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Random Wanderer · 2018-09-10, 19:20

We can not has drama any more please?

BBOvenGuy · 2018-09-11, 01:13

I didn't think it was that bad. At least the drama was happening on a mountain.

Hinata is definitely going through some teenage angst, though. Only now she's got bigger problems to worry about. That knee's going to be killing her by the time they make it back to the campsite. Going down is a lot harder on knees than going up.

Marina2 · 2018-09-11, 09:27

The atmosphere is quite heavy in the latest ep. I can literally feel how Aoi felt around moody Hinata.

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Originally Posted by BBOvenGuy

Hinata is definitely going through some teenage angst, though. Only now she's got bigger problems to worry about. That knee's going to be killing her by the time they make it back to the campsite. Going down is a lot harder on knees than going up.

I have a bad feeling that she will fully express her anger when Aoi noticed it and try to help her......something along the line:

"Mind your own business! Why the hell do you even care about me right now!!?"

Let hope it won't be that bad...

Anh_Minh · 2018-09-11, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

We can not has drama any more please?

There's still going to be drama. This time, Hinata's the one who will have to give up before the destination, and who knows how that'll play out.

BBOvenGuy · 2018-09-11, 15:56

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This time, Aoi's the one who will have to give up before the destination, and who knows how that'll play out.

I believe you mean Hinata there.

If that's the case, then yeah, there's no way she's making it up the mountain the next day. She may not be an old guy like me, but not even teenagers heal that quickly.

Kanon · 2018-09-11, 18:01

The drama just feels out of place in this series to me. It doesn't help that this has been dragged out over several episodes.

Dop · 2018-09-12, 04:21

I have to agree, if they had to play the 'My best friend has got new friends! What if they prefer them to me?' drama card, they didn't really need to drag it out this long, as we got the point already!

It just sticks out from the general feel this series has always had.

jal90 · 2018-09-14, 05:10

Why do you think this drama is out of place in the series? This is not even the first time the characters have made a big deal of something petty... in fact it's pretty much something that defines the entire relationship of Aoi and Hinata. And that's why I like it, it's refreshingly realistic to see best friends argue and stop talking to each other, it has happened various times in the past, and it will keep happening because Aoi and Hinata are clear opposites in many aspects.

The general feel this series always had includes stuff such as misunderstandings and (mostly) Aoi holding grudges, this is not something new. It is not a pure iyashikei and friendships are not devoid of conflict as other similar shows.

Hinata's emotional processes this season make sense. They reflect something that had to be tackled one way or the other because from the very first episode of this series the relationship between Aoi and her had been built in unequal terms, with Aoi being helpless and Hinata being the saviour. That is quite toxic for a long-term friendship, and the show is acknowledging this through Hinata's perplexed feelings when Aoi starts to show change that doesn't involve her.

And I won't even start with how carefully this entire process is being executed because honestly, this season is getting even better than usual with character acting and visual narrative.

BWTraveller · 2018-09-14, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Dop

I have to agree, if they had to play the 'My best friend has got new friends! What if they prefer them to me?' drama card, they didn't really need to drag it out this long, as we got the point already!

It just sticks out from the general feel this series has always had.

That's a bit of a simplification. Hinata doesn't seem to be upset that Aoi has new friends or anything, but rather that they aren't spending any time together. She's repeatedly tried to go places with Aoi and wound up failing due to bad timing. She keeps going to great places and seeing great things and, while enjoying them, finds herself feeling sad that she isn't seeing them with her best friend. Then she sees Aoi and Aoi doesn't seem to care one bit one way or another about this, shows absolutely no sign of disappointment that she isn't there. It's not just "does she like them more than me", it's "does she not even care if I'm gone, or feel a bit of the loneliness I'm feeling". And what's worse Aoi's actually experiencing a lot of the things Hinata's experiencing, just separate from her. Fate over the last few weeks or more has been forcing them to live their lives mostly separate from one another. Being the only one who feels lonely over this hurts. And a simple meal because "looks like you're upset" isn't going to fix that pain. Hinata doesn't want Aoi to feel bad for her or to want her to cheer up, she wants her to miss her as much as she does.

BBOvenGuy · 2018-09-14, 20:31

Hinata isn't really angry at Aoi over anything specific. She's feeling angst because things are changing and she doesn't know what's going to happen, and she's acting out. Her anger is the way her anxiety is expressing itself.

