Shin High School DxD Volume 3 Discussion

[The Infinite Dream]

https://highschooldxdfc.blogspot.com...ragon.html?m=1

Chapter one is out in Portuguese for people who can read or translate it over

[Crimson_Emperor]

Wonder what AxA mean

[Palmito]

On Facebook pages I saw fans saying they didn't like Issei's new power up (i dont like it too). What about you guys here? Did everyone like what AxA end up being?

[Djeveler]

I personally never wanted any more power-ups in the first place, but this one is ok. It's more creative than just another armor or blast, and it's reliance on Ryuuteimaru gives it more necessary weak points than it would if it was yet another super mode.

[Hokoga]

Originally Posted by Palmito

On Facebook pages I saw fans saying they didn't like Issei's new power up (i dont like it too). What about you guys here? Did everyone like what AxA end up being?

Incredibly disappointed.

[Lucidrago]

I like the fact that I never saw it coming. It was very creative on Ishibumi's part to involve Ryuuteimaru, Issei's familiar, in the power-up.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by Hokoga

Incredibly disappointed.

Same. Thought AxA, the so called final answer for Ophis and GR's power would be the Dragon form from EX or something similarly cool but it's just Ise piloting Ryuuteimaru

[Blazor 98]

So Issei needs Ryuuteimaru to go AxA? Damn, Issei can never get a power up without relying on someone else of an outside factor. This is starting to become lame.

[Djeveler]

Originally Posted by Hakai

Same. Thought AxA, the so called final answer for Ophis and GR's power would be the Dragon form from EX or something similarly cool but it's just Ise piloting Ryuuteimaru

The dragon form is something he can already do, so if AxA was it then it would overlap hard.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

So Issei needs Ryuuteimaru to go AxA? Damn, Issei can never get a power up without relying on someone else of an outside factor. This is starting to become lame.

You're extremely late to complain about this sort of thing. If you expected Issei to become strong just on his own and without "someone else or an outside factor", then you should have dropped since Volume 1 when his Boosted Gear was shown. I also fail to see how it's lame.

[Ashvar]

Spoiler for Spoilers:

Cao Cao and Tobio killed Sonnelion and Gressil
Erebus could stop Ddraig manifesting
The blob of tentacles and eyes behind Issei is Tartarus
Issei defeats both Erebus and Tartarus
Balberith cried because he gives away his oppai dragon merchandise
A member of Nebiros appeared in End Game
ExE is discussed by Ajuka and Azazel; Eros x Engine they call it and will be Issei using Eros's power
Hades, Angra and Verrine are going to fight next with Verrine wanting to fight Issei

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by Djeveler

The dragon form is something he can already do, so if AxA was it then it would overlap hard.

Not really. The form shown in EX was a colossal Great Red sized Dragon. It was something else entirely compared to the half assed dragonification he has now(which he does not even bother using) .

[Djeveler]

Originally Posted by Hakai

Not really. The form shown in EX was a colossal Great Red sized Dragon. It was something else entirely compared to the half assed dragonification he has now(which he does not even bother using) .

Even if it was larger, it's the same sort of thing. Crom Cruach can also turn much larger in his dragon form, but can also remain with human-sized dragon parts (like when he got blasted with Crimson Blaster and half of his face was dragon, as if his human skin had peeled off). They're not mutually exclusive things, and they overlap.

[XFire]

People are complaining that Issei's familiar, that evolved based on his power, is being used to help him get stronger.

Wut?

In the first place, the majority of super high level transformations require the use of someone or something else contributing.

Ise and Vali are basically scrubs without their dragon partners, Rias combines with Gasper, Azazel used Fafnir, Vidar used the Midgard Serpent, Saji uses his dragon, etc.

There aren't all that many people who weren't born into God-class power who can boost themselves to or over it without outside assistance.

[Djeveler]

Originally Posted by XFire

People are complaining that Issei's familiar, that evolved based on his power, is being used to help him get stronger.

Wut?

In the first place, the majority of super high level transformations require the use of someone or something else contributing.

Ise and Vali are basically scrubs without their dragon partners, Rias combines with Gasper, Azazel used Fafnir, Vidar used the Midgard Serpent, Saji uses his dragon, etc.

There aren't all that many people who weren't born into God-class power who can boost themselves to or over it without outside assistance.

Thank you so much, man. Condensed perfectly ^^^^^^^

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Djeveler

The dragon form is something he can already do, so if AxA was it then it would overlap hard.



You're extremely late to complain about this sort of thing. If you expected Issei to become strong just on his own and without "someone else or an outside factor", then you should have dropped since Volume 1 when his Boosted Gear was shown. I also fail to see how it's lame.

