Character Discussion - Kallen

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

becouse things cant get much worse

naaa im actually optimistic too
but only becouse i see only three reasons why he pushed her away in ep 22
1)he loves her more then anyone else which is why he wouldnt let her be tainted by his actions while being willing to let suzaku and C.C and even nina (a friend from school) be
2)he knew from the start that if he told her the plan she would never ever agree to it (meanning its something bad, making him the villan)
3)he's pants on head retarded

options 2 and 3 are less likely

well really what did it for me was that Kallen's Line has not been said.
its our last ace in the whole.
CC group kind of lost all there ammo XD.
thus the might be winning the battles recently but we are more concern about the war XD.

[linkinstreet]

Wonder if it's kallen who would be the one with the Keikaku Doori line at the end :3

[equinox822]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

becouse things cant get much worse

naaa im actually optimistic too
but only becouse i see only three reasons why he pushed her away in ep 22
1)he loves her more then anyone else which is why he wouldnt let her be tainted by his actions while being willing to let suzaku and C.C and even nina (a friend from school) be
2)he knew from the start that if he told her the plan she would never ever agree to it (meanning its something bad, making him the villan)
3)he's pants on head retarded

options 2 and 3 are less likely

#1 is out of the question due to the simple fact that Lelouch is prepared to kill Nunnally if needed. What makes you think he wouldn't kill Kallen if she stood in his way, if he's prepared to kill even his own sister, the most important person to him?

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by equinox822

#1 is out of the question due to the simple fact that Lelouch is prepared to kill Nunnally if needed. What makes you think he wouldn't kill Kallen if she stood in his way, if he's prepared to kill even his own sister, the most important person to him?

Please reread his statement.
then read yours.

[Amaterasu Gate]

Wow, and I thought this topic couldn't get any worse, you guys must have skipped the part with this scene with C.C. to be posting this mess, but I guess desperate times calls for desperate measures I hope these kind posts make you feel good on the inside until Sunday at least.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by equinox822

#1 is out of the question due to the simple fact that Lelouch is prepared to kill Nunnally if needed. What makes you think he wouldn't kill Kallen if she stood in his way, if he's prepared to kill even his own sister, the most important person to him?

dont mistake what he doesnt want to do
its not that he wont kill nunnaly (or kallen)
he doesnt want her to be part of his plan (which is about as rape the dog as it gets) becouse he rather she remains the kind of person she is then be corrupted by joining him

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Amaterasu Gate

Wow, and I thought this topic couldn't get any worse, you guys must have skipped the part with this scene with C.C. to be posting this mess, but I guess desperate times calls for desperate measures I hope these kind posts make you feel good on the inside until Sunday at least.

no i just think logically.
If you think CC scene was touching what about all the other Kalulu events all SEASON LONG.
But i digress.

[linkinstreet]

Originally Posted by Amaterasu Gate

Wow, and I thought this topic couldn't get any worse, you guys must have skipped the part with this scene with C.C. to be posting this mess, but I guess desperate times calls for desperate measures I hope these kind posts make you feel good on the inside until Sunday at least.

The same thing can be said about Kallen. Heck, she has more scene with Lelouch this season compared to C.C., thus I fail to see your point

[bladeofdarkness]

kallen nailed it when she asked C.C if she loves lelouch
and when she told her people who have nothing to fight for should stay out of this
C.C didnt admit to loving lelouch (even after all this fucking time)
and she said all she wants is to see the end of the expiriance

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by linkinstreet

Wonder if it's kallen who would be the one with the Keikaku Doori line at the end :3

I WANT TO SEE THIS
Kallen will be my favourite anime girl if this was happening, it would be...wow. Nothing else to say

Equinox : Turn 21 "You always push away those you love the most"
Drama CD "Lelouch will never involve a girl he truly cares about"
Turn 23 : Lelouch push away Nunally when he lied to her

Basically, he treated Nunally like he treated Kallen at this point.
He is ready to kill Nunally if she becomes a danger to his plan now, and it's certainly the case to Kallen too; Does it mean that Nunally is no more is most important person ? Not at all. same thing to Kallen, it's just that now, his ZR is the most important thing to do, to the whole world; He can't no more sacrifice everything to those he loves but this doesn't change the fact that he loves them.

[Nogitsune]

but only becouse i see only three reasons why he pushed her away in ep 22
1)he loves her more then anyone else which is why he wouldnt let her be tainted by his actions while being willing to let suzaku and C.C and even nina (a friend from school) be

Ugh, why do people go on about Lelouch not wanting Kallen to be "tainted"? She was a terrorist, damn it. She's far from innocent.
And Lelouch loving anyone more than Suzaku or Nunally (and maybe Euphemia, but how can anyone not love Euphemia?) and risking his plans only so that said person can stay "untainted"? Huh.
That would make him a hypocrite, and I really can't see Lelouch as coming out of this series as a hypocrite.

2)he knew from the start that if he told her the plan she would never ever agree to it (meanning its something bad, making him the villan)

I doubt it.

