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Perfect 10 | 12 | 19.35% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 26 | 41.94% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 20 | 32.26% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 6.45% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-08-07, 08:10 | Link #61 |
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Just ignore FredFriendly, he's definitely a troll. He started accusing me of being a sexist and decided to go on a moral crusade at me for using the word "asshole" on the Tari Tari thread when I was describing the music teacher couple of episodes back.
Anyways, regarding the ep. Yeh, I do agree that Hyouka is starting to drag again like it did with the Eba arc, and the Mayaka being bullied is starting to drag as well. This is like what the 3rd episode it's shown that now with close to nothing being done about it? I'm also starting to get really sick of Chitanda now. Out of all the characters, she has hardly developed throughout the 16 episodes. Same curious beaver attitude, same somewhat "moeblob" antics and the same gags (dem purple eyes) used over and over again. It's getting quite old now. Should stop the Manzai like repetitive gag comedy Kyoani. The only thing that has developed is some subtle romance between her and Oreki, but Oreki is too damn lazy to care . Chitanda: Oreki-san... do you want to go out with me? Oreki: That's not a very energy conserving activity though? Chtanda: But I'm curious Oreki-san! Oreki: I'ma do very adult things to you if you do. *Chitanda's purple eyes suddenly dim* On the flipside, the male characters continue to get significant development, particularly Satoshi. He's starting to get really frustrated and I wouldn't be surprised if he actually snaps at some point and punches Oreki in the face or something. Though close friends, he clearly envy and despises Oreki's "lazy" attitude despite having massive talent in the analysis department. Untapped talent in other words. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2012-08-07 at 08:28. |
2012-08-07, 10:54 | Link #62 | |
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Certainly something to be worried about with Chitanda bringing more on to his plate, but some of those things are related. She helps bring in more pieces and having more useful things to consider does help. They probably won't figure this all out until the whole group comes together to consult. Think Houtarou is still trying to guard himself from failure like last time and if he's wrong it will be pointed out when he talks to the group.
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Btw I'm a new member of animesuki and I have to say the discussions on animesuki are imo much better than those on myanimelist.net. Too much trolling and name calling in that forum. Most of the people in animesuki seem to be respectful. Last edited by GalacticPulsar; 2012-08-07 at 13:57. |
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2012-08-07, 14:13 | Link #64 | |
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There is a clear difference in the most recent episodes between Satoshi, who has no problem communicating with others and is knowledgable about the school, and Eru, who is getting visibly tired from having to move around. Eru may have sharper senses than Houtarou and Satoshi, but she is only curious about what she cares about. For anything outside of her interests, she is clumsy. Satoshi may not be as sharp, but he has the best connections. |
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2012-08-07, 14:17 | Link #65 | |
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I have no doubt Tomoe has this whole thing solved and handed that manga to Houtarou to help him along. With all the focus on the manga club I have no doubt that manga is key to this whole mystery. In the end not too surprised Houtarou isn't calling them all in right now. He's only just recovered from last arc. Took all of 11.5 to really get back to 'normal'. Don't think he wants heavy expectations right now though. Doesn't want people counting on him to solve this and then failing. Right now can jsut work through it on his own without too much risk. But if Chitanda thinks he has something then he'll feel the expectations since when it comes down to it he doesn't feel that something is solved unless Chitanda is satisfied by it. Kind of held back on speculating on the mystery after last arc the mystery we were all speculating on wasn't the one that mattered. They key maybe more figuring what is really important to figure out regarding this situation. Is it the thief's identity, motive, what happened to that manga group, what Houtarou is going to get as his final trading object, etc? Still if we're talking about the thefts I do think someone is trying to recreate the manga in some physical sense. Clearly they can't just make the manga they wanted to for this year, so in it's place something else is happening. If the School President is connected then there may be no backlash for the person doing all this and it might be unofficially sanctioned/turned into a surprise event.
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2012-08-07, 14:24 | Link #66 |
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Regarding Houtarou's feelings toward Chitanda... I think they're similar to his love/hate relationship with the idea of rose-colored life. Mostly because she always seem to bring that color into his life, whether he wants her to or not.
This time... Precisely because he's seriously trying to solve the mystery, he doesn't want to get disrupted by her. |
2012-08-07, 14:38 | Link #67 |
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I think that Houtarou finds Chitanda intriguing. Not just because of her lovely looks, although that is a factor, but also because of her unusually charming and disarming mannerisms, consistently upbeat nature, and insatiable curiosity.
But while Houtarou finds Chitanda intriguing, I don't think that she's gained his respect yet, whereas Satoshi has (at least to some degree). I think that Houtarou views Chitanda as someone who's naive, a bit sheltered, and a bit lacking in good reasoning skills. Given that this is a girl who was once seriously puzzled over why she became angry with a teacher... I can't entirely fault Houtarou for his views here. Chitanda is a charming character, and I do think she's intelligent in a basic book-smarts way, but she does have a certain cluelessness to her at times.
