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I remember it being disgraced and fallen Mother Earth Goddess, but if it's that way, it felt like that they're a a whole different "species" from Heretic Gods instead of just a "sub-species". That would basically mean that once slain even once, they'll only revive as Mother Earth Goddesses. If they could refuse getting revived and stay in the realm of gods, that also means it's possible for them to just use that as a way to regain their goddess-hood, making Divine Ancestor is like an extra function if they want to revive early or something.
But anyway, I thought it had something to do with Holy Grail?
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2013-12-15, 03:11 | Link #9122 | |
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Since the Holy Grail's function steals Divine powers from Earth Goddesses, and stores the stolen power until it's used, being slain by it, naturally makes it more likely for a Earth Goddess to become a Divine Ancestor. |
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2013-12-15, 06:25 | Link #9124 | |
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2013-12-15, 17:38 | Link #9126 |
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I don't think it has anything to do with how they're defeated. And I -really- don't think it's simply 'Any Earth Goddess who is defeated becomes one' or we'd be drowning in Divine Ancestors.
I think it's more or less a choice (I /think/ I recall Athena hinting at considering at one point), and such a choice is rare because as the books say, gods are all about ego. Become a weak little near-human? I can't see pretty much any deity thinking that. Even Athena, who is the nearest to 'nice' we get of the rogue deities, wouldn't really do that.
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2013-12-15, 18:01 | Link #9127 |
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As far as I remember Divine Ancestors are Earth Goddesses that were killed by the King of the End in order to extract their immortality for the energy source for his Sword. Every Steel has some characteristic to exploit the earth and the Kote has obviously the strongest characteristic. Also every Divine Ancestor is a servant for the Kote. Guinevere sacrificed her immortality in order to lessen the burden for the Kote to create the Holy Grail which basically has the same “authority” (suck the immortality of earth goddesses).
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2013-12-15, 20:12 | Link #9129 |
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Amongst magi, there were secret myths in circulation. For example, amongst the great mother goddesses of the earth conquered by dragon-slayers like Perseus, there were those who were weakened, fallen, or driven from their divine thrones. They were the witches known as [Divine Ancestors]. Human in form, but not human. Possessing supernatural powers surpassing humans but inferior to gods, these girls remained forever young and never succumbed to old age. By abandoning their eternal longevity, they could regain their unruly divinity of the mother earth goddess, or in other words, revive themselves in the form of a dragon or snake god there are two points here, the divine power and the divine spirit, the gods of steel take the earth power, but that is not enough to make earth goddess fall or athena wouldn'T had said that she would return, when she loss her power thank to the holy grail, so the divine spirit must be the important point. artio will become a divine ancestor, that s what i bet |
2013-12-15, 20:36 | Link #9130 |
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That might not be entirely reliable because we're talking about Magi who has only gave a 'name' for Godslayers in 18th century when they've existed much longer. Same magi which is much less competent than the Blackwatch of all things (at least MIaL version, anyway). I won't take their words for what it is, and I'm more inclined to the Artos-related one due to my memory.
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2013-12-15, 20:52 | Link #9131 |
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true, but putting a limit to only kote and no other gods is where i disagree
changing the topic, i have a question how gods and godslayers sense eachother godou couldn't sense lancelot because of the curse but why the great sage couldn't sense anni when she was without her mask? they felt the ego of the other or something like that? i don't get it |
2013-12-15, 21:20 | Link #9132 |
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By some sort of magical presence, it seems. Well, from what I've seen, it's more by their "Potent" their magic power is. Lancelot was reduced to a normal human by her own curse, so he didn't sense her. Same with Annie, but I think her authority has a role in it too. They mostly felt it by "Instinct".
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2013-12-15, 21:28 | Link #9133 |
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The books imply that a Campione's and God's instinct is based on the same sort of process that witches and mikos use to access knowledge in the Netheworld. Just a different sort.
I'm really not sure why Annie wasn't sensed. But yeah, it may be she has an actual Authority that helps hide her.
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2013-12-15, 21:32 | Link #9134 | |
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she sealed her divine name that time. god power related with their identity which formed by the myths. sealing their name would mean sealing their power too when god (or goddess) encounter with Campiones, it'll make them raise Campiones magical power cosequently alert the god about Campiones presence. Annie w/o mask means she doesn't activate her power as Campione thus don't alert the Great Sage that she is Campione
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2013-12-15, 21:55 | Link #9135 | |
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that is false, they don't need to activate their powers to sense eachother, the first meeting between athena and godou is good example, it must be something between the lines of spirit vision and instint, a combination of these two annie has two personalities, that must help her in someway, like the wish of being a normal person and accepting being a godslayer |
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2013-12-15, 22:17 | Link #9136 | |
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I was wrong. Not only the Kote can do it but the majority of Steel can do it. If the Goddess is defeated with some kind of authority which exploits the earth the Goddesses will be reborn as a Divine Ancestor and has to server the one who defeated her. The question is only for how long. For example if the God who did that to them is killed can they return to being a herectic god permanently or even then are they cursed to be reborn as Ancestors for eternity.
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what you said true too but I don't think I'm completely wrong. at least part about they intinctively (forgot to include this word ) raise magical power when they meet gods or they intinctively (again forgot this ) realize that they facing gods totally forgot about Annie double personalities you may right about it helped her to fooling Great Sage's instinct I prefer instinc over spirit vision coz spirit vision should be ability exclusively for hime-miko, witch and divine ancestor (all 3 related with Earth Mother Goddess in one way or another) though i maybe wrong about this
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in Resume Mother Earth Goddess>Divine Ancestors And to regain their former porwers they sacrifice their lives and turn into a snake god/dragon who is powerful but mortal |
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