3)he's pants on head retarded

Errr... or maybe he just didn't want the Black Knights on his side.
Why? Well, probably because it would have complicated his plans - or something like that.
Or maybe he really wanted to keep Kallen save/happy/whatever, but certainly not because he loves her more than anyone else (like, for example, his best friend).

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

I WANT TO SEE THIS
Kallen will be my favourite anime girl if this was happening, it would be...wow. Nothing else to say

Equinox : Turn 21 "You always push away those you love the most"
Drama CD "Lelouch will never involve a girl he truly cares about"
Turn 23 : Lelouch push away Nunally when he lied to her

Basically, he treated Nunally like he treated Kallen at this point.
He is ready to kill Nunally if she becomes a danger to his plan now, and it's certainly the case to Kallen too; Does it mean that Nunally is no more is most important person ? Not at all. same thing to Kallen, it's just that now, his ZR is the most important thing to do, to the whole world; He can't no more sacrifice everything to those he loves but this doesn't change the fact that he loves them.

Man Lolipopo you been on fire recently.
Lelouch has chosen the world over his own personal happiness.

Lelouch is not some shining white knight that chooses one person over the world.
HE understands the world will be screwed if he did that.
He understands and is taking personal responsibility.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

becouse things cant get much worse

naaa im actually optimistic too
but only becouse i see only three reasons why he pushed her away in ep 22
1)he loves her more then anyone else which is why he wouldnt let her be tainted by his actions while being willing to let suzaku and C.C and even nina (a friend from school) be
2)he knew from the start that if he told her the plan she would never ever agree to it (meanning its something bad, making him the villan)
3)he's pants on head retarded

options 2 and 3 are less likely

Just to say that "more than anyone" is a bit too much.

I will add

4/ He doesn't love her romantically, but as a dear, dear friend.

*runs*

[bladeofdarkness]

Ugh, why do people go on about Lelouch not wanting Kallen to be "tainted"? She was a terrorist, damn it. She's far from innocent.
And Lelouch loving anyone more than Suzaku or Nunally (and maybe Euphemia, but how can anyone not love Euphemia?) and risking his plans only so that said person can stay "untainted"? Huh.
That would make him a hypocrite, and I really can't see Lelouch as coming out of this series as a hypocrite.

dont mistake my meaning
kallen is not as innocent as euphie was
shes a fighter
but she has never so much as had a kick the dog moment in a show that turns dog raping into an art form
she is a woman who would fight for what she belives is right even if it goes against her feelings but she as ultimately a good person
he doesnt want to make her do things that would change that (and his plan is)

P.S is suzaku still his friend at this stage
a friend wouldnt let his BEST FRIEND become evil (nor tell him that the mission is more importent then his little sister)

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Witacume

Man Lolipopo you been on fire recently.
Lelouch has chosen the world over his own personal happiness.

Lelouch is not some shining white knight that chooses one person over the world.
HE understands the world will be screwed if he did that.
He understands and is taking personal responsibility.

And funnily enough this could be used to describe a certain red-haired Tsundere KMF pilot. Coincidence? I think not.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Narona

Since your fellow Demon ( ) try to crush some cluclu hope in the c.c. thread I come to post here

Just to say that "more than anyone" is a bit too much.

I will add

4/ He doesn't love her romantically, but as a dear, dear friend.

*runs*

i'd complain but i did see some of demons posts so i wont
and he also loves nunnaly and acted the same way to her

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Narona

Since your fellow Demon ( ) try to crush some cluclu hope in the c.c. thread I come to post here

Just to say that "more than anyone" is a bit too much.

I will add

4/ He doesn't love her romantically, but as a dear, dear friend.

*runs*

Sure.
Why again is this post threatening?

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

dont mistake my meaning
kallen is not as innocent as euphie was
shes a fighter
but she has never so much as had a kick the dog moment in a show that turns dog raping into an art form
she is a woman who would fight for what she belives is right even if it goes against her feelings but she as ultimately a good person
he doesnt want to make her do things that would change that (and his plan is)

Quite possible.
But he still doesn't love her more than anyone else.

[Amaterasu Gate]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

dont mistake my meaning
kallen is not as innocent as euphie was
shes a fighter
but she has never so much as had a kick the dog moment in a show that turns dog raping into an art form
she is a woman who would fight for what she belives is right even if it goes against her feelings but she as ultimately a good person
he doesnt want to make her do things that would change that (and his plan is)

So because of her blind ambition she's gonna prevent the world from moving forward

[kir44n]

Don't reply to the pseudo-trolls (it should be obvious who I mean). They're just trying to provoke an angry response. They're bored with the C.C. thread so they want to annoy us here.

In any case, it brings us back to the point that there are more logical reasons for Lelouch to have included Kallen on his plan or lie to her about his plan. His pushing her away and allowing her to fight against him simply does not make sense unless :

A)He has not insignificant feelings for her or
B) He's a retard or
C) He's testing her love/loyalty vs. her ideals, which would combine A & B into the maximum amount of retardation and rage.