[PS3/PSV] Dragon's Crown

[kyouray]

Boxart is normal (but Sorceress's set in back!). Artbook's cover is great and I hope it'll be offered here.

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by Vigo

DC JP boxart and artbook cover

Very good, blocks out all of the exageration pretty well. Amazon's legs are hidden, Sorc is turned so you can't see the gigantas and the knight guy's lower body isn't shown.

[Xefi]

^ they're trying SO hard to hide that boobs and a$$, i see.
well, at least the knight, dwarf and elf can show their manliness in the cover. did
i just included the elf in the manliness? oops. :P

Originally Posted by kyouray

Boxart is normal (but Sorceress's set in back!). Artbook's cover is great and I hope it'll be offered here.

NA will probably be screw over artbook anyways, but i dont really care much of it.
i'm not as collective as i was before since my room is getting too cramp to
even have an artbook put in.
i regret buying the collector edition of Hyperdimension V. that lunch box was SO
big, i dont have space for anything else anymore. stupid lunch box of DOOM.

and i pre-ordered mine @ amazon. so i probably not going to get the artbooks and stuff. oh well,
just having the game to play is more than enough for me. bring on the ELF & Amazon's butt!

EDIT: i completely forgot about the wizard dood. his presence is so HUGE, i cant see a thing! ^^;

[kyouray]

Gearbox Artist trashes Dragon’s Crown art style. So much polemic because of two mountains. I'm starting to believe in synaesthetic's streisand effect theory.

Originally Posted by Xefi

NA will probably be screw over artbook anyways, but i dont really care much of it.
i'm not as collective as i was before since my room is getting too cramp to
even have an artbook put in.
i regret buying the collector edition of Hyperdimension V. that lunch box was SO
big, i dont have space for anything else anymore. stupid lunch box of DOOM.

and i pre-ordered mine @ amazon. so i probably not going to get the artbooks and stuff. oh well,
just having the game to play is more than enough for me. bring on the ELF & Amazon's butt!

I know what you mean. I don't know where to put my new items
However I mostly want this artbook for the gorgeous pictures since I love the art, not much for the collective aspect though it will probably be scanned I think.

[Xion Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by kyouray

Gearbox Artist trashes Dragon’s Crown art style. So much polemic because of two mountains. I'm starting to believe in synaesthetic's streisand effect theory.

It's amazing that the Gearbox comment is even more immature than the kotaku one. They should probably look at their own female designs for Duke Nukem Forever and Borderlands. Not to mention that whole controversy regarding 'girlfriend-mode' regarding BL2.

[darkchibi07]

Originally Posted by Xefi

NA will probably be screw over artbook anyways, but i dont really care much of it.

I wouldn't count out Atlus USA yet. They're pretty damn good when it comes with physical. They might include as a Gamestop preorder exclusive or pack it in as an LE along with the game's soundtrack.

[Kyero Fox]

Wow that's pretty pathetic, anyone who calls someone gay for not liking sex appeal of a female character needs to be shot in the foot.

[kyp275]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Wow that's pretty pathetic, anyone who calls someone gay for not liking sex appeal of a female character needs to be shot in the foot.

Except he didn't, but that didn't stop that sad excuse of a game journalist from framing it that way, who btw started the whole mess out of nowhere by going "lololol boobs u must be 14 yr old lololol"

And really, if that warrants someone being shot, then I say bandwagon whiteknights also deserves to be shot

[Duo Maxwell]

I rate those that are upset at sex appeal as high as those that know nothing but sex appeal. Both are equally bad since the only thing they see is sex appeal.

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by kyp275

Except he didn't, but that didn't stop that sad excuse of a game journalist from framing it that way, who btw started the whole mess out of nowhere by going "lololol boobs u must be 14 yr old lololol"

And really, if that warrants someone being shot, then I say bandwagon whiteknights also deserves to be shot

Aaah okay, then HE needs to be shot in the foot! XD

[defki]

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Wizard time.

[synaesthetic]

Immaturity abounds, apparently.

Making a character with Gag Boobs larger than her head that bounce and roll and jiggle at the slightest motion is immature. And also stupid, unappealing and borderline vomit-inducing.

Mocking that character purely for pagehits and ad revenue is also immature.

Responding with a "lol u no liek tits ur a fag" is immature.

Defending the original immaturity without any ground to stand on is immature.

Honestly I'm not offended by Vanillaware's art. I'm disgusted by it. It looks hideous. It looks like it was all done by a mentally deranged teenage boy who has never seen a real woman naked in photos, much less in person. It's not just sexual objectification, it's objectification taken so far up to eleven that it wraps around into self-parody. It's so "sexy" that it stops being sexy and becomes grotesque, repulsive and ugly. It's so over-the-top I can't even begin to try and ignore it, which means the game is an automatic no-sell. I managed to play Bayonetta, for fuck's sake, and it's already edging into the "so sexualized it's not sexy" territory, but I can't play this game.

From a business perspective, though, it was a pretty smart move. Fanning the flames of the controversy was even smarter. Now the game has infamy. Any publicity is good publicity if you've got a good marketing team.

They'll probably make even more money off this now than they ever would have if Kotaku guy and Gearbox guy hadn't started this shitstorm. Nice job breaking it, hero!

[Jazzrat]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Immaturity abounds, apparently.

Making a character with Gag Boobs larger than her head that bounce and roll and jiggle at the slightest motion is immature. And also stupid, unappealing and borderline vomit-inducing.

Defending the original immaturity without any ground to stand on is immature.

I'll stay being immature if that's the case cause your definition of maturity stinks of homogenization and sounds like the death of any creative industry. I feel bad for Kamitani because instead of discussing about his art, people are resorting to name calling and among all the other excellent design he did over the years, it's the big boobs that gets the attention of all these so-called matured "critics".

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Immaturity abounds, apparently.

Making a character with Gag Boobs larger than her head that bounce and roll and jiggle at the slightest motion is immature. And also stupid, unappealing and borderline vomit-inducing.

Mocking that character purely for pagehits and ad revenue is also immature.

Responding with a "lol u no liek tits ur a fag" is immature.

Defending the original immaturity without any ground to stand on is immature.

Honestly I'm not offended by Vanillaware's art. I'm disgusted by it. It looks hideous. It looks like it was all done by a mentally deranged teenage boy who has never seen a real woman naked in photos, much less in person. It's not just sexual objectification, it's objectification taken so far up to eleven that it wraps around into self-parody. It's so "sexy" that it stops being sexy and becomes grotesque, repulsive and ugly. It's so over-the-top I can't even begin to try and ignore it, which means the game is an automatic no-sell. I managed to play Bayonetta, for fuck's sake, and it's already edging into the "so sexualized it's not sexy" territory, but I can't play this game.

From a business perspective, though, it was a pretty smart move. Fanning the flames of the controversy was even smarter. Now the game has infamy. Any publicity is good publicity if you've got a good marketing team.

They'll probably make even more money off this now than they ever would have if Kotaku guy and Gearbox guy hadn't started this shitstorm. Nice job breaking it, hero!

Real?

We've got magic, mythical creatures, and out of all that, a fictional female character is what grabs your attention as unrealistic?

Jesus, people can have double standards for everything just to make an argument, can't they?

[synaesthetic]

Originally Posted by Jazzrat

I'll stay being immature if that's the case cause your definition of maturity stinks of homogenization and sounds like the death of any creative industry. I feel bad for Kamitani because instead of discussing about his art, people are resorting to name calling and among all the other excellent design he did over the years, it's the big boobs that gets the attention of all these so-called matured "critics".

dafuq did I just read

the stupid, it burns

Also I might add, I find it hilarious that I am only allowed to have an opinion if it is the same opinion as the fanbois. I'm sorry, but that is hypocrisy in the extreme.

[Soliloquy]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

dafuq did I just read

the stupid, it burns

Also I might add, I find it hilarious that I am only allowed to have an opinion if it is the same opinion as the fanbois. I'm sorry, but that is hypocrisy in the extreme.

No it's not that anyone said that you aren't allowed to have an opinion. We just noticed people like yourselves kind of say way too much sort of implying that anyone who likes that design or ladies with boobs out of proportion are mentally deranged teenage boy or potential sex offender. It sounds almost like we should feel bad or ashamed for liking it. It's internet so it's no big deal but sometimes I don't know... people just says anything without thinking like that environmental artist from Gearbox Software. Having opinions are good but saying those jabs just because you can are also immature.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Also I might add, I find it hilarious that I am only allowed to have an opinion if it is the same opinion as the fanbois. I'm sorry, but that is hypocrisy in the extreme.

Stop playing the victim card. It doesn't work.

There's nothing wrong with disliking the art style. It's not for everyone, nor does it have to be.