It was understandable in the beginning because back then Issei was weak but currently is a different story considering all he's been through.

[Hokoga]

So instead of I don't know maybe strengthening Issei's base state, let's instead manifests Great Red's power through Ryuuteimaru because that more sense..... Wait...

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Also my guys, I'm not going to knock any of you guys who like the AxA form, but I would appreciate if you don't jump on my case for disliking it.

[Rayzer]

Originally Posted by XFire

People are complaining that Issei's familiar, that evolved based on his power, is being used to help him get stronger.

Wut?

In the first place, the majority of super high level transformations require the use of someone or something else contributing.

Ise and Vali are basically scrubs without their dragon partners, Rias combines with Gasper, Azazel used Fafnir, Vidar used the Midgard Serpent, Saji uses his dragon, etc.

There aren't all that many people who weren't born into God-class power who can boost themselves to or over it without outside assistance.

I don't know, Vali is impressive with or without Albion given his huge demonic power reserve and talent. The guy did learn Norse magic in a day just by reading a book. Vidar is a strong god without Midgard armor, Azazel is Maou class without Fafnir and Rias is Ultimate devil class. Issei is on the low end on the pole as well as Saji without their Sacred Gears.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Ashvar

Spoiler for Spoilers:

Cao Cao and Tobio killed Sonnelion and Gressil
Erebus could stop Ddraig manifesting
The blob of tentacles and eyes behind Issei is Tartarus
Issei defeats both Erebus and Tartarus
Balberith cried because he gives away his oppai dragon merchandise
A member of Nebiros appeared in End Game
ExE is discussed by Ajuka and Azazel; Eros x Engine they call it and will be Issei using Eros's power
Hades, Angra and Verrine are going to fight next with Verrine wanting to fight Issei

Well I expected more out of those two devils considering they were Maou-class who had the potential to become Super Devils but oh well. Hope the fights were written.

Expected that Erebus had some way to reduce Issei's and Ddraig's combined fighting power. But Issei is getting too OP. Defeating two gods like that. I just expected Balberith to assist in some way.

Poor Balberith. At least we got an illustration of him.

Malebranche here we come.

So that's what ExE is going to be called.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Rayzer

I don't know, Vali is impressive with or without Albion given his huge demonic power reserve and talent. The guy did learn Norse magic in a day just by reading a book. Vidar is a strong god without Midgard armor, Azazel is Maou class without Fafnir and Rias is Ultimate devil class. Issei is on the low end on the pole as well as Saji without their Sacred Gears.

He's really not. Vali's DxD is him becoming Maou class in base. Which says....not so great things about his much weaker forms.

As for the others, they were more or less born at that level. Vidar was born God class, Azazel was always Maou-class, and Rias would explicitly become Ultimate-class without training at all.

Originally Posted by Hokoga

So instead of I don't know maybe strengthening Issei's base state, let's instead manifests Great Red's power through Ryuuteimaru because that more sense..... Wait...

Images

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

Also my guys, I'm not going to knock any of you guys who like the AxA form, but I would appreciate if you don't jump on my case for disliking it.

I don't care if you dont like it, but there's a huge precedent for why the ability took that form.

In the first place, if AxA strengthened his base form, it wouldn't be a new form.

[Djeveler]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

It was understandable in the beginning because back then Issei was weak but currently is a different story considering all he's been through.

Issei has always been supposed to be weaker than pretty much most people in the setting when on an even playing field, on equal conditions. And other people have also been through a lot, let alone the people who have lived for centuries or millenia. Even at that, the reason Issei becomes strong is not because he has talent, or he's good at battling, but because he can understand and inspire others, so it's natural his strength would come from connections with others too.

Originally Posted by Rayzer

I don't know, Vali is impressive with or without Albion given his huge demonic power reserve and talent. The guy did learn Norse magic in a day just by reading a book. Vidar is a strong god without Midgard armor, Azazel is Maou class without Fafnir and Rias is Ultimate devil class. Issei is on the low end on the pole as well as Saji without their Sacred Gears.

Vali is explicitly a Devil who is extremely talented for battle, Issei is explicitly not such. Azazel and Vidar have lived for millenia, Rias is also a talented person.

Issei has always been mentioned to be talentless and relatively unskilled, by saying he should become strong from his own things then you're pretty much derailing the entire story and how Issei's character is meant to be.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Well I expected more out of those two devils considering they were Maou-class who had the potential to become Super Devils but oh well. Hope the fights were written.

Both Tobio and Cao Cao have named chapters, so it's very likely their battles were written.