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2012-09-03, 19:03 | Link #82 | |
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Note, I am not saying that Itachi's strength solely came from the help he received (Itachi is a genius after all). But, Itachi had obvious resources that Sasuke did not. |
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2012-09-03, 20:06 | Link #83 | |
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But Uchiha teachers or not, the special training Sasuke could've received would've been limited until he awakened his Sharingan, and that didn't happen until he was 12 (though it briefly appeared at 7 due to Itachi). Being naturally gifted allowed Itachi to fully awaken his at 8 so he could begin honing its skills at a much earlier age.
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2012-09-04, 16:23 | Link #86 | ||
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2012-09-04, 17:00 | Link #87 | |
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I still don't feel like Sasuke is more of a "genius" than Itachi though. I acknowledge his talent but he also had to spend a lot of effort to catch up. I am not sure how this makes me a Sasuke hater since, if there is any bias I wasn't previously aware of, it's obviously directed towards Sasuke. |
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2012-09-05, 11:26 | Link #90 |
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every genius ninja trained and studied hard including itachi. orochimaru was blown away by just how dangerous itachi's training was when he was spying on him. this line of thought actually makes obito being a genius make sense, because back during and before kakashi gaiden he never put in the effort that these geniuses we're talking about did. his lack of progress reflects his lack of effort. i'm only guessing right now, but i'm assuming that after his supposed death, obito starting taking training seriously and that is why he was able to capitalize on his potential.
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2012-09-06, 00:46 | Link #92 | |
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Given his immeasurable intelligence, a motivated and ambitious Shikamaru could have theoretically become a chuunin and then jonin/ANBU captain at an even younger age than Kakashi and Itachi. |
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2012-09-06, 01:08 | Link #93 | |
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i dont think shikamaru really got by with zero ambition. he would have died on several accounts if not for being saved when he exhausted his mind and single advanced technique. i also dont think mental genius is as direct a correlation to learning abilities as you say. shikamaru's intelligence doesnt gaurantee that he could have beaten kakashi and itachi in rank. as a tactician and advisor, sure, but not as a ninja. shikamaru is a mental genius, but arguably not a genius ninja. he's basically a one trick pony. no other geniuses we've discussed are nearly that limited in performance. |
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2012-09-06, 05:29 | Link #96 |
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So, is Sasuke´s awakening of Sharingan at age 7/8 somehow a sign of his genius ?
I thought that if you use similar level of mental stress (very high) at every able Uchiha at that age (because not every Uchiha can awaken Sharingan), you could expect at least some positive results, not only from "prodigies". |
2012-09-06, 21:58 | Link #97 | ||
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There is no mental genius vs. physical genius. Nor does a genius mean having to be great at everything. Otherwise characters like Sasuke and Neji would clearly fail in that regard. Shikamaru is a genius whose talent is his intelligence and leadership skills. These talents are so extraordinary that they allow him to compete with and defeat characters that are perhaps more physically gifted than him. And he were useless in a one-on-one fight like you said, he would have died when he faced Kin ages ago. Shikamaru is the classic slacker character who only fulfills his potential in times of need. As opposed to ambitious characters who get the most out of their talent. But he is a genius all the same. One held in check by his own lack of ambition. Last edited by Ulquiorra; 2012-09-06 at 22:12. |
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2012-09-07, 08:23 | Link #100 | |
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The term tensai or genius/prodigy doesn't refer only to intelect but to people with exeptional innate abilities. For example as itachi-san314 noted Rock Lee is a prodigy in one narrow thing : opening the Gates. His gruesome training alone isn't enough to explain is ability to open up to 5 Gates when he was 14 years old, it's the one thing he's naturally exceptionally good at. |
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