[Manga] Tobi's identity

[XYKE]

Originally Posted by Kowai

agreed, he isnt on a mission to wipe out the uchiha, he jsut tested his ability. he doesnt need to test it further on tobi

Do you actually believe that excuse he used?

[Chimie]

Read Kakashi Gaiden again please. I don't think this is a manga thread...

Spoiler:

Umm, cause Obito wasn't living in Konoha when it happened; and presumed to be dead. If he was, Kakashi would have known about it, Obito would have never given him his eye (why give away your eye if you will live?)

[grey_1960]

Remeber Obito died on the mission with the fourth to rock country. So if obito survived the mission some how than itachi might not have know he was alive. I think Danzou(anbu roots ex leader) is obito.

[ZGoten]

Obito could have been rescued by the rock country´s ninjas, in order to get some informations about the target of Kakashi´s team. At leas the rock ninjas are the only ones left that could have known that Obito lied under thos rocks....maybe they had a high skilled medical ninja with them....

Just imagine the following:^^

......O
T..........B
......I
It shall be sth like a circle^^ Obitos face/mask looks like that...start reading at O xD

[Chimie]

Originally Posted by ZGoten

Obito could have been rescued by the rock country´s ninjas, in order to get some informations about the target of Kakashi´s team. At leas the rock ninjas are the only ones left that could have known that Obito lied under thos rocks....maybe they had a high skilled medical ninja with them....

Just imagine the following:^^

......O
T..........B
......I
It shall be sth like a circle^^ Obitos face/mask looks like that...start reading at O xD

A lot of people don't know Japanese so they don't know this, (It still works out, but just to help you from sounding stupid)

Japanese letters are two english letters long (a consonant and a vowel) except vowels can be by themselves. So Obito's name would be O-BI-TO so when you reverse letters in japanese, you don't acctually flip the BI and the TO; it becomes

TO-BI-O

Like I said, still works out, but there are no circles or rearranging letters or anything.

[razor886]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu
We don't know exactly why Itachi murdered the Uchiha Clan.

I thought he did it to prove himself worthy to join Akatsuki

[Chimie]

Originally Posted by razor886

I thought he did it to prove himself worthy to join Akatsuki

Thats just speculation.

[ZGoten]

Originally Posted by Chimie

Thats just speculation.

All we can do is speculate.....
Maybe Itachi killed his clan, to make Sasuke getting stronger for some reason. Maybe AL?

I know....just speculation...

[Namikaze Minato]

yo u guys might think obito is tobi but in manga chapter 364 page 18 hes the master mind behind Akatsuki also in that same page he states hes madara uchiha and if u guys dont know whos that hes the first uchiha plus on page 19 of chapter 364 he has a sharigan so........

[Quzor]

We don't necessarily know that Madara was the first Uchiha, just that he was one of the first. I never see the theory about the statue at the Valley of the End being Madara anymore, but I still think that is a very real possibility. Either way, there's discussion (in other threads, mind you) about the reality of the name Uchiha Madara...whether it is the name of a person, or a title received among the Uchiha clan. If the latter is true, anyone (including Obito, if he is alive) could be Madara, as it's not but a title bestowed upon he who has mastered all levels of the sharingan and, being as there are no Uchiha left to assign the title to someone, Tobi (or whoever) could just claim it for himself. Anyway, this is really discussion for another topic, so I'll leave it at that...

[shadowyondaime]

Spoiler for -________-:

what if tobi is obito but go madara sealed in him

[Raihen]

Originally Posted by Quzor

We don't necessarily know that Madara was the first Uchiha, just that he was one of the first. I never see the theory about the statue at the Valley of the End being Madara anymore, but I still think that is a very real possibility. Either way, there's discussion (in other threads, mind you) about the reality of the name Uchiha Madara...whether it is the name of a person, or a title received among the Uchiha clan. If the latter is true, anyone (including Obito, if he is alive) could be Madara, as it's not but a title bestowed upon he who has mastered all levels of the sharingan and, being as there are no Uchiha left to assign the title to someone, Tobi (or whoever) could just claim it for himself. Anyway, this is really discussion for another topic, so I'll leave it at that...

I agree with it - Madara was probably the most powerfull Uchiha clan member and had some "rare" power. Still Tobi said that He HAVE(or IS) POWER of Uchiha Madara, not that he IS Uchicha Madara.

That is just one more Speculation ... To know the truth we must wait to see what Kishi is going to do :P

[Sakuranbo]

I'm not too concerned with how "close" Tobi & Obito are or could be the same person. I am more interested in someone like Tobi who introduces himself as a sort of a clown type of character, running away from fights allowing Deidara to do all of the work then later accepting all of the credit. Yet reacts almost inhuman when being struck [Chp 357 for example] and later comes out with a totally different personality and tone. This guy was, whoever he ends up being, he was intentionally made to fool people. He wants people to think he's weak or foolish (i.e. Kisame's remarks about him running away), so that in reality he is a much faster fighter or what not. And I wouldn't downplay any Tobi/Obito theories just yet because anything can happen in a manga. People are always dying and then coming back somehow. I don't think Zetsu saved Tobi/Obito (if that's who you think he is) I think Madara may be more like a FMA "Dante" like person, perhaps found a dying Obito, (yes you would give your eye if you thought were going to die obviously you would no longer need it) saved him and trained him (like Dante did with Lyra) and then somehow swicthed bodies. I think that could def. be a possibility, but that would all depend on Tobi being Obito which until he removes his mask he will just remain enigmatic Tobi/Madara.