This is a pretty typical thing for teenagers to go through (and non-teenagers too, for that matter), but I don't think I've seen it done with this particular nuance before. Jal90 is right that this arc has been handled well.

When the series started, Hinata seemed a lot more mature than Aoi, but over the course of what they've been through, Aoi has caught up and is now moving ahead. It's about time for Hinata to do some growing of her own.

Kanon · 2018-09-17, 16:57

Really enjoyed this ep.

Aoi and Hinata patched things up nicely. It all happened very naturally.

Master_Yoma · 2018-09-24, 21:14

Its good to see the growth of Aoi and the friendship with Hinata grow as well

Poor Kaede have to study so didnt get to see much of her

Honoka's bother is kind of awesome

8/10 Needs a 4th season

Kanon · 2018-09-25, 10:53

It was a nice "ending". Really liked Hinata and Aoi's little talk. Hope we get a fourth season too.

Random Wanderer · 2018-09-25, 15:18

It's not that the drama has been done poorly or anything like that. The presentation was well done, makes sense for the characters, and their resolution was perfectly suiting. My problem with it is that I come to this series for fluffy happy friendship and mountain climbing. I want sweetness and healing when I watch this series, not unease and unhappiness.

So I simply stopped watching before episode 10 and waited until now to watch straight through from there until the end, thus getting past the problems and straight to the resolution in one shot.

I will say I probably enjoyed this season the least out of the three. Troubles with the final quarter of it aside, there's also the fact that Kaede (my favorite of the girls) spent nearly the entire time being locked away and unable to join them in anything. Basically, this season removed elements that I like, and spent extra time focusing on elements that I don't, so I cannot really say that I enjoyed it as much as the previous two. :/

Ends on a good note, though.

BBOvenGuy · 2018-09-28, 22:55

We need another season, so Aoi can finally get to the top of Fuji. That's the only logical end to the story.

BBOvenGuy · 2019-03-11, 23:25

Encouragement of Climb Director Discusses Pros, Cons of Using Real-life Reference Photos in Anime

They actually went out there and climbed the mountains themselves! I'm impressed.

Kanon · 2019-03-12, 18:14

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Encouragement of Climb Director Discusses Pros, Cons of Using Real-life Reference Photos in Anime

They actually went out there and climbed the mountains themselves! I'm impressed.

Same here. Now that's what I call doing research!

BBOvenGuy · 2019-08-20, 21:20

Got home tonight and while channel-flipping spotted NHK World's 15-minute program 3-Day Dare*Devils, which featured some YouTube "influencer" from Vietnam learning about vending machines.

Sounds boring, right? Except that a little past halfway through the show, he spends a day refilling the vending machines on Mt. Fuji. Which means he has to hike up Mt. Fuji, from Station 6 to the top. You can see some of the places they went to in Season 2.

Here's the link: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/o...video/3019031/ The Fuji segment starts around 08:30.

Infinite Zenith · 2019-08-21, 20:15

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I want sweetness and healing when I watch this series, not unease and unhappiness.

Unease and unhappiness are a part of life, too, as well as the steps taken to resolve them. Yama no Susume is more than just about hiking and the joyful moments, acting as a stunning metaphor for life lessons applicable to many stages of life. Watching Aoi and Hinata grow over the three seasons was particularly rewarding, and that does lead to the question of whether or not a fourth season might be a possibility.

Proto · 2020-09-10, 21:50

I just binged through this the last couple days. Nice little series that definitely fills the void I've had for good slice of life the last couple years. Probably the best I've watched since Girl's last tour. Not as poignant, but definitely up there in the healing scale. And I'm happy to hear there is another season coming even!

2018-09-10, 19:20	Link #61
Random Wanderer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	We can not has drama any more please? __________________

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	The drama just feels out of place in this series to me. It doesn't help that this has been dragged out over several episodes. __________________

2018-09-17, 16:57	Link #71
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Really enjoyed this ep. Aoi and Hinata patched things up nicely. It all happened very naturally. __________________

2018-09-24, 21:14	Link #72
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Its good to see the growth of Aoi and the friendship with Hinata grow as well Poor Kaede have to study so didnt get to see much of her Honoka's bother is kind of awesome 8/10 Needs a 4th season __________________

2018-09-25, 10:53	Link #73
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	It was a nice "ending". Really liked Hinata and Aoi's little talk. Hope we get a fourth season too. __________________

2018-09-11, 01:13	Link #62
BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	I didn't think it was that bad. At least the drama was happening on a mountain. Hinata is definitely going through some teenage angst, though. Only now she's got bigger problems to worry about. That knee's going to be killing her by the time they make it back to the campsite. Going down is a lot harder on knees than going up.