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2012-08-07, 14:45 | Link #68 |
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all those 11.5 spoilers
i know it is to be expected to see talk from previous ep in laters eps threads but i was saving it for when i could watch 30sec of it without getting eye cancer. I realy dont think that gathering infos isnt a talent. i mean it need socializing skill (wich in itself is a talent) to talk to peoples and make them talk (hypno eyes is a gameshark trick it dont count !). it also need a good memory (i can't see chitanda beiing as efficient as satoshi with her lack of focus). Satoshi know who to contact, have a good net of people he know, is easy to talk to, have a good memory. I think he also do fairly well at extracting the most important information from what they have. His trully big down point is that he can't seem to be able to make relations between the informations he got and he rush to quickly to conclusion (like his mistake with trying to catch the culprit redhanded). i wouldn't call Satoshi skillless, he just have the bad role that isn't flashy like Oreki's is.
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2012-08-07, 14:45 | Link #69 |
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I think that Houtarou didn't talk to all of them because, like FlareKnight said, he just recovered from the last arc and he doesn't want to get everyone's hopes up. Especially Chitanda's, since I think it is safe to assume that she is *special* to him. It's clear she has high expectations, so he wants to seriously try and solve this mystery (+ he's interested himself). Happy Chitanda = happy Houtarou (well, at least content). And the fact that he trusted Satoshi enough to ask him for help makes it even worse for Satoshi. Not only is he doubting his own abilities, and, let's say, "value", now he also feels guilty for becoming jealous when Houtarou get's serious and almost solves the mystery just by sitting in the classroom when he's been running around. Satoshi's situation suuuucks.
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2012-08-07, 15:22 | Link #70 | |
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2012-08-07, 16:41 | Link #71 |
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I'm pretty sure all that doesn't need explaining- Mayaka already pointed out to him previously that he could just say no to Chitanda as well, to which Oreki only replied that it's because he can't say 'no' to her that's why he's doing all this. Even Mayaka realized the meaning of it.
Lol, like Zeross, I suffered through the horrendous quality of episode 11.5 But it was worth it, because it does show clearly that whether Oreki himself admits it or not, he does value what Chitanda thinks of him.
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2012-08-07, 19:13 | Link #74 | |
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Lol uhh I meant that if the katana girl is the one who wrote the author's note in the manga and was part of the group that made the manga, it'll be good for Mayaka if she ever has another debate with her. Since the author's note said that they liked it, it'll be easy to convince her it was a masterpiece. Even Houtarou thinks so since he couldn't put it down when reading it Regarding Chitanda I love how well she and Houtarou go together and how she's constantly surprising him and making him act out of his way to do things for her. It's sweet. But I wish Chitanda had some character development too. I kind of want more from her than just a really cute female character that does really cute ditzy things. There's been some hints that she's really tired of working to spread the Classic club's name around and I really want to see where that goes and if there's another side to that ditzy personality of hers. |
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2012-08-07, 19:56 | Link #75 |
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In my opinion, Houtarou does not consciously knows what he wants with Eru. Outside observers like Mayaka can see the attraction, but Houtarou seems rather oblivious to it. He is basically just applying his "old" principles to Eru, but I think his heart subconsciously feels otherwise.
Ep11.5 was the most direct moment thus far, and it probably won't be long( hopefully...) before the realisation hits him. Cheers.
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2012-08-07, 21:27 | Link #76 | |
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I'm getting away from episode 16 though. Maybe we should continue this in Houtarou thread (if you want to)? And some of us are speculating in the designated thread. You may want to check it out. Edit: Quote:
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2012-08-08, 04:35 | Link #78 |
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seems like Fukube finally give up for trying to surpass Oreki in this case...
and finally we got to see some connection between Manga club's problem (Mayaka's problem) with the Juumonji case everything has been connected I agree that next episode should be the last for this arc anyway, the best scene is : "yoroshigu onegaisima~~ *DUB*" Lol'd a lot... xD |
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I apologize for not using my own native language in a way that would make it clearly understandable what the intention of my utterance was. I should have said: "Your assumption that I was forgetting he messed up the last mystery is incorrect."
Perhaps you can point to anything that would lead the viewer to believe that Mr Grumpy actually likes Chitanda as a person. Other than her sexual allure, he does not seem to have a good thought or word for her. Annoyance and disdain are the two words that most befit his attitude towards her as a person. Of course, this isn't much different than his attitude towards everyone else. Conversely, it can be said that what Chitanda admires most Mr Grumpy is his analytical abilities. So what is the only thing Mr Grumpy admires about her? Her boobs. How insulting. That should be 10/10. Quote:
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2012-08-08, 08:52 | Link #80 |
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Another excellent, excellent ep. I have been really enjoying the arc. It is so nice to see the intense care and detail that has gone into the presentation of the series in terms of visuals, audio, etc. Of course KyoAni prolly had to pay through the nose to achieve it, but I appreciate it nonetheless.
Oreki's sister kinda reminds me of a Sh Holmes/Victorique type ... presented with only a few bare facts and their mind seems to make superhuman leaps of logic and conclusions. Compared to such a mode of operation in particular Hotarou seems a little more "human" in terms of "deduction". Ah well. 8/10 vote from me.
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