2008-03-16, 00:16 | Link #1041 | |
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But yeah, overall this would be easier to swallow if you can explain the absence law enforcement and child welfare services. Being a rural community can partially explain some of that, but it's a bit of a stretch. |
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2008-03-16, 00:49 | Link #1042 | |
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2008-03-16, 01:08 | Link #1043 | |
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It's entertaining enough, and that's the important part, it's just pretty impossible for me to be emotionally invested in anyone because it's like some scenario out of super no-way crazy land. |
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2008-03-16, 01:38 | Link #1044 |
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Very interesting episode 11. Though because of its interesting properties, I do have a random question that's not really plot correlated but just a property that came to mind. Due to a key property in episode 11, I'll put it in a spoiler, but the question itself can't spoil episode 11.
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Though I do find the supposed possible hints from previous episodes about not seeing something quite intriguing. It'll probably be a fun game to see segments of previous episodes that depict even a hint of "wow, it was true the entire time", like how there was one in episode 10, or 9, or maybe all the episodes. |
2008-03-16, 01:54 | Link #1046 | |
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What the heck is wrong with this anime. In today's society, Hirose would be a psychopath for the way he treats that girl...wow...
Finished the rest of this ep. This anime...kind of sucks. Plot structure...all this "I'll protect my mom, so I'll stop Hayami from getting shot" nonsense. Beating Hayami because of his anger against dead people. Hmmmm. Gotta love how they give the main characters an adult level of maturity but when it suits them, they act like little kids. I don't get it. Oh well. Bad habit of mine is preferring to finish what I start. I guess I'll just have to see how this ends. Quote:
Totally with you on the last part. They try to create a modern rural village. It has cars, villages. Ok so maybe they have to go a distance to go into town. But...no child welfare services. The elder himself is law enforcement? Sorry, doesn't make sense in my book. Here in the states if some idiot geezer tries to pull &^%$ like that, it's jail for him. Attempted 1st degree murder, premeditated murder, assault, battery, you name it. Last edited by relentlessflame; 2008-03-16 at 12:26. Reason: Do not triple post. |
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2008-03-16, 02:16 | Link #1047 | |
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2008-03-16, 04:03 | Link #1049 |
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I think the whole village hating hayami thing isn't the big issue here. The plot lies in the fact that despite all the abuse Hayami chooses to live in the village instead of going with her parents... That's the big unbelievable thing here, her parents seems nice to her even after watching up to ep 9. Sure they were bad to the villagers but why does Hayami choose to stay in a village that doesn't want her instead of going to her parents that does?
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2008-03-16, 04:11 | Link #1050 | |
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2008-03-16, 04:33 | Link #1051 | |
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I don't see why you have to single H20 out as if it's the only unoriginal anime series. You might as well pick on all the new series that follow the route of: -Mecha -School life -Harem -Maids -Magical Girl -Die-hard Heroes Just about everything has been done before, some themes have been done more than others. The settings and themes are only partially important. What keeps people tuned in are the character interactions and conflicts that the characters have to go through as the story develops.
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2008-03-16, 05:34 | Link #1052 |
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I think bashing things based on originality really doesn't make sense. What about the sequels, the spinoffs, etc? So what if they're not exactly original? I do think the blindness-tease was a negative though.
Also, the animation and storytelling is not exactly consistent in H2O either, though I think it's still very watchable. |
2008-03-16, 05:52 | Link #1053 | |
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That being said I think it's a fairly original story. It's pretty interesting in it's own right and definitely watchable. |
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2008-03-16, 06:56 | Link #1054 | ||
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And you expect all places to have child welfare? Well if that was the case the Hayami wouldn't have been living in a trailer in the first place. Here the government can give her a nice home. What about in third world countries where it's pretty much everyone for themselves Extreme example but in rural places, the leader is the one who takes charge of everything. The village is only as good as their leader is in this case (and not very good by the looks of it).
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2008-03-16, 07:01 | Link #1055 |
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Ep 11
Ok, never mind irrational village rage. Never mind a main antagonist who's only motive is baseless hate. Never mind the fact that Takuma went completely OOC and most of the plot points in this episode were trumped up over-the-top melodramatic sequences played largely for shock factor. All of that stuff stretches suspension of disbelief but none of it breaks it completely. But Takuma? Blind the entire time? Nope, that's a pill I cannot swallow. It's not just unbelievable. It's impossible. It's not just minor things either, ie things that could be construed in such a way that one could believe Takuma was just crazy and only thought he could see. Entire plot points rely on Takuma being able to see. Episode 2, Takuma finds Hayami's place across the bridge without anyone helping him. Episode 3, Takuma notices "Hotaru's" room. Ep 4, Takuma notices Hayami swimming at night. Episode 5, Takuma reacts to the drawing on the board before anyone has to explain it to him. Etc, etc. That's just the first four episodes of Takuma being able to see. I'm sure the list would be much bigger if one did a slightly more comprehensive search through all episodes than I did (I just flipped through the first few episodes, but still found a list that big). The first one is by far the biggest, but they all ignore how debilitating a handicap blindness is. It'd be very difficult for a blind person to pretend he was sighted for a long period of time... but to think he was sighted? I don't think so. Not Takuma anyway, not after what we were lead to believe he has seen. He's either completely crazy and the entire world around him is his own construct (which is an incredibly lazy cop out excuse for a plot twist) or the blindness thing does not work at all. Hmmm... let me think for a second. Err.. yes. Script writers in anime don't deserve faith. They have to earn it first. I've seen too many terrible scripts get animated that are filled with plot holes to put my trust into an unproven script writer or director. And nothing in this anime has particularly convinced me that I should. I hate you. But I also hate myself, because I was going to say the exact same thing...
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2008-03-16, 07:32 | Link #1056 |
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Yep yep, I can't bring myself to ignore all the plotholes and irrational deus ex machina that the anime is bringing out at an increasing rate. They really ruined it for me, it's just a downward spiral into the pits of madness now. H20 fails ^_^
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2008-03-16, 07:41 | Link #1057 |
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I don't think even the viewers know the full story at this point. Maybe all the episodes leading up to ep 11 were exaggerations in Takuma's mind or something. I wouldn't put it to the show to be particular about these things anymore. That said, if Takuma really was being deluded and all, I think that's a pretty dark turn the show has made. I don't really expect them to wrap it up tying it all together. I can imagine it'd be incredible only if they can show exactly how Takuma got around being blind. Oh well.
PS- I don't exactly understand why people say it's bad plot device with Hirose's particular trauma in this case. Because that part in itself does make sense and he's basically broken both mentally and physically. Him acting all kind and approachable was part of what let him live on. I don't see all that as being out of character. Hayami was right in that it was all pent up inside him. I thought it'd happen earlier but I think it makes sense to have it happen near the end for dramatic effect. Also it makes perfect sense to me how all this is confusing Hirose. I doubt he's acting it out fully realizing what he's doing. He's being run by his emotions and I don't think that has to do with 'bad plot device' like some say it is. As for the whole 'crime prevention' issue, I don't think it's unrealistic that heavy bullying can go unnoticed like that. It happens in the real world all the time. Just imagine the magnitude of the coverup if adults are involved too. That and until recently, Kohinata was willing to just accept the punishment. Even if there were child welfare services, they wouldn't be able to prove anything. Last edited by SuperKnuckles; 2008-03-16 at 07:53. |
2008-03-16, 07:51 | Link #1058 |
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Too much ZOMG shock factor in this show. It's just like Myself; Yourself all over again. Believability is readily sacrificed for the sake of big impact plot twists that crumble under logical scrutiny. This is almost worse than that, though. They certainly rival each other as far as melodrama is concerned.
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2008-03-16, 08:06 | Link #1060 | |
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As for the melodrama thing, personally I think it lessens the impact. If you push too many extremes as this show has, without properly explaining and developing everything, you tread dangerously close to making everything forced and blatant. That's the problem with this show. The drama is so forced and over-the-top that it's very difficult to swallow.
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