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xfuture · 2006-11-22, 22:26

And, you gotta admit...he is slick.

He may well be the smartest character in the series. And if he is not the smartest, than he is definitly the second smartest.

myopius · 2006-11-22, 23:44

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Originally Posted by Rheinhard

A question for the various people on the forum that have made remarks like this:

Would you still be supportive of Light if her weren't so hot and smexy?

If he were, say, a balding overweight otaku doing exactly the same things, would you still feel the same way?

Before it's too late to state this for the record (I would have posted this earlier if my mouse hadn't broke), this query is fallacious/unfair since it's implied that these two questions are the same but rephrased (or at least, people will see it that way) when they're really two different questions. I would ajust for second question to "If he were, say, an ordinary character in an anime", because otherwise people will read it and think, "Oh, that's true, if he were ugly I'd probably have a bad opinion of him". People may be biased against repulsatory characters just as they're biased toward hot ones, so somewhere in between should be what's focused on. Anyway, that's my few cents.

Shabazza · 2006-11-23, 01:04

amazing episode.

I stopped breathing at the time the police officer walked by.

mos2025 · 2006-11-23, 05:41

Ok..... let's get a few things straight

1. I loved this episode, masterful

2. Naomi gave Light "i know it's you" looks, if you payed close attention to her facial expression, but he didn't give away anything too suspicious; example: HE ASKED HER FOR THE BUS INCIDENT DATE AND INFO........even though at the end she should've suspected that he should've known this BECAUSE HE WAS PART OF THE "TEAM"

3. When he came into Headquarters, HE WAS CONTRAGULATED FOR HELPING SOLVE PREVIOUS CASES by both guys at the front desk and NAOMI WAS THERE

4. TOO MANY LITTLE DETAILS THAT GAVE AWAY EVERYTHING

5. Good/Evil..... I won't even comment on this, ALL that posted on this topic should already know the concept.... yes that means you are NOT stupid

6. As stated earlier THERE IS NO PERFECT ANIME/MANGA.......... we are all human after all

Misutaki · 2006-11-23, 09:26

I loved this episode - they did the "whole episode of nothing but talking" extremely well...and when Naomi went off to die, it made me so sad *_* Tragicness.

And now is the point when everyone can say that Light isn't 100% "good natured"...personally I thought once he

Spoiler for a previous episode:

, that he was done being the good guy. But...power ruins the best of minds...

Still, I can't wait for the next episode...I would watch it raw but my Japanese isn't 100% yet, although at this point I know the conversations...hmm...

But yeah, I am overall very pleased with the makers of this anime - they're doing a good job of keeping it close to the manga, and can pull off the endless talking well.

Austin1 · 2006-11-23, 12:08

I don't see why you all are saying how he tricked Naomi isn't possible. He used her emotions to his advantage. You got to remember she was very emotional at this time her fiance just died and here comes a kid you is agreeing with everything she is saying, and then offers her to join the Team. Now, even if he was lying you got to remember if it is true this might be her only chance. With all her emotions flowing and then getting the only chance she will every have to join the team. The hope of it being true and the chance to get revenge was just overwhelming, and I assume most of you have experiences when your emotions have taken the better of you.

Cai Calamigarde · 2006-11-23, 15:05

and she thought that Light was L... Taking any measures fore for their separate ultimate goals... Scary people both are...

hitokirigirl · 2006-11-24, 13:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rheinhard

A question for the various people on the forum that have made remarks like this:

Would you still be supportive of Light if her weren't so hot and smexy?

If he were, say, a balding overweight otaku doing exactly the same things, would you still feel the same way?

To tell you the truth, my fav character is Ryuk

Seriously.

I think Raito is popular because he is such a badass jerk. And that kind of characters are trendy in animeverse, regardless of their physical appearance.

Lilith · 2006-11-24, 13:54

LOL Rheinhard. Regarding your question, I think I agree with myopius. I wouldn't like any of the characters I do if they were ugly. Would any of you like L if he was obese and bald man with diabetes?

Siegfried352 · 2006-11-30, 02:44

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Originally Posted by GUTB_

Killing the FBI agents was completely pointless -- he had a rational motive for killing Naomi, as she posed a real threat to him, but Ray was completely harmless and Light knew that Ray didn't suspect him. If he let Ray live all that would have happened is that Ray would have reported that Light wasn't suspicious and that would be that. But Light went out of his way and put himself in grave danger to just so that he could kill them, and boy was he mightly pleased with himself after the fact. He was just Evil Glee Boy when he wasted Naomi, no contrition, no conflicting emotions, he was so happy he could't help but mock her on her way to grave.

