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Actually, no matter how we look at it (whether AIM is energy or mass, whether it's dense or not) AIM Burst's feats or its existence itself contradicts at some point with that fundamental law. The only alternative to explain that is to assume that just like Dark Matter, AIM doesn't follow the law of conservation ... therefore every single esper somehow bypass too. Yeah, I bow my head on that one too ...
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2012-04-04, 05:00 | Link #862 | |
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In Indexverse, we already have mana which is used in magic, although it's not noticable using precise measurements. Following this logic, we can assume that AIM is an alternate form of energy which is generated from whatever source. Now, where that AIM comes from hasn't been explained yet, but just as mana just exists, we should assume AIM just exists. The manipulation of mana/AIM does sort of follow the law of conservation. |
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2012-04-04, 05:54 | Link #863 |
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I have a theory that can somehow link all supernatural manifestations.
"Those with talent" are people capable of altering/breaking/ignoring the laws of physics to certain extent, brought through some sort of personal reality that they impose into the world, whether they are Gemstones, Saints or any other "abnormal" humans. So, "those without talent", jealous of the special powers, sought ways to imitate them and found that every person has a small potential to change reality but only a few have enough potential to actually create the change. So instead of trying to use power of their own, "those without talent" constructed magic as a way of joining and channeling the potential of several people to compensate for the weakness. Furthermore, they realized that the easiest way to do this is through the reconstruction of stories that are already in the mind of those people whose potential the magician intends to borrow. And so magic was born. A technique with a wider range of application that what "those with talent" had since it's not limited to the specializations of a single person. Then Aleister, with the guidance of Aiwass, found a different way of "acquiring talent". This would be by altering the brain of normal person so that their personal reality is limited and focused into a single "law breaking" effect, specializing further their normal potential, and thus compensating power by sacrificing flexibility (which would be why dual skill is impossible in artificial espers.) So... what do you guys think? |
2012-04-04, 06:38 | Link #864 |
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So that is why Magic in the ToAruVerse usually fall under the Rule of Symbolism, right?
Say, how do you think would magic based on the legend of Ehud-ben-Gera look like? Would it be the ability of a proto-ninja? |
2012-04-04, 07:07 | Link #865 |
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Ehub-ben-Gera is simply a Badass Normal. It wasn't known how he was influenced by God, and all he did was trick King Elgon of the Moabites and many others into perpetrating his assassination.
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2012-04-04, 07:21 | Link #866 |
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Hmm... I thought his legend could be incorporated as magic, though. Oh well.
Say, Moses was one of the earliest wielders of the Holy Right, yes? EDIT: And... Who was the first Saint, Nimrod or Samson? |
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2012-04-04, 10:24 | Link #869 |
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Well, I haven't worked that part too well.
But, let suppose that the "talent" is the capacity of using some sort of fundamental energy to bring the personal reality into the world. This fundamental energy is within every living being and in the world itself, so Magicians can use the gathered talent/potential to refine their own life energy or the energy around them, and this refined energy is what they call Mana. AIM might then be result of Espers subconsciously and constantly refining the energy around them (they don't use their own energy) to bring their personal reality... So I guess under this scheme, the Espers would also be using Mana, without needing to know what it is, or even being aware of it's existence. Last edited by leukrota; 2012-04-04 at 10:38. |
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2012-04-04, 11:44 | Link #871 | ||
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Espers deal badly with magic because their body is attuned to use their own personal reality only. What I'm trying to say is that under this theory they could safely use magic as long as the effect was the exact same as what their personal reality dictates. Of course, using such magic would be redundant and pointless. |
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No one ever said it must be "religious belief", just having faith in anything : like buying a random urban legend is enough to refine spiritual energy (Shopping mall), or believing that a miracle can happen (Komoe-sensei), or just admitting the existence of another set of rules (Accelerator, Kuroyoru) ; and the instant they perform an action involving the use of that refined energy (even if they aren't aware of it themselves) ... they're doomed. Quote:
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2012-04-05, 04:13 | Link #873 | |
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The reason the Espers get the backlash might not be due to an incompatibility of systems but that their minds and bodies only allow them to perform a small subset of spells... Or perhaps it's not their bodies' fault, but their AIM. According to this crack induced theory the AIM is constantly refining energy to feed the Esper's powers. If an Esper tried refining energy for a different purpose then the AIM's and the spell's refining processes would get in each other ways and result in failing both processes, hence the increased backlash (it would be similar to failing 2 spells at the same time.) Hmm.. I'm starting to think about a different theory, but I'll leave that for another time. Last edited by leukrota; 2012-04-05 at 12:09. Reason: a couple typos... that's why I shouldn't write while being half asleep. |
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2012-04-06, 10:49 | Link #879 |
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I'm sorry to hear that- You know what you should do? You should trying dipping into Nanoha's magitech discussion thread; compared to us, those guys are loads of fun and will absolutely, definitely, positively not take things too seriously...
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