Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[Kusa-San]

It's me me of this thread is like a giant loop ?


And Lacus is the Chairwoman of Zaft, so Kira is here to help her in her task. That's why he's a white coast. Since he's a white coast, his interactrions with other zaft officer will not be minimal at all. At least, him, Shin, Yzak, Daeka, Luna, Meyrin and the other who appeared at the end of F+ will always interact since they are now all friend.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Gundamx

This, and I think the only reason why he is wearing white coat so no one go OMG when they see him wearing EAF/Orb in ZAFT area...

Did any of ZAFT officers goes "OMG " when they see Athrun in a complete ORB uniform entering ZAFT territory at the end of Destiny Special Edition movie?

[Gundamx]

1- if he didn't wear white >> let's say red? Than he will have to follow order from white/black.
So white = lesser interactions since he will not follow their order neither give it to them.

2- Kira =/= Athrun.
Athrun = hero to zaft even though he leave them.

And when I say OMG I mean thing like this:
Random person: Why person from Orb/EAF walking here like he won the place? ( they don't know Kira face)
So if he have EAF/Orb cloth than his moving will be limited >>> can't walk with Lacus to council or any high level area or even between civilian since they hate them...

[monster]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

He's not in Zaft to serve Zaft. He's there to serve Lacus. His interactions with the Zaft rank and file will probably be minimal.

We don't actually know what Kira's purpose will be in ZAFT. From the scene with him and Lacus at the end of Destiny's SE, it looks like they haven't seen each other in a while.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Gundamx

1- if he didn't wear white >> let's say red? Than he will have to follow order from white/black.
So white = lesser interactions since he will not follow their order neither give it to them.

2- Kira =/= Athrun.
Athrun = hero to zaft even though he leave them.

And when I say OMG I mean thing like this:
Random person: Why person from Orb/EAF walking here like he won the place? ( they don't know Kira face)
So if he have EAF/Orb cloth than his moving will be limited >>> can't walk with Lacus to council or any high level area or even between civilian since they hate them...

First of all, since you agree with Aquaman, I take it your interpretation is that Kira is not really part of ZAFT, right?

Now, let’s talk with logic (within the anime) here. Do you actually believe ZAFT will allow a mere supporter of Lacus run around wearing ZAFT commander uniform just to “blend in”? Not to mention that Kira is the enemy in the previous war. So, once again, what kind of military organization would allow former enemy to run around wearing their high-ranking uniform without any certain commitment to them, just to “blend-in” for indefinite time? Explain that to me, please.

[BladeEntity]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

First of all, since you agree with Aquaman, I take it your interpretation is that Kira is not really part of ZAFT, right?

Now, let’s talk with logic (within the anime) here. Do you actually believe ZAFT will allow a mere supporter of Lacus run around wearing ZAFT commander uniform just to “blend in”? Not to mention that Kira is the enemy in the previous war. So, once again, what kind of military organization would allow former enemy to run around wearing their high-ranking uniform without any certain commitment to them, just to “blend-in” for indefinite time? Explain that to me, please.

To be fair I'm sure Kira is not exactly committed to ZAFT but rather only to Lacus... And really being in the army just doesn't suit him.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by BladeEntity

To be fair I'm sure Kira is not exactly committed to ZAFT but rather only to Lacus... And really being in the army just doesn't suit him.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Kira is absolutely joining ZAFT in that ending. All of us can only speculate at this point since nothing was clear and there's no official words either. I'm not trying to be someone who pretends to know exactly what's going on in that ending. What I want from my above post is just explanation from Gundamx that can support his theory .

[Destined_Fate]

They never really explained how Lacus became Head Chairwoman. Did they just hand it to her because Durandal died? Don't remember seeing a vote or anything not to mention that she betrayed ZAFT once and fought against ZAFT in two wars.

Originally Posted by Kusa-San

It's me me of this thread is like a giant loop ?


And Lacus is the Chairwoman of Zaft, so Kira is here to help her in her task. That's why he's a white coast. Since he's a white coast, his interactrions with other zaft officer will not be minimal at all. At least, him, Shin, Yzak, Daeka, Luna, Meyrin and the other who appeared at the end of F+ will always interact since they are now all friend.

Yzak and Dearka aren't friends with Shinn, Lunamaria, or Meyrin. They barely even know them. The only way they would be friends is if Athrun started playdates between Yzak, Shiho, Dearka, Shinn, Lunamaria, and Meyrin. Shinn is also not friends with Kira. They forgave each other and the such but they aren't friends. Athrun is the only one that seems to be friends with everyone. Than again he always was the favorite.

Yes, I said Shiho. How many here even knows who she is?

DEEP ARMS!!!!

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Kira is absolutely joining ZAFT in that ending. All of us can only speculate at this point since nothing was clear and there's no official words either. I'm not trying to be someone who pretends to know exactly what's going on in that ending. What I want from my above post is just explanation from Gundamx that can support his theory .

Hmmm let's try stupid theory:-
Terminal, Clyne Faction, AA..etc >>Will not accept to let Lacus to set foot on PLANT without any protection because of:-

1-Elite Coordinator corps try to assassination Lacus.

2- Their formor chairman use Lacus copy to contol civilians opinion.
don't to mention that he may be the one who give the assassination order.

3- And the one who before him > kill Lacus father and former Clyne Faction leader.


So again, I doubt that Terminal and Clyne Faction will let their leader/successor to enter enemy Den without any protection.

