gets utterly destroyed, which serves as a catalyst to explain all her angst, is never shown in the manga. Then the male advisor/coach sees Ayano, a rambunctious airhead (the most generic archetype for sports protagonists) climb a tree, which makes him think she'll be a good match for badminton (10/10 writing) while in the anime, the coach deduces her skills after seeing her reflexes when she returns the tennis ball. Then the two characters have their match which is resolved in an extremely dumb way in the manga. Unlike what we saw in episode 2, Ayano loses to Hanesaki by being an airhead and using her weak hand (right one) without even realizing it. Then she gets kidnapped by the club members in her sleep to go for a trip after where she meets connie. In the anime, she loses to Nagisa after her past trauma with her mother and Kaoruku Serigaya (pink haired girl in the end of the episode) is triggered which is very important as it plays a huge part in her motivations to play badminton.

Even after being forced to join in the anime, Ayano still has no motivation to play competitively like the rest of the club members so the change in focus hasn't broken anything. Ayano will still meet connie (shown in the PVs)but not in the stupid way done in the manga. Also, the reason Nagisa is getting treated like a main character is because it reflects what happens later down in the manga. The author starts focusing on her a lot and at times people even forgot Ayano was the main character.

Anyway, if you still don't like these changes, then should probably stick with the manga because there will be more changes like these and they are happening with the approval of the author. Just take a look at the manga editor and the producer sharing their thoughts about the episode.

https://twitter.com/hanebad_gafter/s...32133409333248

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Old 2018-07-09, 09:25   Link #55
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You say return as if the focus was ever on Ayano. Go watch the two episodes again. It was all Nagisa from the start. And yeah, they might dedicate some screentime on Ayano now, but Nagisa is already the MC in the anime. It's the character that was in the spotlight first and the one the audience will relate to now. Besides the show is more about how she gets good enough to beat Ayano than about Ayano's issues. That much is clear.

No, it wasn't necessary. The manga deals with Nagisa without pushing Ayano on the side this much and without making it so melodramatic.

For example,
Spoiler for anime-manga comparison:
The anime gives us glimpses of her in the opening match scene and devotes a whole crying locker room scene to her, establishing her significance in the story and securing our investment in her. Better than the manga where Ayano literally just appears with no warning a third in to the chapter with no apparent history or relevance. This is an unthinkably bland entrance for a main character.

Deal with Nagisa? There was nothing to deal with. We only heard that she was in a slump from another character, but we saw no effect on her character or in the dynamic of the group. It never noticeably affect her games in any way we could see so we couldn't feel motivated to see her come out of it.
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Old 2018-07-09, 09:49   Link #56
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The anime gives us glimpses of her in the opening match scene and devotes a whole crying locker room scene to her, establishing her significance in the story and securing our investment in her. Better than the manga where Ayano literally just appears with no warning a third in to the chapter with no apparent history or relevance. This is an unthinkably bland entrance for a main character.

Deal with Nagisa? There was nothing to deal with. We only heard that she was in a slump from another character, but we saw no effect on her character or in the dynamic of the group. It never noticeably affect her games in any way we could see so we couldn't feel motivated to see her come out of it.
The manga entrance with the type mystery main character and the reason why she hate badminton need to be find out, unlike the anime entrance is the main character is clearly as day. And actually, I like the manga version then the anime where past of mc already show off how she hate badminton, it is generic and boring intro. And the way that anime push Ayano to the team is forceful, the manga make it better.

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Old 2018-07-09, 09:51   Link #57
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Without spoiling anything in the manga. I like it much better than the anime adaptation. Might be dropping this if things don't get better in episode 3 and 4.
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Old 2018-07-09, 09:57   Link #58
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@Pierrot.
They call anime Nagisa pandering when that's what the manga did for quite a while according to the comments .

I hope the anime manages to cut Nagisa off asap.
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Old 2018-07-09, 10:06   Link #59
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BTW, judged from the OP and ED, we may seen some scenes of the "creepy-roller-coaster" Ayano : )).
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Old 2018-07-09, 10:21   Link #60
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And actually, I like the manga version then the anime where past of mc already show off how she hate badminton, it is generic and boring intro.
It's not a generic intro because it quickly establishes the characters and tells you who's going to be significant in the story without wasting time (keep in mind there's only 12 episodes). Not to mention, it helps the story to be more focused without the useless fluff and gags hindering the overall tone. How many sports anime besides Haikyuu! have you seen pull this off if it's so generic and boring?
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And the way that anime push Ayano to the team is forceful, the manga make it better.
In the manga, they literally kidnap Ayano in her sleep. How is that any better than what happened in the anime?
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@Pierrot.
They call anime Nagisa pandering when that's what the manga did for quite a while according to the comments .

I hope the anime manages to cut Nagisa off asap.
Cutting Nagisa would require to restructure the entire story. She plays a huge role because the author is clearly more empathetic towards her story more than Ayano later on in the manga.

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