2012-06-22, 08:19 | Link #3541 | |
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The beginning of the ending song reminded me a lot on how Fate/Zero ended some of their episodes. I thought the theme of tears was a nice ost to play during his death though. As for the scene itself, I thought it was better overall, though Nicol suffered a bit due to his apparent lack of aim. I hope they don't change Find the Way as the last ending. I really liked that one and thought it fit the series very well.
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2012-06-22, 12:55 | Link #3542 |
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I love it cause it's yet another retcon to make Kira look good and was originally one of the more iconic scenes of the series, or at least Fukuda clearly wanted it to be the number of times they replayed it. It's Mu's helmet all over again. Not sure how they expect us to take this edit seriously or how it's supposed to work with all the stuff that comes after it, but I'd be lying if I said I really care about Seed much anyway.
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2012-06-22, 14:10 | Link #3546 |
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Original: Strike ducked, avoiding Blitz's attack, and in the same motion, swung its sword forward.
HD Remaster: Strike stepped back and to the side, avoiding Blit'z attack, and in the same motion, positioned its sword in front of it. Nichol "swung" first in both cases. |
2012-06-22, 17:45 | Link #3547 |
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More like Nicol missed the strike and embarrassingly ran into the Strike's sword.
Edit: Actually looking at it again, it doesn't look too bad. But I don't understand why they had to cleanse Kira's hands. He killed other Zaft soldiers before Nicol anyway. |
2012-06-23, 01:02 | Link #3549 | |
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But anyway, like I mentioned before, I get what they're trying to do. The point is Kira didn't really want to kill anybody at that moment. That's why Kira got frustrated right after that scene, slamming his hands, and then he was sulking the next episode. In the original, that reaction didn't make sense since Kira actually swung the sword. The problem is in the execution. Like you said, it made it look at first glance like Blitz intentionally ran itself toward the sword while missing Strike. They should've done that scene at a faster pace and maybe with a different angle so that it's clear that, in trying to stab the Strike, Blitz ran too far ahead and Strike, in trying to protect itself, instinctively put the sword between it and its enemy. |
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2012-06-23, 01:46 | Link #3550 | |
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2012-06-23, 15:15 | Link #3551 |
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Nicol's death is now pure lolz!
What made the original death scene so good is the fact that Kira killed him out of impulse. It's was a split second reaction. In both cases it was still an accident, but now it's just looks silly. In the original version Kira swung the sword towards Blitz and his reaction after Nicol's death made perfect sense, it's an important moment when Kira realizes what he has become. But now when Kira has that reaction it doesn't have the same effect. Now it looks like he is just chewing the scenery (overacting). And this will also make the next fight less intense. In the original episode you can clearly see that Kira is fed up with the ZAFT pilots and Athrun. You can see that in the way how he fight them in this episode... Deep down he wants to kill them but He doesn't have the courage to do that, so he fights at his best to make them 'go away'. Killing Nicol is a direct result of this. Kira wanted to kill athrun not only because of Tolle, but also out of frustration.. all those little things that have been building up inside Kira since the first episode, he let it all out in the final battle against Athrun. And it's the same for Athrun, it wan't just because of Nicol's death but also because of how frustrated he was with Kira. Kira's willingness to fight against his own people and against him, and fighting for the enemy who killed his mother. In the original version both of them had a little different but equally good reasons to kill one another, but now it doesn't feel equal. And as for the new Ending, I approve! Good to know that Fukuda hasn't lost his taste for good music. The original 2nd ending "River" by Tatuya Ishii wasn't bad at all, but it was sandwiched between two of the greatest ending songs ever. But this new one is a worthy replacement. BTW, this song is by FictionJunction. They made their debut with an incert song for Gundam Seed, the fact that they are willing to work on Seed after all those years speaks volume. I guess despite all those nasty rumors (Yes, that's what they still are) about the voice actors, the musicians apparently had a great time working on Seed and Destiny. And it shows, since Seed and Destiny have the best couple of OST's in all of Gundam.
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2012-06-23, 18:06 | Link #3552 | |
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as for the episode i think the old music was better it made it feel epic, as for nicol death im okay with this new scene.
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2012-06-23, 20:15 | Link #3555 | |
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In the original series, no matter what anyone say, Kira still made the decision to swing his sword towards Blitz. Now, he didn't, but it still cost a life. His reaction, I think, would make more sense now. EDIT: Ah, sorry for the double post. |
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2012-06-24, 15:32 | Link #3558 | ||
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You are the one making excuses and trying to make Shinn a God because some group of people call and think that Kira is a God? It makes no sense, Shinn did beat Kira in Freedom vs Impulse but dont you try to take away the fact that Kira took out 2 silhouttes in that battle and could have killed Shinn, Dont discard facts because it fits you. Saying that the Orb fight didnt end in anyones favor is simply not true, Kira literally showed Shinn that he had him, God sakes, Shinn himself said that he would already be dead if those would have been beams, showing that he himself knew that Kira had his life in his hands. I find it really sad that you pick and choose what fits you and discard everything else, Shinn DID beat Kira in Freedom vs Impulse so I agree with you on that but dont try to make it look like Shinn is a better pilot because of that 1 battle (which was also unfair as Kira did not want to fight against ZAFT). "so as far as the show is concerned Kira lost to Shinn" - Shinn did get the better of Kira in that one battle, but Kira had gotten the better of Shinn about 3 times. |
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