P.S: Yeah, that mean there is other from Terminal/Clyne Faction in PLANT other than Kira. (e.g: Waltfeld.)

Yes, I said Shiho. How many here even knows who she is?

Spoiler for Silent warrior::

[Washu-Chan]

Or, if they can't come up with ideas, why not use Char's Counterattack as a basis, with some elements of Turn A?

I can see the analogies, as well as the fates of some characters:

• Char's Counterattack = Athrun's Counterattack
• Dianna Counter = Lacus Counter
• Cagalli (post-GSD) = Sayla (post-MSG)
• Shinn (post-GSD) = Kamille (post-Zeta)

Seed already riffed on the various UC shows (mainly MSG and Zeta), Wing, X, and Turn A. What other shows Seed didn't riff on, besides 00 and AGE?

[Destined_Fate]

It's insulting to compare Dianna with Lacus. Dianna deserves better even if her desire to live a normal life before her death made Sochie cry.

[zeroexia]

I had a weird thought. Imagine if in the SEED movie, it's revealed that Lacus is actually evil. She orchestrated everything in order to take control of the Solar System.

If you think about it if Lacus was evil, she would have been the most successful villain ever. That would such a twist. And then Kira goes to stop her and then dies with her. Greatest mind-screwing ever.

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by zeroexia

I had a weird thought. Imagine if in the SEED movie, it's revealed that Lacus is actually evil. She orchestrated everything in order to take control of the Solar System.

If you think about it if Lacus was evil, she would have been the most successful villain ever. That would such a twist. And then Kira goes to stop her and then dies with her. Greatest mind-screwing ever.

Going that route, would that make Lacus a Treize/Haman hybrid?

[Aquaman OS]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

First of all, since you agree with Aquaman, I take it your interpretation is that Kira is not really part of ZAFT, right?

Now, let’s talk with logic (within the anime) here. Do you actually believe ZAFT will allow a mere supporter of Lacus run around wearing ZAFT commander uniform just to “blend in”? Not to mention that Kira is the enemy in the previous war. So, once again, what kind of military organization would allow former enemy to run around wearing their high-ranking uniform without any certain commitment to them, just to “blend-in” for indefinite time? Explain that to me, please.

Lacus and Terminal basically took over Zaft. Any Durandal loyalists that would have a problem with her people were probably removed. Anyone else can basically be shamed by the fact that they supported Durandal enforcing his will on the world with space lasers into letting her have her way. I mean while Kira and Lacus were enemies they were opposing Zaft doing "bad" things. So they aren't really supposed to protest.

And considering Kira will most likely spend most of his Zaft time on the Eternal, surrounded by Terminal people who already know and like him anyway, he's not likely to get grief.

They aren't cooperating with the Durandal regime here. They kicked them all out.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

They aren't cooperating with the Durandal regime here. They kicked them all out.

Are you sure about Terminal kicking all previous ZAFT members and run ZAFT by themselves? Exactly how many members does the Terminal have to effectively & efficiently replace all the previous ZAFT members, which is a lot (just look at all those MSs who fought ORB alliance. And those are just the pilots)? I'd like to hear from you about that, just like how I previously want to hear Gundamx's explanation (which is not enough for me, but I let it be).

Just to make my above question clearer:
How do you know that Durandal/Destiny Plan loyalists are not the majority in ZAFT? Thus, Terminal must really have a lot of members to replace them all if we go by your theory.

[Destined_Fate]

Originally Posted by zeroexia

I had a weird thought. Imagine if in the SEED movie, it's revealed that Lacus is actually evil. She orchestrated everything in order to take control of the Solar System.

If you think about it if Lacus was evil, she would have been the most successful villain ever. That would such a twist. And then Kira goes to stop her and then dies with her. Greatest mind-screwing ever.

Kira dying with her? That will be just as bad as Talia deciding to die with Durandal and leaving her daughter behind. What s selfish woman!

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Are you sure about Terminal kicking all previous ZAFT members and run ZAFT by themselves? Exactly how many members does the Terminal have to effectively & efficiently replace all the previous ZAFT members, which is a lot (just look at all those MSs who fought ORB alliance. And those are just the pilots)? I'd like to hear from you about that, just like how I previously want to hear Gundamx's explanation (which is not enough for me, but I let it be).

Why not make the next scenario a three-way PLANT civil war between Terminal and any surviving remnants, if there are any, who are still loyal to Patrick Zala and Durandal (or at least, their beliefs)?

[D-KLAC]

what?!

give we're only 2yrs from now 10th year of GSD with also being 35th year of gundam (still pull for female lead gundam tv series pilot)

unless pull romeo & juliet ending on kira-lacus or athrun-cagalli or even both either way get ask those in sunrise when GS era coming back?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Kira dying with her? That will be just as bad as Talia deciding to die with Durandal and leaving her daughter behind. What s selfish woman!

Seriously?

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

Why not make the next scenario a three-way PLANT civil war between Terminal and any surviving remnants, if there are any, who are still loyal to Patrick Zala and Durandal (or at least, their beliefs)?

That's an interesting scenario.

[rakusukira]

First off, I think they already kicked out everyone deeply involved and part of the Durandall regime just to make sure that Lacus being chairwoman is a safe thing for her.

as for Kira, we all know he went to ZAFT to be with Lacus . so whatever circumstances, Kira would definitely do anything for her even if it were against ZAFT