Romance in Code Geass (Take 3)

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Avira

Yeah you are absolutly right
I try my best, but it's apparently not enough. Still, no matter what I am a C.C. and C.C.xLelouch fan and nothing can change that!!


So Narona and Eliarine you guys are french? He cool, I live pretty close to France(soulth Germany)

Nothing can change that.... But you know, it might not happen.

Yes I am. To be fair, I'm only 50% French, but I live in France

Originally Posted by Eliarine

You know, I really don't care that much about romance in this series. But the reason I used to try and defend SuzakuxKallen is mainly that if there's one thing that annoys me in fandom, it's people who think they know everything that will happen. No one here is part of the staff as far as I know, so we're all entitled to our opinion and can speculate all we want.

@ Narona & Avira: Yay for Europe! \o/ Et vive la France 8D

We can say that everything can happen but Suzaku x Kallen isn't developed at all and for now there is no sign of a possible romance between them.

Vive la France... c'est vite dit

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Wouldn't it be easier to say she had some sort of mental breakdown or something that reduced her to the mindset of a child?

Well, considering they won't have any pesky familial registration to go through, with the revolution having surely destabilized the government of Japan by then, that could work too.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Var

Tianzi isn't from god knows what past century, nor is Xing-ke chasing her skirt, so to speak.

Are you sure about that? She was raised in a pretty traditional setting without seeing much of the outside world in a closed off environment. And what, are you calling Lelouch a playboy now?

[miroku2192]

Originally Posted by Narona

Nothing can change that.... But you know, it might not happen.

Yes I am. To be fair, I'm only 50% French, but I live in France



We can say that everything can happen but Suzaku x Kallen isn't developed at all and for now there is no sign of a possible romance between them.

Vive la France... c'est vite dit

man thats a shame, i stopped taking french...i only remember a little though, i wish i could pick it up again :X, you should teach me sometime! (bonjour! comment ca va? ma francais est tres mal...j'etudie francais a ma l'ecole) - i already forgot past tense oh well

anyway back onto topic, what do you mean lulu can't have a good relationship with C.C.? he could always have a sense of guilt down inside and that might make him wnat to be with her even more...plus it'd just be bad for her to let her go out and get taken advantage of by some weird britannian guy...she's living in like the 1500s haha, if i were lulu i wouldn't be able to bring myself to just toss her out

[Var]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Are you sure about that? She was raised in a pretty traditional setting without seeing much of the outside world in a closed off environment. And what, are you calling Lelouch a playboy now?

Tianzi was educated, CChi was not. Tianzi led a proper life with everything necessary to develop at least some semblance of maturity, CChi did not. Tianzi and Kaguya, while children on the outside, were raised to be leaders. Their level of maturity is levels above what one would find in a slavegirl who lived by the whims of a master.

Originally Posted by miroku2192

anyway back onto topic, what do you mean lulu can't have a good relationship with C.C.? he could always have a sense of guilt down inside and that might make him wnat to be with her even more...plus it'd just be bad for her to let her go out and get taken advantage of by some weird britannian guy...she's living in like the 1500s haha, if i were lulu i wouldn't be able to bring myself to just toss her out

As it stands, he's not romantically involved with a grown woman, he's taking care of a child. He's not going to toss her aside, but he's not going to try to make moves on her either. If it lasts long enough, as in CChi exists long enough, the relationship is likely to become familial more than romantic. CChi is in the mindset of a ten year old that never experienced familial love, which is likely what she will find in Lelouch as I don't see a ten year old gunning for romance. And so, that is why I am all for a KallenxLelouchxCChi ending.

[Micante]

I always got the intention that Tianzi was raised more to be the figurehead and a puppet than a leader. I mean, the Eunuchs sure didn't bother teaching her any indepedant leadership thinking skills. I'm not sure anything was said about Kaguya's leadership skills, but I'll just take your word for that.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Var

Tianzi was educated, CChi was not. Tianzi led a proper life with everything necessary to develop at least some semblance of maturity, CChi did not. Tianzi and Kaguya, while children on the outside, were raised to be leaders. Their level of maturity is levels above what one would find in a slavegirl who lived by the whims of a master.

Okay, that's nice, now tell us how you really feel Var

Seriously though, I'll give Moe!C.C the benefit of the doubt depending on how the interaction with Lelouch plays out, I think he should be able to handle this well enough for the option to still be considered, and quite favorably as a matter of personal opinion

[Var]

Originally Posted by UnnamedPhenemenom

I always got the intention that Tianzi was raised more to be the figurehead and a puppet than a leader. I mean, the Eunuchs sure didn't bother teaching her any indepedant leadership thinking skills. I'm not sure anything was said about Kaguya's leadership skills, but I'll just take your word for that.

A figure head still needs to be competent and able to command respect, otherwise its pointless. We've seen that she knows her place in society, and she can act 'adult-like', for instance during her wedding.

As for Kaguya, we saw how sharp and politically savy she is.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by UnnamedPhenemenom

I always got the intention that Tianzi was raised more to be the figurehead and a puppet than a leader. I mean, the Eunuchs sure didn't bother teaching her any indepedant leadership thinking skills. I'm not sure anything was said about Kaguya's leadership skills, but I'll just take your word for that.

