2012-10-18, 02:46 | Link #1582 | |
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There really is nothing like Fox on the left, or the conservative viewpoint machine at all really. There's a strong element of propaganda to it, sometimes Orwellian even. This isn't to say that a form of this doesn't exist at all for the left, but I'm not going to play the "both sides do it" card - conservative messaging is simply better run, bigger, more pervasive, and better funded. What I find most disturbing is how Fox and other conservative outlets play the underdog card. They constantly hammer into their audience that mainstream media is liberal and full of liberal bias, even though Fox dominates cable news ratings, conservative books top best seller lists, and figures like Limbaugh and Beck rule talk radio. I'm registered as a Democrat.....but I've received far more flyers, mailings, and robocalls from conservative PAC's who all claim that Obama is the worst President in history. To be honest, this is why news should be boring. I'd like to see these pundit shows called for what they are: editorial content. They're opinion columns, nothing more, but because they can fill airtime and generate ratings, they're everywhere. It's great that these shows, when done with some seriousness, can really dig into issues and hopefully be more informative, but because everything demands "spin" and "narrative", any relevant information has to fight through hearsay first and hopefully not come out distorted in the echo chamber.
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2012-10-18, 03:20 | Link #1583 |
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I am just mad that fiscal conservatism is in danger of dying out in America. That outspoken guy in Europe, Nigel Farage, is every bit a conservative. He demands deregulation, rights, less government control, democracy. But at no stage did I feel Nigel was retarded, or was trying to speak to retards.
I should be on the opposite political spectrum from Nigel, but I still respect him because he makes his case well. Life is difficult in Europe right now. People are suffering. But I don't feel Europeans are dumb. I feel they would vote for the right choice if given the chance to do so. At the very least they would vote for their own interests. And then I turn to America. And all the talk was about "what's important is the presentation, not substance". It is frankly disgusting that it took until THIS MONTH for PBS NewsHour to dedicate a feature on fact checking. What, you never needed to do this before? You are too late.
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2012-10-18, 03:43 | Link #1587 | ||
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It is the naive, the dreamers, those willing to speak up, those desperate enough to fight, to live and die for idealistic hopes of liberty and equality that I would fear. You will whine and sleep; they will fight and take me down. Quote:
Note the rise of Golden Dawn in Greece, for example, or Marine Le Pen and Front national's success in France. Interesting times indeed. Of course, however disturbing their rise, they are not the other half of a major world power's two-party system. |
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2012-10-18, 05:47 | Link #1588 | |
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2012-10-18, 06:42 | Link #1589 | |
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But that assumes intelligence. And as such any democracy that values stupidity above all else, is doomed.
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2012-10-18, 08:22 | Link #1590 | ||
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The point is that the impression you are getting about us in that manner is because we are our biggest critic. We are going to be alright. Quote:
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2012-10-18, 08:31 | Link #1591 | ||
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If you want to stop the people from rising up, keep them divided and fighting against each other. The purpose of mainstream media is to give them false and irrelevant information to divide the masses, while directing attention away from danger i.e. Ron Paul. The presidential debates are exactly that. Two sides who are only pretending to be opponents. They are actually on the same side. There's nobody who becomes US President who isn't a part of the in-group, and however bad people think Bush was, Obama took Bush's every policy and expanded on them. The punch line is that it's not even Obama's decision. He's there as an international mascot. A face to make people happy. Divide and Control. Illusion of choice. Quote:
Whether they assassinate Barack Obama or Ben Bernanke doesn't matter. They're replaceable puppets. The real danger to them is if people wake up to discover the truth of what's really happening in America. If you simply "fight" against those in power, they will laugh at you, just like they laughed at the whole "occupy wall street" joke. Democracy is always a path that leads to totalitarian rule because public opinion is always subject to propaganda. Last edited by monir; 2012-10-18 at 10:10. |
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2012-10-18, 08:37 | Link #1592 |
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@Conspiracy Theorist(s) --
I'm quite confused about this whole idea that mass media is controlled by "The Man" Did Watergate never happen? Did, not after the initial skepticism, the media not do stories on Monica Lewinski? Was Al Gore not shown to be sighing disgustedly during the debates with Bush Jr.? Did the Bushisms not get aired? Just because the media has conflicting desires with regards to profit doesn't mean it's necessarily under the thumb of the government as much as you or anyone think it is. It's funny cause I hear this from EVERYONE. General Population -- "The media just tells us what those in power want us to hear!" Right Wingers / GOP -- "The media is totally all for Obama! That moderator was a crook!" Left Wingers / Dems -- "Fox news is evil! Too much of the media is controlled by the rich elite!" Again, the news and media isn't perfect, there are conflicting and profit motives involved and no one is ever 100% unbiased.. But it's like a statistical sample .. Enough lean in opposite directions and some international sources are bulletproof enough that in the aggregate there's value there. Remember (again): Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity |
2012-10-18, 10:11 | Link #1593 | |
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2012-10-18, 11:41 | Link #1595 |
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That, Kira, was a recording of Mitt Romney's childhood growing up in the deadly streets of L.A. The blonde girl is Hillary Clinton being mugged by a savage young girl belonging to the most bloodthirsty gang around, but thankfully Mitt Romney was around to bravely risk his life fighting the gang member and save poor Hillary.
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2012-10-18, 11:49 | Link #1596 | ||
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2012-10-18, 11:51 | Link #1597 |
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I'm guessing darth means Greek-style direct democracy, where the people come together to vote on each individual law rather than simply electing people to more or less do as they please (ie the United States' representative democracy).
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2012-10-18, 15:02 | Link #1599 | |
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As for the media, its been on a decline for a while but I think the same thing that pushed our culture over the edge has been the final nail in the coffin...pandering to social media trends. |
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