I think you fail to remember "L" is the BEST detective and would catch on if ONLY Ray Penbar was killed. He would've suspected Light off the back because Ray was following ONLY Light. Killing the other FBI Agents makes it possible that these other Agents could've came in contact with Kira. So thats why they haven't jumped to conclusions because they are not 100% sure.

TickTock · 2006-12-01, 23:55

I think a lot of you guys need to get off your peddastools. Just as they said in the manga and the anime, on the surface we try to act just, but from the moment we see someone's face, we judge them. Truth be told, I have no problem with what Light is doing, and most likely, I would do much worse things than he. This anime is wonderfully twisted and tasty. I can't way to see where it goes.

FatPianoBoy · 2006-12-02, 00:17

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Originally Posted by TickTock

from the moment we see someone's face, we judge them.

While that may be true, people generally just judge whether or not they like the person, not whether or not they deserve to live.

Arkwright · 2006-12-05, 03:31

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Originally Posted by Lilith

LOL Rheinhard. Regarding your question, I think I agree with myopius. I wouldn't like any of the characters I do if they were ugly. Would any of you like L if he was obese and bald man with diabetes?

I would still like L. His character just intrigues me; physical appearance would not detract from my appreciation of his thinking process/actions. I'm not so sure about Light though.

Spoiler for later manga + pointless + unnecessarily long analysis:

One thing that got me thinking was Light's "lucky break" at the end of the episode where it starts snowing and Aizawa puts up his umbrella. I used to think of it as a pesky but needed plot contrivance, but after consideration I now think that this was actually most likely a tremendously bad break for Light.

I broke it down among possible scenarios, based on whether Light and Aizawa have ever met, and assuming they remember each other if they have met, considering that Aizawa has probably been trained as a detective in remembering names and faces, and Light can still check the police database for Aizawa's name (am I wrong on this?)

Also, I make some assumptions. If Aizawa sees the two, he either walks by, or stops to talk to them and notices Light's note. Unless he finds out that the name written there is Naomi's real name within the 40 seconds before the Death Note takes effect, he is likely to think Light is simply taking notes on a murder case or the like because he has no idea this is how Kira kills. After those 40 seconds, Naomi's instructions involve avoiding the police, so she wouldn't tell Aizawa anything after that time. So, onto the analysis.

Spoiler for late late manga!:

If they never met: This is actually the worst case scenario for Light, but the least likely to be true because chances are they have met if Light visits the station often enough for the receptionist from a while ago to remember him. Aizawa sees Light and Naomi talking and either keeps walking or reads Light's note. If he reads light's note, he'd probably think Light was taking notes on a murder case or the like. He then moves on and does not reveal his real name to Light as he has just been instructed not to do so in his meeting with L. Aizawa suspects nothing yet, but when he later hears of Naomi going missing with the same cause of death that was written on the paper and sees Light brought in as a suspect, that's pretty much enough evidence to arrest him. On Light's end, he now has been witnessed committing murder, and Aizawa will never reveal his name to Light, especially since he knows Light is suspected, and the trick Light used on Naomi won't work on him as he actually is part of the task force. So, Light is forced to either make the eye trade and kill Aizawa, or let a witness go free who would eventually prove to provide the evidence necessary for arrest.

If they have met and Light remembers Aizawa but Aizawa doesn't remember Light: Light recognizes Aizawa and kills him in the same manner as Naomi, except without witnesses, after Aizawa leaves. Aizawa is dead and so can't provide the information to L's next-in-line that pointed the finger at Light later in the manga.

If they have met and Aizawa remembers Light but Light doesn't remember Aizawa: Aizawa greets Light, knowing him by name. Light figures that he must be from the police since he knows his name but Light doesn't know him, or finds it out from Aizawa directly, finds his name in the database and kills him in the same manner as Naomi. Aizawa is dead and so can't provide the information to L's next-in-line that pointed the finger at Light later in the manga.

Aizawa and Light know each other: Light recognizes Aizawa and kills him in the same manner as Naomi, except without witnesses. Aizawa is dead and so can't provide the information to L's next-in-line that pointed the finger at Light later in the manga.

So, 3 possibilites that were actually good for Light, and 1 unlikely possibility that would lead to Light needing to make the eye trade.

Matrim · 2006-12-16, 19:36

I am very late in this discussion but i just have to get this off my chest before continuing with this series.
The episode was mostly great but even after reading only several chapters of the manga I can't help but feel that as hyped as it is, the storyline of the manga falls short of what Madhouse have achieved, namely the amazing atmosphere of the anime. I think that's the reason I got bored by the manga quickly and yet I am enthralled by the anime. Too bad they didn't choose to make a 20th Century Boys anime but Death Note... The moment when the snow started falling was a moment of genius and beauty, even though I was screaming at the one who came up with the plotline of the manga at the very same moment.
And yes, Naomi's death totally felt like a plot device. As said, you cannot be both smart enough to figure so many things about Kira on your own and stupid enough to spill the beans to a total stranger. And I already hate Light with a passion, if anything can make me stop this series at some point it will be his god-complex and general annoyingness (is that a word?).

Zalith · 2006-12-17, 15:01

I've been lurking for a while, and finally I've decided to come out of my little corner and discuss this anime =P.

This episode was priceless. My favorite episode so far. The scene at the end was just flawless. When she handed over her drivers license to Kira, I almost thought something would go wrong. And when that police officer walked by..my heart skipped a beat. XD.

Also, that exprsesion on her face when he said "That's because...I'm Kira." was so sad.

I personally feel kind of sorry for Misora, but it's not really her fault for trusting Kira. She probably let her feelings overcome her senses and trusted him like that.

Also, that whole ep I was thinking of the shinigami eye deal. I really thought Kira was gonna make the deal =P.

taelrak · 2006-12-25, 20:52

just what is that song they played towards the end called anyway?

Shiroth · 2006-12-25, 20:59

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Originally Posted by taelrak

just what is that song they played towards the end called anyway?

Are you talking about the BGM that plays when Naomi walks away?

If so, its track 22 on the anime OST - titled Dirge.

ginko51 · 2007-02-16, 18:42

I think this episode single handedly made me wanna keep wathcing the show.By far the best episode I've seen so far.

Does anyone know what's the name of theme playing right at the beginning of this episode?(after the opening of course)

I really like it.Is there any Death Note soundtrack yeat?Is that theme included?

Light_Yamagi_Kira · 2009-02-12, 10:32

This is in fact the best episode. Seeing Light's true manipulation ability was awesome! He played it so well and was flawless. The ending was just as great, him saying " I am Kira," and seeing her face, be like 'owned' haha. Kira is god!

Dark Lord · 2009-02-12, 13:48

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Originally Posted by Light_Yamagi_Kira

This is in fact the best episode. Seeing Light's true manipulation ability was awesome! He played it so well and was flawless. The ending was just as great, him saying " I am Kira," and seeing her face, be like 'owned' haha. Kira is god!

The "I am Kira" part was the absolute best IMO! The episode kept you on the edge of your seat wondering how Light would pull it off especially when Naomi starts to walk away from him. Although Light is evil, I still noticed myself hoping he'd make it past this obstacle. That's probably because I wanted the series to continue, though. Naomi is such a smart person but when she heard she could get to L through Light she made the biggest mistake you could make.

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2006-11-23, 05:41	Link #124
mos2025 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia usa	... Ok..... let's get a few things straight 1. I loved this episode, masterful 2. Naomi gave Light "i know it's you" looks, if you payed close attention to her facial expression, but he didn't give away anything too suspicious; example: HE ASKED HER FOR THE BUS INCIDENT DATE AND INFO........even though at the end she should've suspected that he should've known this BECAUSE HE WAS PART OF THE "TEAM" 3. When he came into Headquarters, HE WAS CONTRAGULATED FOR HELPING SOLVE PREVIOUS CASES by both guys at the front desk and NAOMI WAS THERE 4. TOO MANY LITTLE DETAILS THAT GAVE AWAY EVERYTHING 5. Good/Evil..... I won't even comment on this, ALL that posted on this topic should already know the concept.... yes that means you are NOT stupid 6. As stated earlier THERE IS NO PERFECT ANIME/MANGA.......... we are all human after all

2006-11-23, 09:26	Link #125
Misutaki Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006	I loved this episode - they did the "whole episode of nothing but talking" extremely well...and when Naomi went off to die, it made me so sad _ Tragicness. And now is the point when everyone can say that Light isn't 100% "good natured"...personally I thought once he Spoiler for a previous episode: killed the fake L in one of the other episodes on TV , that he was done being the good guy. But...power ruins the best of minds... Still, I can't wait for the next episode...I would watch it raw but my Japanese isn't 100% yet, although at this point I know the conversations...hmm... But yeah, I am overall very pleased with the makers of this anime - they're doing a good job of keeping it close to the manga, and can pull off the endless talking well.

