2011-02-27, 20:54 | Link #842 |
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This is true, although I think Plus and Zero both had an emphasis on the love story, IMO (Plus, in particular did a good job with the triangle). As for... Macross 7... I don't know what was Kawamori thinking when he thought the Protodeviln were a good idea for antagonists...
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2011-02-27, 21:01 | Link #843 |
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I'm not sure how much weight Macross 7 should be given here. I've read that Kawamori was not heavily involved in that one, but then on the other hand I believe he mentioned the concept of a singer/fighter pilot in an old interview and he is credited with the story concept. Make of that what you will.
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2011-02-27, 21:17 | Link #844 | |
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2011-02-27, 22:01 | Link #845 | |
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2011-02-27, 23:26 | Link #846 | |
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There was no outcome to the war in terms of winning or losing. Both sides gained mutual understanding and ended the conflict. Same with the triangle, at the end Ranka, Sheryl and Alto had solved their personal problems/conflicts by helping each other and understand each others feelings better. There was no winner or loser in the sense of one girl beating the other for Altos affections. SDFM needed a resolution because Minmay and Misa lived in different world and Hikaru could not be part of both their lives. Getting closer to one means drifting away from the other. Alto never had that problem with Ranka and Sheryl as both never seemed out of reach for him. In Newtype nr.7 2008 interview with Kanno and Kawamori is mentioned that no single artists vocals could cover the range of songs planned for Frontier. This problem was solved in the planning stage by creating Sheryl and Ranka as two separate characters. I guess that if either had not been a singer then the pull on Alto could have been stronger. |
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2011-02-28, 05:46 | Link #852 |
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2011-02-28, 08:20 | Link #854 |
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Think the real reason why a lot of Ranka are upset, is because they projected their selves into the character (even though for quite a few I've spoken to her personality was different from their own), and kind of thought her to be audience surrogate (even though she is not) and so expected her to win based on that merit alone, while systematically ignoring the actual events of the series, and logic.
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2011-02-28, 08:44 | Link #855 |
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So Ranka was the big fan favorite but as soon as the first episode aired it was Sheryl?
Also every Ranka and Alto encounter for the majority of the series was only about her, she never tried to understand him at all for the majority of the series until the plot called upon her to do so, was entirely self centered though no intentional at all. Sheryl otoh was the one who actively took an interest in Alto, his dreams and tried to grant them like his wish to fly in a real sky, which she tried to fulfill to the point of collapsing. |
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Adding on to that Ranka also made no effort to really get to know Alto, who knew that she liked him. Nanase even pointed out in episode 11 that Alto seemed to be close to Sheryl, enough so much so she thought they were dating. Ranka didn't adore Alto for who he was because she barely knew him, because she didn't make the extra effort to get to know him. Also its called a Tsundere. Quote:
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Adding in with that I think you are mistaking motivating someone and giving them advice with actually liking them romantically. You don't have to like someone or know them very well to listen to their problems and provide them with motivation. And I'm saying this from experience, as there was time I was ready to give up without trying and total stranger came up to me and told me not to give up, that was the push I needed to go forward. And even then the war against the vajra started in the first episode, so you can't say if there wasn't a war because it was the war that allowed for Alto and Ranka to even get a chance to know his name. Meanwhile even if the vajra never attacked in episode 1 Sheryl probably still would have gotten to know Alto because her earring dropped into his flight suit, when he tried to show off during her concert and failed. Even in the tv series it was implied that he was spending significantly more time with Sheryl than what was shown. Even in the movie the first movie the time they spent together was platonic, and that Alto was only talking to her on a personal level because she was his friend, not because he had romantic feelings to her. Also in the first movie Alto was wholly reluctant to being wary of Sheryl, and avoiding her. Even though Ozma kept on pushing him to ignore her in the end he couldn't. He went against Ozma's orders and went to see Sheryl. Quote:
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Also your timeline is skewed there are two versions of the first episode which aired a year before the actual broadcast of the series. It was first from the Deculture edition that Ranka became popular and was known nicknamed "Nyan Nyan" Last edited by wisteria233; 2011-02-28 at 10:10. |
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2011-02-28, 10:14 | Link #860 |
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Oh maggie...if you could only see what I cannot unsee...
I think I lost some brain cells. @_@ Some of them are even saying the movies are not canon due to how vastly different it is compared to the series. Or that the ending we got in the movie was out of 'fan pressure' and that the real ending will prolly appear in the DVD/BD.
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