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Old 2016-08-18, 02:55   Link #6501
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I mainly agree with Thorin. The voting process and liberties were an absolute joke.
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Old 2016-08-18, 06:42   Link #6502
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Everytime I see Thorin he is raging about something. If you listen to him you would think that positive things don't exist in e-sports.

Now as for this particular video, he has a point that some of the results are ridiculous.

First of all, best coach of the split is such a BS award. Not to take anything away from the work they do but sooooo much of that is behind the scenes that nobody outside the team will ever know. It's perfectly possible that the coach of Echo Fox did a much better job than the coach of TSM but for outsiders that's impossible to judge. If anything I'd abolish that award.

As for the team awards, if nothing else some of these strike me as ... odd.

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When I look at the votes cast especially in EU it is obvious that some people (LCS casters) had a meeting and discussed who to give their vote for together. Unless it's extremely obvious who the best player was in his role (junglers) the votes should be all over the place between a few candidates. Then some of the votes are just delusional but once you look at their affiliation it becomes very clear why. NRG members voting Ray for top lane or Maxlore for jungle to name a few. If you're not going to be objective then just abstain instead.
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Old 2016-08-18, 08:24   Link #6503
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Thorin is just a manchild who rags on people much younger than him (TSM fans) to earn money. He has no arguments - just hyperbole, no facts supporting said hyperbole or anything resembling intelligent discourse.

I can't believe people watch this shit. Well, I can since its youtube and he's famous on reddit.
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Old 2016-08-18, 10:32   Link #6504
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You take issue with the fact that he's been doing it for over a decade, gets invited to the CS:Go events to commentate, League events to cover, that pros like doing stuff with him and Fnatic really wanted him to be their coach in 2014?

You don't have to like the guy. But don't go telling other people what to think solely because you're miffed he doesn't like your favourite team or you don't like the fact he's older than you.
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Old 2016-08-18, 11:07   Link #6505
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Lol its not about me being a TSM fan (I'm not) its about him spouting shit that he refuses to back up with anything and constantly mocking people who have said nothing to him.

He may be much more knowledgeable about CS:GO but, he can't substantiate shit when it comes to League.

Also, I never even stated how people should feel about him. I just expressed my incredulity.
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Old 2016-08-18, 11:24   Link #6506
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You're comparing him to Tyler1....

Nice attempt at flamebait.
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Old 2016-08-18, 17:15   Link #6507
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That fact still remains that he uses a highly aggressive way to communicate his arguments. He primarily wants to attack something or someone, offering criticism is secondary and being constructive is only tertiary.
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Old 2016-08-20, 18:17   Link #6508
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Old 2016-08-20, 20:48   Link #6509
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i don't have much to say.
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Spoiler for c9 vs imt:

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Old 2016-08-22, 13:05   Link #6510
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Old 2016-08-22, 13:09   Link #6511
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Spoiler for TSM vs CLG:
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Old 2016-08-22, 13:14   Link #6512
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Old 2016-08-22, 16:08   Link #6513
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At the end of the day this whole industry exists to entertain and watching Gragas vs. Rek'Sai in 90% of the matches does little to help with that.
QFT. Regardless of balance patches and team synergy, there are so many champions in the League right now that I doubt people can't find different team comps, or at the very least play other junglers - it's the most independent role after top, but Gragas and Rek'Sai are the sure picks/bans, with a lot of failed Nidalee on the side. Gone are the days of Elise/Evelynn/Lee Sin/Jarvan IV/Vi/Shaco/Udyr, even if some clear faster and engage harder than those two...and I don't think I saw a single match of people jungling Illaoi, she's a beast. What gives?
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Old 2016-08-22, 17:35   Link #6514
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If they copy DotA there will be more diversity. Bump bans up to 4 or 5 and then copy Dota's captain's draft or as riot likes to call it "snake draft". I heard that this is the intended plan for season 7 currently on reddit so I hope they go through with it. They just can't argue with the 106/110 heroes picked / banned in the international 6.

I mean its so bad right now that H2K vs splyce only picked/banned 17 champs in 5 games


Also, I have a lot of problems with the recent mages and adc rework. I felt like they were both suppose to add more specialization but they basically nerfed everything in them over time and haven't dealt with the aftermath. I hope the assassin rework doesn't go the same way
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Old 2016-08-22, 18:44   Link #6515
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Viewership is doing better than ever before according to scarra.

Illaoi has worse ganks than Shyvana. Just play her top lane. As for the others there is no reason to pick any of them (with the exception of Elise). Gragas/Reksai might falls short in one aspect but are equal or better in everything else.

As for updates, the specialization is definitely there even if they nerfed the numbers over time. ADs are all different and so are mages, at least those who were part of the update.

That said I definitely want to see more variety. I don't have the statistics so I am purely guessing but out of currently 132 champions more than half have no or very few games. Certain champions will always be more popular than others but if some of them have 0% pick/ban or close to it then something is wrong. Ideally 100% of champions would have an almost equal amount of games but that will be forever a dream.
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Old 2016-08-22, 21:09   Link #6516
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Hmm... Hotshot said that CLG got beaten fair and square? How admirable of him, even though it's said through clenched teeth. I gotta say, he's improved more this year than all the other years combined. Maybe I don't hate CLG as much anymore...