2006-11-24, 13:54	Link #129
Lilith Your average fangirl Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: U.A.E. - Dubai Age: 37	LOL Rheinhard. Regarding your question, I think I agree with myopius. I wouldn't like any of the characters I do if they were ugly. Would any of you like L if he was obese and bald man with diabetes? __________________ I realized I have too many interests/ideas/emotions to convey in one sig.

2006-12-16, 19:36	Link #134
Matrim Naysayer?Fanboy?Wiseacre? Join Date: Dec 2005	I am very late in this discussion but i just have to get this off my chest before continuing with this series. The episode was mostly great but even after reading only several chapters of the manga I can't help but feel that as hyped as it is, the storyline of the manga falls short of what Madhouse have achieved, namely the amazing atmosphere of the anime. I think that's the reason I got bored by the manga quickly and yet I am enthralled by the anime. Too bad they didn't choose to make a 20th Century Boys anime but Death Note... The moment when the snow started falling was a moment of genius and beauty, even though I was screaming at the one who came up with the plotline of the manga at the very same moment. And yes, Naomi's death totally felt like a plot device. As said, you cannot be both smart enough to figure so many things about Kira on your own and stupid enough to spill the beans to a total stranger. And I already hate Light with a passion, if anything can make me stop this series at some point it will be his god-complex and general annoyingness (is that a word?). __________________ 'The world we live in is always in darkness.' 'Yes, and that is why we seek light.'

2006-11-22, 22:26	Link #121
xfuture Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006	And, you gotta admit...he is slick. He may well be the smartest character in the series. And if he is not the smartest, than he is definitly the second smartest.

2006-11-23, 01:04	Link #123
Shabazza transcendental Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany Age: 38	amazing episode. I stopped breathing at the time the police officer walked by.

2006-11-23, 12:08	Link #126
Austin1 Work=FUN!!!1ONE Join Date: May 2004	I don't see why you all are saying how he tricked Naomi isn't possible. He used her emotions to his advantage. You got to remember she was very emotional at this time her fiance just died and here comes a kid you is agreeing with everything she is saying, and then offers her to join the Team. Now, even if he was lying you got to remember if it is true this might be her only chance. With all her emotions flowing and then getting the only chance she will every have to join the team. The hope of it being true and the chance to get revenge was just overwhelming, and I assume most of you have experiences when your emotions have taken the better of you.

2006-11-23, 15:05	Link #127
Cai Calamigarde Memento mori... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Istanbul Age: 35	and she thought that Light was L... Taking any measures fore for their separate ultimate goals... Scary people both are...

2006-12-01, 23:55	Link #131
TickTock Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006	I think a lot of you guys need to get off your peddastools. Just as they said in the manga and the anime, on the surface we try to act just, but from the moment we see someone's face, we judge them. Truth be told, I have no problem with what Light is doing, and most likely, I would do much worse things than he. This anime is wonderfully twisted and tasty. I can't way to see where it goes.

2006-12-17, 15:01	Link #135
Zalith GrimmHime Join Date: Aug 2006	I've been lurking for a while, and finally I've decided to come out of my little corner and discuss this anime =P. This episode was priceless. My favorite episode so far. The scene at the end was just flawless. When she handed over her drivers license to Kira, I almost thought something would go wrong. And when that police officer walked by..my heart skipped a beat. XD. Also, that exprsesion on her face when he said "That's because...I'm Kira." was so sad. I personally feel kind of sorry for Misora, but it's not really her fault for trusting Kira. She probably let her feelings overcome her senses and trusted him like that. Also, that whole ep I was thinking of the shinigami eye deal. I really thought Kira was gonna make the deal =P.

2006-12-25, 20:52	Link #136
taelrak Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006	just what is that song they played towards the end called anyway?

2007-02-16, 18:42	Link #138
ginko51 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	I think this episode single handedly made me wanna keep wathcing the show.By far the best episode I've seen so far. Does anyone know what's the name of theme playing right at the beginning of this episode?(after the opening of course) I really like it.Is there any Death Note soundtrack yeat?Is that theme included?

2009-02-12, 10:32	Link #139
Light_Yamagi_Kira New Debate God. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kanto, Japan. Age: 34	This is in fact the best episode. Seeing Light's true manipulation ability was awesome! He played it so well and was flawless. The ending was just as great, him saying " I am Kira," and seeing her face, be like 'owned' haha. Kira is god!