Dragon Ball Super (Manga)

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

But was it also revealed in the anime that the God ki in Super Saiyan Blue leaks out? Maybe during the Zamasu arc? If so, then it's really not a manga-only thing, huh? But in that case, I really do think Goku and Vegeta need to start holding their God ki within their bodies in Super Saiyan Blue form so that they can keep the ki from leaking and complete the form.

Super Saiyan Blue was said to drain your stamina in the anime, but it's a very very small drawback seeing as it was only mentioned twice in passing and has never been an issue in any of the fights. The form was complete from the start in the anime, it was strongly implied they managed to achieve it by preventing their ki from leaking (the scene in Whis' staff). Heck, they beat Freeza precisely because he hadn't mastered his new Golden form and it was draining his stamina like crazy. I've always wondered what happened in the manga. I suppose they just used the Super Saiyan God form to beat him.

[Sixth]

In anime, SSB drain stamina upon activation but once you entered SSB state, your stamina will not longer drained. The reasons why was Vegeta can't beat Hit or getting weaker because he used and activated SSB for few times in the tournament before he facing Hit.

But then, it seems that the drawback of SSB was completely vanished after U6 vs U7 arc, which may implied that Goku and Vegeta had finally mastered the SSB later.

[DragonOsman]

@Kanon: They completely glossed over the fight against Frieza in the manga version. They just mentioned it in passing. So I also don't know how it went in the manga. But yeah, thanks for the info.

So the God ki leaking in Super Saiyan Blue in the anime isn't made into a big deal and they've gotten over it through precise ki control? But different from how it was in the manga?

[Sixth]

Fews page of Chapter 29 leaked.

Confirmed that Anime Goku is like 600x times stronger than Manga Goku. Manga Toppo is wrecking SSB Goku so hard in those leaked pictures.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Sixth

Fews page of Chapter 29 leaked.

Confirmed that Anime Goku is like 600x times stronger than Manga Goku. Manga Toppo is wrecking SSB Goku so hard in those leaked pictures.

well it's make sense toppo being strong than goku since he is a candidate in train to be the next GoD.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

well it's make sense toppo being strong than goku since he is a candidate in train to be the next GoD.

But Goku is also a candidate for GoD universe 7 too.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Sixth

But Goku is also a candidate for GoD universe 7 too.

he could be a candidate and in train for much more long time than goku for what it's look and remember the "mortal level" of his universe is above universe 7, this means which universe 11 livings are supposed to be superior overal or being more smart of being more "strong".

[DragonOsman]

In DBZ's battles, being smarter doesn't matter as much as being stronger. So the mortal level shouldn't matter in a fight. Also, Goku is stronger in anime. Definitely.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

In DBZ's battles, being smarter doesn't matter as much as being stronger. So the mortal level shouldn't matter in a fight. Also, Goku is stronger in anime. Definitely.

Kaio Ken is a good technique.

Too bad Manga Goku doesn't want to use it.

[Kanon]

The manga made the situation far more dramatic than in the anime, with Toppo wrecking Goku at his best and then telling him his friend Jiren is even stronger than him. They also outright confirmed Jiren is stronger than Belmod. This makes the situation look pretty desperate for U7.

[DragonOsman]

@Sixth: They're just doing it differently in the manga for how he powered-up Super Saiyan Blue. And while the Kaio-ken is indeed powerful, it also puts a lot of stress on the body. I assume it'd be better if an actual Kaio or Kaioshin used it, but for a mortal like Goku? Do you remember what happened after he used the 10x Kaio-ken plus Super Saiyan Blue against Hit in the U6 vs. U7 tournament? Not just what happened right afterwards, but also the sickness he developed where he couldn't control his ki properly. Kaio-ken is a dangerous technique for a mortal.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

@Sixth: They're just doing it differently in the manga for how he powered-up Super Saiyan Blue. And while the Kaio-ken is indeed powerful, it also puts a lot of stress on the body. I assume it'd be better if an actual Kaio or Kaioshin used it, but for a mortal like Goku? Do you remember what happened after he used the 10x Kaio-ken plus Super Saiyan Blue against Hit in the U6 vs. U7 tournament? Not just what happened right afterwards, but also the sickness he developed where he couldn't control his ki properly. Kaio-ken is a dangerous technique for a mortal.

Spoiler for Goku and Kaio Ken Spoilers:

Goku now can use SSB xKK20 and spam SSB KK10 easy.

[DragonOsman]

^I see. But still. Let's talk when he can do that with, say, 1 million times Kaio-ken.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

^I see. But still. Let's talk when he can do that with, say, 1 million times Kaio-ken.

Well, not millions times, but Goku was already can spam SSB KK10 without any drawback at this point.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

In DBZ's battles, being smarter doesn't matter as much as being stronger. So the mortal level shouldn't matter in a fight. Also, Goku is stronger in anime. Definitely.

but they are not just "more smart" but also more strong, just look at the "pride troop level even the most "weak member" still above super sayan level, which show how much superior can be the overal peoples in universe 11, probably based on the universe ranks the average level for the mortals must be around yamcha or tenchinhan or master kame which is already above overal universe 7 levels.

remember the only peopls pushing the universe 7 mortal levels are probably the z warriors( for brute force) and bulma family plus some random mad scientists (for smart).

for what i remember the gap between universe 7 and 11 overal is big.

[alex_drian]

Originally Posted by Kanon

The manga made the situation far more dramatic than in the anime, with Toppo wrecking Goku at his best and then telling him his friend Jiren is even stronger than him. They also outright confirmed Jiren is stronger than Belmod. This makes the situation look pretty desperate for U7.

Goku was using SSB Full Power?

[DragonOsman]

@BlueKnight78: Goku is still among the top ten strongest in all the universes. And he's still getting stronger. Whether he wins or loses against Jiren, he'd still be at least second-strongest out of all the mortals in all the universes. Jiren is stronger than a God of Destruction after all. How many mortals can attest to that? So even if there are universes whose mortals didn't participate in the all-universe tournament, Goku is still likely at least the second-strongest mortal.

[alex_drian]

Haa, SSB never fails to disappoint me.

[Ramero]

The problem is if the side effect will take a hit on Goku after that. Before after he's using KK10, he receive energy disorientation that causes his instant transmission to go random places. I hope the side effect this time doesn't kick in right away.

[DragonOsman]

He couldn't control his ki properly. The Instant Transmission thing was caused by that. He also couldn't fly properly, since that, too, requires ki manipulation.