Still, I personally thought it was bullshit that Sol got banned. Free ban for TSM, as I'm sure they would have banned Sol next game. I wanted them to have more practice against Sol for Worlds, because I've seen it here and there in other leagues, and I don't want Sol to be new Cass that leaves them tilted for the rest of the tournament. If it's played in LCK finals, it's going to see play in worlds unless Riot is real lazy not fixing that bug. Oh well, at least they swept CLG, so there's at least some thing going for them.

Does that mean am I happy with TSM? FUCK NO! Their strategy this patch is to outfarm the enemy just because they have better laners? This is the best they can come up with this major patch? It might be enough against CLG, or even enough to take the crown in NA, but they're so gonna get smashed in worlds if that's their plan going in.

Still, some part in me wants to root for C9. Part of it is because I don't want CLG to be auto-qualified, part of it is because that means TSM would automatically dodge SKT T1 in groups, but mostly because it would force TSM to really re-evaluate the way they play the game. I'm not sure if I can actually do that live though, as watching TSM in the finals here in Canada is probably a once in a lifetime event, especially not with friends who are mostly TSM fans as well. XD
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Old 2016-08-23, 00:04   Link #6517
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Illaoi has worse ganks than Shyvana. Just play her top lane. As for the others there is no reason to pick any of them (with the exception of Elise). Gragas/Reksai might falls short in one aspect but are equal or better in everything else.
She has safer ganks and gets more recalls off a lane if you proc E. I'd rank them equally in TFs. Jungle is one of the areas I've played the most, and honestly, I don't see it. Lee, Vi and J4 gank pre-6, clear fast and do so with a lot of HP left. Post-6, their ultimates offer both damage and utility and their base ability damage is high enough to go offtank with nothing to worry about. I personally detest full-tank junglers, but Rek'Sai and Gragas are usually played just like that...but putting that aside, they both require a lot of skill to use in TFs, especially Gragas, which is why I am honestly surprised at how much attention he has gotten (I'd rather mid than jungle with him). I haven't played a lot of Rek'Sai, but besides the healing and fast moving around, I don't see anything great about her.
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Old 2016-08-23, 05:38   Link #6518
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If she misses her E her gank basically failed and even if she does she still has to kill the spirit to proc the slow. Also her main contribution in team fights is damage but junglers tend to get less farm and thus hampering her ability to contribute even more.

Lee always had the problem of having to make his first ganks count or fall behind. Vi is heavily dependant on her ult to gank. J4 clear speed is atrocious compared to everyone else. Meanwhile both Reksai and Gragas can farm fast, have inbuilt sustain, don't run out of mana or don't use it to begin with, offer reliable cc, are tanky, have decent team fight presence, technically global presence (Reksai), can gank anytime and have a gap closer.

I like J4 and would love to see him played more (or others not named Reksai/Gragas) but right now these two are clearly above the others.
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Old 2016-08-23, 05:58   Link #6519
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Gragas ult affects everyone, that alone makes him a liability. Rek'Sai has 2 movement skills, which leaves her far behind in damage (even more so for burst damage). Vi can gank as easily as Rek'Sai, provided her vaulter lands, much like how Rek'Sai depends on burrow - the ult is there for TF disruption, much like Gragas' ult, except it is a lot safer and unstoppable. Illaoi is not item dependent, as long as she doesn't fall behind in levels, her kit offers considerable damage and she has a powerful built-in heal that truly shines in skirmishes.

I'm not denying Rek'Sai's presence and map control, but Gragas is not strong, he's just plain convenient, because he can heal, dash and throw a barrel. I am genuinely surprised by how much backing he's seen through the years, I'd rather jungle Trundle or bring back Sejuani.

EDIT: J4 clears at 4:10 with 80% HP remaining, how is that atrocious? As far as I can remember, my very best clear time was 3:30 on Udyr, but he's meant to be the fastest jungler. Everyone else makes a round at about 4 minutes too.

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Old 2016-08-23, 06:27   Link #6520
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Riot really needs to step up their game after Valve pulled off the absolute best esports tournament BY FAR in TI6.

Last game of the finals:


Notice within the first minute that the stage is setup in the shape of a Dota map, along with the virtual characters being shown during the pick/ban phase. Importantly, the stage is in the centre of the stadium with the spectators surrounding it on all sides.

You can see and hear Chinese drums being beaten by live performers around 8 minutes in, which adds to the atmosphere, and this also occurs during high-tension moments of the game, particularly during the skirmishes that occur when the teams posture for position before a teamfight is about to happen, or when one team has used the Smoke of Deceit in preparation of a gank.

The skylights above the stage change at around 9:39, lighting the Radiant side of the stage green and the Dire side of the stage red. The flares are fired at 51:05 when the game ends, and the fans cheer with the paraphernalia of their favourite team.

The gameplay is important as well. Throughout the four game series, the winning team played SEVENTEEN different heroes out of a possible twenty, while the losing team played SIXTEEN. Across both teams, a total of THIRTY heroes were played and FORTY-ONE were either picked or banned. Throughout the tournament, 105/110 heroes were picked or banned.

And of course, let's not forget the prize pool. Ti6 had a total prize pool of USD 20.7 million, of which Valve contributed USD 1.6 million while the remainder was crowdfunded through the sale of Compendiums. The winning team walked away with USD 9.1 million.

Riot needs to really make improvements to the way they run their tournaments, as well as improving the champion diversity in the game, otherwise even Worlds will eventually start to fall into irrelevance when people get tired of always seeing the same few champions and strategies being played in every game.
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