What is wrong however is when you state your opinion as if it's a fact, like as if the artist is intentionally degrading women for the sole purpose of social propaganda.
Yet, somehow you and many others are perfectly fine with the Warrior's disproportionate stick of a lower body. I don't see any complaints about him looking like a steroid abusing bodybuilder, giving people the wrong idea about men. Gee I wonder why?
You are right: there is definitely some hypocrisy somewhere.

[synaesthetic]

Don't be disingenuous. If you had read my other posts on the subject, you would know that I take objection to ALL of the art. The sorceress is just the worst of the bunch, with the amazon coming in at a close second.

The wizard is the only one who looks even remotely close to appealing on a design level.

Additionally, nowhere once did I say that this was a "conspiracy of the patriarchy." I do not believe that the artist is trying to do anything but make money.

That said, the art is still hilariously grotesque and repulsive, and even if it's unintentional, it still perpetuates offensive double standards.

It's okay to sexually objectify a woman and turn that up to eleven, but the man? Nope, can't objectify him at all. Instead, he gets to be a hulking wall of muscle and be an empowerment fantasy!

Seems a bit unfair. Where's the sexy bishonen mancandy for the ladies, hmm? Most girls don't find roided-out musclefreaks to be sexy, you know, nor do they find hilariously floppy Gag Boobs to be empowering.

And ya'll wonder why there aren't more female gamers... I swear, maybe this has something to do with it?

[kyp275]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Also I might add, I find it hilarious that I am only allowed to have an opinion if it is the same opinion as the fanbois. I'm sorry, but that is hypocrisy in the extreme.

because labeling everyone who disagrees with you as "fanbois" isn't doing exactly the same thing you're accusing them of doing

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Making a character with Gag Boobs larger than her head that bounce and roll and jiggle at the slightest motion is immature. And also stupid, unappealing and borderline vomit-inducing.

that's your prerogative, but your opinion =/= objective fact.

Defending the original immaturity without any ground to stand on is immature.

double standard again, apparently only your subjective viewpoint is valid, while others are baseless.

Honestly I'm not offended by Vanillaware's art. I'm disgusted by it. It looks hideous. It looks like it was all done by a mentally deranged teenage boy who has never seen a real woman naked in photos

"Hey, I'm not saying I agree with the hyperbolic vitriol by kotaku, I'm just saying the same hyperbolic vitriol as kotaku".

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

The wizard is the only one who looks even remotely close to appealing on a design level.

The elf(and I) objects!

That said, the art is still hilariously grotesque and repulsive, and even if it's unintentional, it still perpetuates offensive double standards.

I see no double standards, much less offensive ones. The hyper-stylized design was applied to both gender, human and nonhuman, organic and inorganic, even the title text was not spared. Also, the only two normal PC constitute both a male and a female, it doesn't get anymore equal than that.

It's okay to sexually objectify a woman and turn that up to eleven, but the man? Nope, can't objectify him at all. Instead, he gets to be a hulking wall of muscle and be an empowerment fantasy!

The double standard here is that making a women sexy is automatically objectifying her, but making a man a hulking wall of muscle is automatically empowerment fantasy, which IMO is itself a sexist view.

I don't find the sorceress sexy, nor do I find the fighter or dwarf "empowering"

Seems a bit unfair. Where's the sexy bishonen mancandy for the ladies, hmm? Most girls don't find roided-out musclefreaks to be sexy, you know, nor do they find hilariously floppy Gag Boobs to be empowering.

feel free to head over to your nearest otome game aisle. And I just want to stress this again, many guys also don't find roided-out msuclefreaks to be empowering, nor hilariously floppy gag boobs to be sexy.

And ya'll wonder why there aren't more female gamers... I swear, maybe this has something to do with it?

gaming is still a relatively new entertainment medium, one that started and grew primarily as a male-oriented venue. Just because it's becoming more mainstream doesn't mean that's going to change overnight. Hell, not 10 years ago it wasn't even looked upon favorably for MALES to be associated with video games (and in many cases still remains so).

Social trends and values have FAR more to do with how gaming is viewed by either genders than the size of boobs in some video games. My sister, or any other non-gaming female friends of mine are usually interested in browser/puzzle games at the most as casual distractions, and have zero interest in traditional games period. Boob size of imaginary characters didn't turned them away from gaming, they were never interested in it in the first place.

[xizro345]

Now what I'm hoping that all this mess doesn't translate in changes in the NA/EU version (not to mention Atlus STILL hasn't clarified the region lock issues... I'm very wary since the Mayonaka Arena mess and what happened to the P4 anime NA BDs...)