Lulu probably hoped that Tianzi had some leadership education, that's why he tried to negotiate with her. Much to his surprise, she barely has any ability to understand what he was trying to tell her.
Not all lolis are like Kaguya, much to Zero's disappointment.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Lulu probably hoped that Tianzi had some leadership education, that's why he tried to negotiate with her. Much to his surprise, she barely has any ability to understand what he was trying to tell her.
Not all lolis are like Kaguya, much to Zero's disappointment.

I'm pretty sure that had a good bit to do with her being afraid of Zero, and having just had a gun held to her head.

[morbosfist]

She says herself that she's not too good with such discussions. Unlike Kaguya, her having knowledge of the political landscape wasn't necessary.

[Micante]

Why would the Eunuchs bother on educating her on how to be a leader though? Doesn't that kind of risk the Eunuchs losing their power? I don't think Li had time to educate Tianzi, heck, from what we know, they might not even have met face to face since that promise was made and until the wedding incident.

Tianzi probably just got a bunch of highly expensive tutors thrown at her that made sure she learned nothing of the outside world.

[Var]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

She says herself that she's not too good with such discussions. Unlike Kaguya, her having knowledge of the political landscape wasn't necessary.

Originally Posted by UnnamedPhenemenom

Why would the Eunuchs bother on educating her on how to be a leader though? Doesn't that kind of risk the Eunuchs losing their power? I don't think Li had time to educate Tianzi, heck, from what we know, they might not even have met face to face since that promise was made and until the wedding incident.

Tianzi probably just got a bunch of highly expensive tutors thrown at her that made sure she learned nothing of the outside world.

Hum, good points. Alright, I'll concede the ability to exist on the political stage. Though she is likely still educated far more than a slave girl.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Var

Hum, good points. Alright, I'll concede the ability to exist on the political stage. Though she is likely still educated far more than a slave girl.

Hey, whose probably the best tutor you can find? That's right, Lelouch

[Micante]

Comparing her education with C.C.'s education is kind of onesided. Not only does Tianzi have money to afford it, she lived in a more technological advanced time where education was mandatory and the methods taught were more efficient.

We don't know where or when C.C. came from. For all we know, she could have been a poor prodigy.

Oh yeah, why are we even discussing this?

EDIT: @KS: Lelouch will sleep in class, even if he is the teacher. That's just the way of the Geass.

[Var]

Originally Posted by UnnamedPhenemenom

Comparing her education with C.C.'s education is kind of onesided. Not only does Tianzi have money to afford it, she lived in a more technological advanced time where education was mandatory and the methods taught were more efficient.

We don't know where or when C.C. came from. For all we know, she could have been a poor prodigy.

Oh yeah, why are we even discussing this?

The reason I compared them, really, was that I believe that a child's education influences how fast they grow and how they grow. Someone like CChi who had no proper upbringing would not grow or mature nearly as fast as someone who has, in general.

That is what we were discussing, mostly.

[miroku2192]

Originally Posted by Var

Tianzi was educated, CChi was not. Tianzi led a proper life with everything necessary to develop at least some semblance of maturity, CChi did not. Tianzi and Kaguya, while children on the outside, were raised to be leaders. Their level of maturity is levels above what one would find in a slavegirl who lived by the whims of a master.



As it stands, he's not romantically involved with a grown woman, he's taking care of a child. He's not going to toss her aside, but he's not going to try to make moves on her either. If it lasts long enough, as in CChi exists long enough, the relationship is likely to become familial more than romantic. CChi is in the mindset of a ten year old that never experienced familial love, which is likely what she will find in Lelouch as I don't see a ten year old gunning for romance. And so, that is why I am all for a KallenxLelouchxCChi ending.

haha that's a good point, i got confused when someone said "to have c.c. as a kid"...i was like what? kallen and lulu make babies = c.c.? that doens't make sense

lol thanks for clearing it up...but that is a plausible ending...didn't the director say that lulu was going to get a good ending this time lol

[Micante]

Originally Posted by Var

The reason I compared them, really, was that I believe that a child's education influences how fast they grow and how they grow. Someone like CChi who had no proper upbringing would not grow or mature nearly as fast as someone who has, in general.

That is what we were discussing, mostly.

It's hard to really compare the maturity level of Tianzi and C.C.rewinded since although Tianzi has an obvious education advantage, that's about where her maturity ends. C.C., on the other hand, has had to know the hard ship of work as a small child and understands the misgivings of the world better due to what we've seen of her lifestyle. I guess it's just someone's opinion on what truly defines maturity, in the end.

[cicido]

Originally Posted by UnnamedPhenemenom

It's hard to really compare the maturity level of Tianzi and C.C.rewinded since although Tianzi has an obvious education advantage, that's about where her maturity ends. C.C., on the other hand, has had to know the hard ship of work as a small child and understands the misgivings of the world better due to what we've seen of her lifestyle. I guess it's just someone's opinion on what truly defines maturity, in the end.

QFT



And also, I heard that:

Spoiler for Kind of a ep16 spoiler:

Lulu is giving C.C. a ring

[Micante]

Alright, I'm just going to say something completely different now.

Am I the only C.CXLelouch fan that found it immensely satisfying that C.C. chose Lelouch over her contract in the end? All this time, one of the biggest arguments about C.C.XLelouch was that she was only in it to the contract. Take that contract! You've been beaten down to the ground and forgotten! Don't try to deny it by saying something like C.C. only pushed Charles away because he was trying to cop a feel >.>.

I want my old C.C. back if just to see how she would react when Marianne or Lelouch ask about how she screwed the contract over for Lelouch.