Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan) - Manga discussion

[Ligerleon89]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

That is really not true. The Jaegerist are preparing for war, the rest of the world still hates them with a passion and for good reasons now. It's only 3 years after the rumbling and they still obviously can't afford to start a war, but they would have started it already otherwise.

There is no upward trend unless the peace talks will succeed, but the story ends before showing that, so whether they do or not is entirely up to your speculation, not a fact.

Spoiler for Final chapter:

I got to agree. Peace doesn't happen so easily, especially after nearly 80% of people got literally curbstomped by gigantic beings that was more or less started by Eren. Even without the power of the Titans, The Marleyians (spelled) wrong and other races are going to hold the Eldians responsible for this. Even if they don't have the means now, they will one day in the future. Hence, The Yeagerist preparing themselves for a future conflict. So Peace Talks are very important here, because those outside of Paradis Island needs to know what the freak happened over there that caused all of this, and be convinced enough to consider stopping the war before it even starts. We don't know how it's going to go since the story ends there.

[grecefar]

ehhh 7/10, normally I'm not that salty for an ending but well... still this was a good long ride, can't deny everything else before just for the ending, but it started to go down for me when marley was introduced.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Historia is still queen, and able to protect the families of her friends. The Jaegerists may be preparing for war, but they're not preparing to invade anyone - without titans, they don't have the means. So, like I said, a tense peace.

The Jaegerists are eventually going to catch up with the rest of the world's technology (if they don't get killed first) so it's only a matter of time until they do start invading.

Is it optimistic to think it'll succeed? Yes, but judging by how easy it was to convince the marleyan soldiers to stand down, how friendly Reiner and Annie are with the rest of them, and the general tone of the last few pages, I have reasons to be. I mean, I don't know my birds, but that white one that put Mikasa's scarf back on, was it a dove?

Reiner and Annie know the rest of them and feel guilt about betraying them. The Marleyans were to quick to stand down when it was end of the world time, will others be so quick now that world has ended and 80% of the population are dead?

I honestly can't believe that. Zero Requiem was more believable.

[El_Negro]

Well that ending was really bittersweet.....

Was this ending a close ending for all major characters involved!? I highly doubt it, the author Isayama likes to leave things open ended and have his readers & fans speculating, personally I don't like it much.
Just give me a clear end-point to all this and be done with it, lol, nonetheless it was a good fun ride all around. Looking forward to whatever future works he has in store.

Spoiler for How it all goes down:

Lemme get this straight, Ymir purposely allowed Eren's Mom to be eaten to start all this mess!? Also with the way things are, the Yeagerist Faction is looking to fill the power vacuum as the world's leading military super-power. As 80% of the world's population is decimated, all Nations outside Paradis is crippled due to the Rumbling, ergo these Nations can only focus on rebuilding and hopefully forging diplomatic peaceful resolutions/negotiations with Paradis. It can happen as we see Annie, Reiner and Pieck along with Armin & Co being ambassadors or diplomats for Marley, going to meet Queen Historia to forge a relationship so it can only go uphill/downhill from there, as Historia stated Paradis will have to fight to survive in a world without Titans.

Spoiler for Hard-luck E/H shippers:

Also really Isayama, just some random Farmer is the father!? (Hell we don't even get a good look at the guy). The Eren x Historia shippers will be pissed, lol but personally I find it odd as it was just used as plot device and nothing more, but too many fans went too deep into it, when the truth was already out there for every one to see, lol.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Endscape

The Jaegerists are eventually going to catch up with the rest of the world's technology (if they don't get killed first) so it's only a matter of time until they do start invading.

Catching up would require exchanges with the outside world. And even if they do, they'll be outnumbered.

Reiner and Annie know the rest of them and feel guilt about betraying them. The Marleyans were to quick to stand down when it was end of the world time,

They stood down after the end of the world, after they had no further use for the Eldians.

will others be so quick now that world has ended and 80% of the population are dead/

I honestly can't believe that. Zero Requiem was more believable.

My point is that it's bullshit they arrived to this point, so I expect more bullshit for some kind of global happily ever after where Paradis somehow makes peace with the rest of the world. (And all that bull is why I'm not happy with the ending.)

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Catching up would require exchanges with the outside world. And even if they do, they'll be outnumbered.

They must have already acquired some stuff by now. Technology won't be improving for at least a generation and the Paradisians have the advantage of a relatively unscathed people and industry.

They stood down after the end of the world, after they had no further use for the Eldians.

The world had basically just ended at that point. People might have been awed by Armin's heroics then, but 3 years after the fact, after having to live with 80% of people being dead.

My point is that it's bullshit they arrived to this point, so I expect more bullshit for some kind of global happily ever after where Paradis somehow makes peace with the rest of the world. (And all that bull is why I'm not happy with the ending.)

If it was all bullshit all along, then the genocide thing just feels meaningless. At least copy Zero Requiem properly.

[bastek66]

Most disappointed people are shippers of Histora and Eren despite nothing ever indicating there is any romance between them. At least with Mikasa there was some blushing from him. Delusions like always.

[Blaat]

A frustrating ending as there are elements I like: Eren being enslaved by his future memories, Levi, Connie and Jean seeing the scouts/Sasha, Eren's "Lelouche plan" not totally working, Eren not wanting to die and most of his conversation with Armin.
But also elements I don't like such as Armin thanking Eren for being a mass murderer , main cast forgiving Eren a little bit too easily, Mikasa suddenly being important to Ymir but we can only speculate on why and the worm disappearing off screen.

At the end I don't think I consider this a GoT level ending, nowhere near as close but it's certainly not a good one.

[The Small One]

What me bothers the most is, that we don't get a satisfying explanation on the origins or the exact working of the titan's power. Instead they vanished as mysteriously as they appeared.