[Maitasuke Uchiha]

Originally Posted by SpecterVR

People lust for the sharingan, maybe someone got to it before ANBU did, (someone who knew it was there), and found the boy in good enough condition to revive him and/or brainwash.

Crazy crackpot theory, but I didn't really think it through.

who nos maybe oro was watching and waiting and came at the last minute before he took a dirt nap revived him and wen he joined akatsuki zetsu took him under his wing.

[Quzor]

Originally Posted by Maitasuke Uchiha

who nos maybe oro was watching and waiting and came at the last minute before he took a dirt nap revived him and wen he joined akatsuki zetsu took him under his wing.

I don't know if I understood you entirely correctly, but if you're talking about Tobi, he was already Zetsu's subordinate before he joined Akatsuki...that was how Tobi got in, he got approval from Zetsu (well, half of him at least )

[Nameless]

Tobi didn't say he was Madara, stop changing the script.

The words were:
"I will show you the power of Sharingan, the power of Uchiha Madara"

He was saying something along the lines of "I have the power of Uchiha Madara" or something along those lines.

Timeline wise, it wouldn't make sense for Kyuubi to know who Madara was if he was still alive. Kyuubi's been sealed in Naruto for 15 years and Obito died when Kakashi was already older doing missions.

What I figure is:

Spoiler:

Tobi = Obito, rearranged letters to hide his real identity or because he doesn't want to be called by his own name. The mask hides his left eye, which Kakashi has. His left body looks different from his right (weird buttons and stuff). The circle on his mask might indicate the focus on his right eye. He probably achieved MS after his "death" and Kakashi consequently achieved MS because his eye = Tobi's eye. I believe Madara Uchiha was the first Uchiha to hit MS and Itachi was referencing to him when he said Sasuke hitting MS would make the total 3 that "have" hit MS, not necessarily 3 Uchiha that CAN hit MS. Itachi might not even know Tobi is an Uchiha and even if he does, he probably doesn't think of him as much because Tobi doesn't really reveal his power much. I think Tobi's reference to having "the power of Uchiha Madara" was a reference to him having MS and maybe even more powers in and of itself.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Nameless

Tobi didn't say he was Madara, stop changing the script.

The words were:
"I will show you the power of Sharingan, the power of Uchiha Madara"

He was saying something along the lines of "I have the power of Uchiha Madara" or something along those lines.

Timeline wise, it wouldn't make sense for Kyuubi to know who Madara was if he was still alive. Kyuubi's been sealed in Naruto for 15 years and Obito died when Kakashi was already older doing missions.

The line can be interpretted in two ways... one is the way you said it, and other can be tobi speaking in the third person. Talking in the third person is a classic way for character to gloat and show off having a big ego.

Also, we have seen character who were immortal before, so hearing that uchiha madara could have been alive long ago and alive today is not strange... Especially since with the mask on, we have no idea how old tobi might actually be.

i myself lean more towards the what you think that he wasn't saying he WAS uchiha madara, and that he is obito who is claiming to have the power of madara... however, i always keep myself open to reasonable doubt, so i won't be surprised if he really is madara

[Medalist]

Think of it as a jinchuuriki/bijuu situation

Obito = jinchuuriki/host
Madara = bijuu /controller

You know? The sorta I help you, you help me deal, in which case, Madara revived Obito, Obito let Madara use his body.

[Nameless]

Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

Think of it as a jinchuuriki/bijuu situation

Obito = jinchuuriki/host
Madara = bijuu /controller

You know? The sorta I help you, you help me deal, in which case, Madara revived Obito, Obito let Madara use his body.

We've seen too much of that already, but with Kishimoto lately, it wouldn't surprise me if what you're saying is true.

The most reasonable belief that would play into foreshadowing/plot development:

Spoiler:

Obito = Tobi, his death experience and some events led to him hitting MS, he reached a level of power like Madara and is the strongest Uchiha alive.

The belief that would play into Kishimoto's fanboyism of Sasuke and Itachi:

Spoiler:

Obito = Uchiha Madara, and he wears a mask with swirls on it because he likes ice cream sundays with a cherry and his Sharingan eye is the cherry cuz Uchiha eyes are as awesome as cherries, Sasuke and Itachi fight, but neither dies, but for some reason they both get new powers, Kakashi shows up and gets mauled by one or both or either of them.

The belief that would play into Sasuke/Itachi fans:

Spoiler:

Obito = Madara and Sasuke is surpassing him, Sasuke defeats or conflicts with Itachi but Madara shows up and kind of reveals himself as the new enemy to beat, has some kind of reason why he was helping Pein but was really using him. I don't know where I'm going with this one so I'm gonna sing a song. Chocolate raaaain, some have eyes and others have only one, chocolate raaaaain, Obito died in the rocks and now he's lame, chocolate raaaaaaain, Sasuke will beat Itachi for sure, Chocolate raaaaaain, chocolate rain is raining in my brain.

Either way, we can all agree on one thing:
Tobi is a big thing. He's not some lacky like Hidan or Deidara, and it's pretty clear the fact that Kakuzo vouched for him, he didn't have to show his power to Pein or the other Akatsuki members which could very likely have to do with just how menacing his power is.

[shadowyondaime]

Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

Think of it as a jinchuuriki/bijuu situation

Obito = jinchuuriki/host
Madara = bijuu /controller

You know? The sorta I help you, you help me deal, in which case, Madara revived Obito, Obito let Madara use his body.

I already mentioned this thoery not so populair tho =/

anyway the valley of the end why is it called like that I think uchiha Madara and Shodai had a fight there. I dont know anymore who killed shodai but if its madara its probably why he the ms