2018-09-12, 04:21	Link #67
Dop Mmmm.... Join Date: Sep 2006	I have to agree, if they had to play the 'My best friend has got new friends! What if they prefer them to me?' drama card, they didn't really need to drag it out this long, as we got the point already! It just sticks out from the general feel this series has always had.

2018-09-14, 05:10	Link #68
jal90 Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Spain Age: 33	Why do you think this drama is out of place in the series? This is not even the first time the characters have made a big deal of something petty... in fact it's pretty much something that defines the entire relationship of Aoi and Hinata. And that's why I like it, it's refreshingly realistic to see best friends argue and stop talking to each other, it has happened various times in the past, and it will keep happening because Aoi and Hinata are clear opposites in many aspects. The general feel this series always had includes stuff such as misunderstandings and (mostly) Aoi holding grudges, this is not something new. It is not a pure iyashikei and friendships are not devoid of conflict as other similar shows. Hinata's emotional processes this season make sense. They reflect something that had to be tackled one way or the other because from the very first episode of this series the relationship between Aoi and her had been built in unequal terms, with Aoi being helpless and Hinata being the saviour. That is quite toxic for a long-term friendship, and the show is acknowledging this through Hinata's perplexed feelings when Aoi starts to show change that doesn't involve her. And I won't even start with how carefully this entire process is being executed because honestly, this season is getting even better than usual with character acting and visual narrative.

2018-09-14, 20:31	Link #70
BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	Hinata isn't really angry at Aoi over anything specific. She's feeling angst because things are changing and she doesn't know what's going to happen, and she's acting out. Her anger is the way her anxiety is expressing itself. This is a pretty typical thing for teenagers to go through (and non-teenagers too, for that matter), but I don't think I've seen it done with this particular nuance before. Jal90 is right that this arc has been handled well. When the series started, Hinata seemed a lot more mature than Aoi, but over the course of what they've been through, Aoi has caught up and is now moving ahead. It's about time for Hinata to do some growing of her own.

2018-09-25, 15:18	Link #74
Random Wanderer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	It's not that the drama has been done poorly or anything like that. The presentation was well done, makes sense for the characters, and their resolution was perfectly suiting. My problem with it is that I come to this series for fluffy happy friendship and mountain climbing. I want sweetness and healing when I watch this series, not unease and unhappiness. So I simply stopped watching before episode 10 and waited until now to watch straight through from there until the end, thus getting past the problems and straight to the resolution in one shot. I will say I probably enjoyed this season the least out of the three. Troubles with the final quarter of it aside, there's also the fact that Kaede (my favorite of the girls) spent nearly the entire time being locked away and unable to join them in anything. Basically, this season removed elements that I like, and spent extra time focusing on elements that I don't, so I cannot really say that I enjoyed it as much as the previous two. :/ Ends on a good note, though. __________________

2018-09-28, 22:55	Link #75
BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	We need another season, so Aoi can finally get to the top of Fuji. That's the only logical end to the story.

2019-03-11, 23:25	Link #76
BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	Encouragement of Climb Director Discusses Pros, Cons of Using Real-life Reference Photos in Anime They actually went out there and climbed the mountains themselves! I'm impressed.

2019-08-20, 21:20	Link #78
BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	Got home tonight and while channel-flipping spotted NHK World's 15-minute program 3-Day DareDevils*, which featured some YouTube "influencer" from Vietnam learning about vending machines. Sounds boring, right? Except that a little past halfway through the show, he spends a day refilling the vending machines on Mt. Fuji. Which means he has to hike up Mt. Fuji, from Station 6 to the top. You can see some of the places they went to in Season 2. Here's the link: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/o...video/3019031/ The Fuji segment starts around 08:30.

2020-09-10, 21:50	Link #80
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 39	I just binged through this the last couple days. Nice little series that definitely fills the void I've had for good slice of life the last couple years. Probably the best I've watched since Girl's last tour. Not as poignant, but definitely up there in the healing scale. And I'm happy to hear there is another season coming even! __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux