2011-10-13, 11:18 | Link #141 |
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yeah, Tobi has to have Madara's face under that mask
also, maybe the long-haired one with Kisame was actually this edo!Madara and was alive back then did we see a long-haired Madara/Tobi at any point again (other then the first meeting with Kisame and the vs Hashirama fight flashback) ? the one who approached Itachi for the massacre (first mask design) had long or short hair ? I think long ...
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2011-10-13, 11:27 | Link #142 | |
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Did Minato fight the real Madara or Tobi? Which one was it who helped Itachi slaughter the clan? Which one was it who founded Akatsuki in the beginning? |
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2011-10-13, 12:42 | Link #145 |
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Seems unlikely if madara died way back then that he'd know nagato and as far as a prophecy when have they ever named names in one of those. That being said i give up on speculating at least this early though i do still think tobi is madara in some form or another
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2011-10-13, 13:29 | Link #146 | |
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2011-10-13, 15:01 | Link #147 | |
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One really interesting thing is the summoned Madara's age and outfit. Until now all the zombies did look exactly like at the time they died, Chiyo was not resurrected as a young woman at her prime, Nagato was resurrected with white hair, etc. ( sure Sasori is an exception, but a piece of flesh/heart would really look stupid while fighting ). So if this assumption about Edo Tensei is true for Madara then he couldn't have known Nagato. However it was confirmed that he wanted himself resurrected using the rinnegan, he also had EMS, so having all these magical eyes maybe he could manipulate time, maybe not exactly time travel, but something similar. Also Tobi can teleport people to some secret dimension, maybe time flows at a different rate in that special dimension, maybe Nagato was held in that dimension while in the real world decades passed. Madara having the rinnegan is really unlikely, if he had the rinnegan when he fought the 1st hokage he could have won. There has to be a reason why Nagato is an Uzumaki, if the Sage of 6 paths was an Uzumaki then it would explain why would Madara implant eyes into Nagato, because his Uzumaki body would evolve the eye (most likely some EMS eye) into a rinnegan as time passed. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2011-10-13 at 15:16. |
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2011-10-13, 15:02 | Link #148 |
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Perhaps the tobi-Madara was telling the truth about somehow "giving" Nagato the Rinnegan. It would seem the Madaras planned this ressurection thing long ago. Maybe its even something similar to the underworld vampires cycle, where they cycle through ressurections, with on elder "alseep" and two awake.... Something like that anyway, or perhaps when he said he wasn't complete he was speaking literally/spiritually, and needs someone strong enough to become one with the statue and perform the technique.
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2011-10-13, 16:17 | Link #150 | |
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Since the Edo-Madara did know about Nagato, the pieces of the puzzle are starting to come together. Apparently Madara did survive his battle with Hashirama at the VotE. IIRC, he was badly injured from that encounter, yet still managed to obtain the Sage's eyes (Rinnegan) by some manipulation with Hashirama's dna. There is the idea floating around that Madara could have survived his battle with Hashirama by splitting himself into two (as Muu did), and that the half of Madara that died during that battle was the half of Madara's soul that was rezzed by the Edo Tensei, while the surviving half went on to become Tobi. However, since Edo-Madara knew Nagato (as a young kid), it suggests that this is not the case. Madara, or at least part of Madara's soul, must have died when Nagato was a small child (perhaps at the time that the Rinnegan was transferred to him). One thing that bugs me is Edo-Madara's appearance. If Madara was the 2nd Sage of the Six paths, then he should possess the Rinnegan. I suppose the eye concealed under his hair could still be a Rinnegan.
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2011-10-13, 16:33 | Link #151 | |
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2011-10-13, 16:40 | Link #152 | |
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Yes, it's just my assumption, trying to connect the dots. If the Uzumaki are not connected somehow to the rinnegan and so to the sage then i just can't think of any reason why would Madara use an Uzumaki to be the container of the rinnegan eyes. And there are also other less important signs, for example the Uzumaki body being suitable to contain and control demons, the possibility to connect Naruto to the sage seeing how Naruto being in half kyuubi mode starts to resemble the sage which is totally different than the look of other demon hosts when they activate their demon powers. Of course all these can be a coincidence, but it's alwayf fun to make theories |
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2011-10-13, 16:50 | Link #153 |
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Maybe Madara knew he was going to die and ordered Zetsu to create a clone of him and implanted his eyes and memories to the clone. In a way clone Madara is more ''Madara'' than the original since he lived longer . Also this could explain why Tobi's body is weak and Itachi's '' he is just a shell of his former self'' words.
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2011-10-13, 17:39 | Link #154 |
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Based on the actual chapter, it would seem that madara's 'right' eye has been covered by his hair (whether coincidental or planned will see next wednesday). As such i think that madara's right eye was sealed in 'tobi' (which i believe to possibly be one of zetsu's bodies) while his real self was dead.
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2011-10-13, 17:50 | Link #155 |
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After recent OMG in Fairy Tail I thought that I won't get bigger mind blow for long time, I couldn't be more wrong. Seriously it was always something fishy with Madara/Tobi, but to be honest i didn't except something like this. He MUST be Madara or some kind of clone, somehow related to real Madara, there is no other way.
The interesting question is WHEN Nagato received his Rinnengan ? Maybe his past - Dead of the parents and live before meeting Yukiho and Konan, had been just illusion created by Madara/Tobi/Someone? So many unanswered questions. Why Madara is so young here ? Why he knows about Nagato ? Maybe there was someone else named Nagato ? Kishimoto really trolled hard with us. |
2011-10-13, 19:34 | Link #156 | |
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I thought about this too. Does this suggest 2 separate people or some sort of clone spirit split situation?Questions Questions |
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2011-10-13, 20:05 | Link #157 | ||
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We don't know exactly how Madara did it, maybe he used him as a vessel to mix his own occular power -using his own eyes (and I mean his original ones), his EMS or maybe those of another Uchiha- or maybe something different entirely but somehow he managed to "grow" another Sage of the 6 paths ables to use Rinne-Tensei and perhaps to grow a Rinnengan entirely. Quote:
I wouldn't be so sure about Madara not being the "mad scientist" type however. Well ok maybe not mad scientist but take into consideration that Madara apparently went to fight against Shodai to stole his DNA in order to mix it up with his own and that considering his knowledge of Nagato he also had to set up some very complicated schemes over decades in secret to reach his ultimate goal -even beyond death. It's true that looking at him like that in armor, busting out of his coffin in a display of sheer power he looks more like the powerful warlord type, all brawn and no much brain, but it's not quite the whole truth. Far from it in fact. |
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2011-10-13, 20:20 | Link #159 | |
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