[grey_1960]

Last Chapter
That was a good ending. Sorta sad Eren and Mikasa did not get to live out there lives together but that works. Has for the author he sure knows how to make a genocidal guy(Eren) look like a true hero. Good job ISAYAMA Hajime on that one, but also a good ending.

[Kanon]

After sleeping on it, I'd say this ending was in line with the way the manga has been this past year. For me it all started going downhill after the Rumbling started and at some point I started wishing it would just end already. Well, I finally got what I wanted. I am free!

[Wandering Soul]

Now that I have had some time to think about it, I wouldn't say this is as bad as GOT, but it's still a disappointing ending with some baffling character and plot decisions.

[Ligerleon89]

Spoiler for Final Chapter Thoughts:

Well the author did do what he planned to do. And Eren at least got to accomplish his original objective when this whole Titan thing came about. Get rid of all of them. How he did it, raises questions to me that I can't really just let him slide knowing that 80% of people all of the world paid the price with their lives, most of them never knowing the stuff that was happening beyond their own lives. Even my own speculation comes to certain beliefs that conflict will come around the corner in the future that shows that not everyone is forgiving and forgetting, strong enough to break whatever peace exist. All Eren did was hold something back at bay for who knows how long that will be.

[devilo96]

hell...80% population already gone...if yaeger faction want to start the damn war...maybe they can win...cuz yager faction have that. gas n sword + gun now...but enemy only have a gun and no titan

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Catching up would require exchanges with the outside world. And even if they do, they'll be outnumbered.

That's why they haven't attacked already, and the manga clearly spells out that Paradis might still be completely eradicated.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

They stood down after the end of the world, after they had no further use for the Eldians.

They who? Marley basically no longer exists, all that remains of them is a few Marleyan soldiers that stood at the end. Those might have decided to not kill the refugee Eldians thanks to Armin's intervention who they had just witnessed saving the world, but their decision is of no consequence to the rest of the surviving world.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

My point is that it's bullshit they arrived to this point, so I expect more bullshit for some kind of global happily ever after where Paradis somehow makes peace with the rest of the world. (And all that bull is why I'm not happy with the ending.)

I think you are disappointed that it didn't end with either faction being completely eradicated, but ironically that's what would have led to peace. This ending instead suggests that war will start over again eventually, because that's just how Isayama's bleak vision of the world is: due to human's nature war is inevitable.

[Kanon]

The ending is open enough to let people free to believe what they want. Narration says it won't end until one side is eradicated, but the manga ends with Armin and the others coming to explain themselves in the hope it will lead to peace. Both options are on the table.

[zztop]

Some mangaka have taken to drawing artwork to celebrate Shingeki's final chapter.

1) Miyajima Reiji (Rental Girlfriend)
https://twitter.com/Miyajimareiji/st...415877/photo/1

2) Ishida Sui (Tokyo Ghoul)
https://i.redd.it/9v7s3albo1s61.jpg

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

That's why they haven't attacked already, and the manga clearly spells out that Paradis might still be completely eradicated.




They who? Marley basically no longer exists, all that remains of them is a few Marleyan soldiers that stood at the end. Those might have decided to not kill the refugee Eldians thanks to Armin's intervention who they had just witnessed saving the world, but their decision is of no consequence to the rest of the surviving world.

It contributes to the optimistic mood of the whole thing.

I think you are disappointed that it didn't end with either faction being completely eradicated, but ironically that's what would have led to peace.

Meh. They'd have found some reason to kill each other eventually.

This ending instead suggests that war will start over again eventually, because that's just how Isayama's bleak vision of the world is: due to human's nature war is inevitable.

And where has that bleak vision gone? It's honestly been pretty hard to find since Marleyans and Eldians started forgiving each other and cooperating willy nilly.

Early on, Pixis and Eren talked, agreeing that a big common threat wouldn't be enough to unite people. In the last arc, Eren became a big common threat that united the people. Heck, he wasn't even a threat to Paradis, as such, but his friends still turned on him to join the global "let's kill Eren" effort.

[Ligerleon89]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It contributes to the optimistic mood of the whole thing.


Meh. They'd have found some reason to kill each other eventually.



And where has that bleak vision gone? It's honestly been pretty hard to find since Marleyans and Eldians started forgiving each other and cooperating willy nilly.

Early on, Pixis and Eren talked, agreeing that a big common threat wouldn't be enough to unite people. In the last arc, Eren became a big common threat that united the people. Heck, he wasn't even a threat to Paradis, as such, but his friends still turned on him to join the global "let's kill Eren" effort.

True, however just because the surviving Marley soldiers won't beef with Eldians doesn't mean that others other than them won't find a way to bring the fight to those they believe destroyed their world, even after news dropped that it was Eren that did it. Those who survived the rumbling, someone is going to find a way to avenge their loss, no matter what it takes or how long. It's not the first time somebody would make someone else pay for sins caused by the wrongdoer, in this case Eren.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Ligerleon89

True, however just because the surviving Marley soldiers won't beef with Eldians doesn't mean that others other than them won't find a way to bring the fight to those they believe destroyed their world, even after news dropped that it was Eren that did it. Those who survived the rumbling, someone is going to find a way to avenge their loss, no matter what it takes or how long. It's not the first time somebody would make someone else pay for sins caused by the wrongdoer, in this case Eren.

Yeah. But
- the last pages are about sending a peace mission to Paradis, not an invasion fleet. And they're more worried about the Jaegerists than about the outside world being vengeful, for some reason.
- saying the Eldians are going to get genocided after all is like saying all the Ewoks are going to die and the Forest Moon of Endor is going to be devastated because of the debris of the space battle falling. Without even the justification of solid numbers to run.