Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[black_cat1]

Lol, now we have Hercules =)

We don't know that, since no fangs have been put on a trans-am suit. Bits can't go trans-am on a non-transam system either, but Ali's Fangs were outpacing the 00 and Seravee with ease.

But Lockon have Haro to control Bit and he can freely focus on snipe Ali, and when he use Trans-am . Really want to see Lockon vs Ali :x

[Dean_the_Young]

Originally Posted by black_cat1

Lol, now we have Hercules =)


But Lockon have Haro to control Bit and he can freely focus on snipe Ali, and when he use Trans-am . Really want to see Lockon vs Ali :x

That doesn't change the capabilities of the fangs vs the bits, only shifting the division of attention so that Lockon wouldn't have to handle both at the same time. Ali, on the other hand, was trashing both the 00 and the Serave at the same time with ease, and we still don't know the extent of Ali's body reconstruction. Quantum brain waves, perchance?

[LoweGear]

@Double 120%:

It'd be a nice defense...except that nutype's original argument was this:

Originally Posted by nutype

i just heard it....worst OP song for a gundam show EVER!!!

OMFG it's terrible and if any of you disagree you are simply wrong.

why? Because you just are!






はぁ・・・どうも好きになれんわ

Originally Posted by nutype

That was said in jest, I thought it was obvious from the way I added "!" at the end of my sentence. Not like you could be a good judge of the song either way with since you probably dont know Japanese, a foreign language to you. From what I've seen the majority of Japanese people on 2ch agree with me anyway.

No basis of judgement based on the lyrics, no constructive and civilized critique about why the song does not hold up in his opinion, nor does he even say that the lyrics are bad... just plain and pure opinions that he tries to portray as a statement of fact, in this case "this song sucks, and if you don't agree you're wrong". The issue being addressed is his arrogance.

Originally Posted by Double 120%

However, on another deeper level, it is a verifiable subject; language. Whether the lyrics pertain at all to the show, or if its just nonsense that was added just because it sounds nice or the words rhyme. You can't really argue with someone on lyrics of a foreign song, if you yourself don't know the language. And for a song, music and lyrics aren't 50/50 either. You can have a song without music, but you can't have a song without words. The music enhances the words and lyrics. If the lyrics are garbage to begin with, then your not really enhancing much.

But since you don't speak the language, I guess you wouldn't know if the lyrics were terrible would you? They could be using profanity and talking about murdering your family, but the rhythm and beat sounds nice. Ignorance is bliss in that case.

And yet as we've proven again and again, the lyrics, while important, aren't the end-all be-all in the judgement of music in general. We can enjoy songs and music without lyrics. There are songs out there that I cannot understand, and yet they carry through via their melody, tone, and composition rather than the lyrics. Hence lyrics aren't part and parcel of the whole musical experience. Hell, people can sing to a tune just by saying "lalalalalalalalalalala" and still sound GOOD.

And... there is no such thing as an authority on "enjoyment": People enjoy what they do enjoy, and no one has the right to say that "I don't enjoy this, and hence you should not". Maybe that's not the actual message, but that is the implication. Hence, even if nutype understands the song more than we do, that doesn't given him the right to suddenly say that our opinions on the song doesn't matter since we're not Japanese. This is not a vocational or a technical field we're dealing with here that has a verifiable authority on the matter: This is people's enjoyment of something. And thus, nutype's opinion on the song is no more valid than the rest of us on the matter.

[Nerroth]

Neat ep - though sooner or later I would actually like to see the Arios and GN Archer do their buy-our-model-kits sales pitch... err, I mean be involved a little bit more.

Can't wait for the rest of the season - and here's hoping for some fun and games when Mr. Bushido and the Arche are back in action!

[Sciel]

Just managed to watch the episode with subs .
-Nena finally does something useful by providing the Ptolemy with the Momento Mori structure layout and distracts Healing long enough for Setsuna to slice off her Gadessa's arm . I imagine China-tan will be a bit pissed off the next episode .
-GN Shield Bits are awesome . Hope they are used more often
-Next episode apparently Setsuna gets seperated from Ptolemy . He'll probably face MrBushido or Ali .

Last but not least , Marine gets ONE line again right at the end -_-; . Looks like she'll be singing in the next episode.

[Marikina]

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

She didn't even bother going out of 00 range (even if she doesn't know how fast 00R can go).

According to the subs, Hilling said that the 00-R's long-range capabilities were supposedly equal to that of the Gadessa, even with the firing rate set at wide beam.

[Kenn]

Spoiler for next epi:

o_O Singing? Is that what I saw? MACROSS?!

@_@ Yay for shield bits and massive marble launcher Seravee

[console65]

Question: How much of a beating did the GN Shield Bits take? And did they produce any GN Field sort of thing?

P.S. And did anyone notice that Colonel Hercules was wearing a federation uniform underneath that coat?

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by console65

Question: How much of a beating did the GN Shield Bits take? And did they produce any GN Field sort of thing?

The shield bits took quite a beating considering the constant fire coming from both the ships,Aheads, and Gn-XIIIs. The use of it would be rendered useless within a short amount of time in the scenario they had. No, they did not produce and field, the bits only form different configuration or use of individual ones for defense. The bits became punctured with damage to the point where a any other extra damage destroys them.

[KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM]

This was an awesome episode

This battle felt to me like the first real victory CB have accomplished since the start of the season.

One of my most favorite scenes was when that silver haired bastard Lindt died. Honestly his deathflag was long over due in my opinion. I just wish that blond fatso was their.

[Freya]

Originally Posted by Sciel

Just managed to watch the episode with subs .
-Nena finally does something useful by providing the Ptolemy with the Momento Mori structure layout and distracts Healing long enough for Setsuna to slice off her Gadessa's arm . I imagine China-tan will be a bit pissed off the next episode .
-GN Shield Bits are awesome . Hope they are used more often
-Next episode apparently Setsuna gets seperated from Ptolemy . He'll probably face MrBushido or Ali .

Last but not least , Marine gets ONE line again right at the end -_-; . Looks like she'll be singing in the next episode.

Who says Wang is gonna be mad? Ribbons just b****slapped her. As long as the outcome to the world is change or whatever she can care less.

Originally Posted by KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM

This was an awesome episode

This battle felt to me like the first real victory CB have accomplished since the start of the season.

One of my most favorite scenes was when that silver haired bastard Lindt died. Honestly his deathflag was long over due in my opinion. I just wish that blond fatso was their.

He'll die soon enough. Not enough minimum character development for him yet.

[Kenn]

Originally Posted by console65

Question: How much of a beating did the GN Shield Bits take? And did they produce any GN Field sort of thing?

P.S. And did anyone notice that Colonel Hercules was wearing a federation uniform underneath that coat?

Spoiler for answers maybe:

@_@ To answer your first question, the bits poofed in purple smoke. I don't think they procude a GN Field since it shows the bits getting beat up by the shots.

[console65]

Originally Posted by Cherudim Arche

The shield bits took quite a beating considering the constant fire coming from both the ships,Aheads, and Gn-XIIIs. The use of it would be rendered useless within a short amount of time in the scenario they had. No, they did not produce and field, the bits only form different configuration or use of individual ones for defense.

Wow. They must really buff them up by drenching them in a lot of GN Particles to withstand that sort of beating. 00's GN Shield can't even handle a short burst from Garazzo's little GN Gun.

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by console65

Wow. They must really buff them up by drenching them in a lot of GN Particles to withstand that sort of beating. 00's GN Shield can't even handle a short burst from Garazzo's little GN Gun.

The trans-am helped a lot in this situation, to resist it for so long. As for the normal performance, maybe it can have a easier time managing the damaged ones. 00 GN shield is merely a coated shield, it wouldn't be as good as the vortex defense with the twin drive, so it would be destroyed easily. Seeing as Garazzo, and Mr. Bushido were able break it with piercing slash and stab projectiles or weapons.

[Knolly]

I'm calling it:

Nena will pilot the GN Archer.

That is all.

But seriously, since she's not about to help the Innovators since they were responsible for her brothers' deaths, and Wang has decided that CB is better off dead, she seems rather likely to join the CB crew pretty soon.

Also this would create plenty of conflict with Saji due to the situation with Louise. Which makes one wonder how she could redeem herself...

Hm...

I'm calling it:

Nena will get killed in the GN Archer by jumping in front of a blast or sword or some nonsense that would have destroyed Louise's Ahead.

[Dream_Traveller]

Though Nena has no relation to Al and Soma is obviously Al's closest pal outside of other CBers, and that the Archer docks with the Arios?

[nutype]

double 120% - thanks for defending my view, there is hope for humanity afterall (gets bricked).

I have the feeling that these people are just arguing with me for the sake of arguing. I'm sure deep deep deep down inside their rational minds there is a voice nagging at them about how wrong they are.

I think if I asked them whether they have a equal understanding of Gundam 00 as the Japanese audiences for example they would probably say they have an EQUAL understanding and are just as able to judge the show because they are provided with subtitles. It's such a pleasant ideal, I can see why this idea is so popular with the denizen of animesuki. Sure you can judge something but stretching that to saying it somehow carries equal weight as any other person is absurd and not very honest. Saying I could understand and judge of Rammstein's music just like the German people is simply being full of it and it needs to be called out. I'll admit that I totally egged them on the entire time so I can't really blame them for jumping on me, I guess I did it for the lulz.

[Freya]

Originally Posted by Knolly

I'm calling it:

Nena will pilot the GN Archer.

That is all.

But seriously, since she's not about to help the Innovators since they were responsible for her brothers' deaths, and Wang has decided that CB is better off dead, she seems rather likely to join the CB crew pretty soon.

Also this would create plenty of conflict with Saji due to the situation with Louise. Which makes one wonder how she could redeem herself...

Hm...

I'm calling it:

Nena will get killed in the GN Archer by jumping in front of a blast or sword or some nonsense that would have destroyed Louise's Ahead.

Why would she pilot the GN Archer? Couldn't it just be on Arios? And it wasn't the Innovators who killed her brothers. It was Ali.

[kk2extreme]

star war ep 4, destruction of death star, hmm... satelite canon destroyed

let the force be with you, lockon

[Revolutionist]

Loved how Setsuna acts all tough while picking on a girl, but when he has to face men like Ali he shits his pants, rages like a little bitch and gets his ass handed to him.