Rozen Maiden Zurückspulen - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[Triple_R]

So, since I'm watching this show and a Fate/Series show about "Class Cards", I couldn't help but notice striking similarities between our seven lovely Rozen Maidens and the seven Heroic Spirit types of Fate/Series.


So my friend and I chatted a bit and tried to determine which Rozen Maiden would be which Fate/Series Class. This is what we agreed on. I'd love to know what Rozen Maiden and Fate/Series fans think.

Spoiler for Rozen Maiden and Fate/Series comparison, some Fate/Series spoilers:

1. Shinku is Saber. Partly due to process of elimination, but also due to similar personality and role. Shinku has a very refined nature to herself, as well as a certain idealism. This is similar to Saber in Fate/Series. Shinku and Saber also tend to be the main fighting protagonist of their respective works.

2. Suigintou is Archer. Because only Suigintou has the ego and gloating necessary to be on par with Gilgamesh and Archer!Shirou. Suigintou also has charisma and scenery-chewing comparable to the famous Archers of Fate/Series. Suigintou also tends to prefer long-range attacks, but is good for more melee fighting if necessary, similar to an Archer.

3. Suiseiseki is Berserker. Both are like bulls in a china shop, and take right over when they show up on camera. Whereas Berserker rampages with his body, Suiseiseki rampages with her speech. Am I right, desu?

4. Kanaria is Assassin. At times, she acts like Solid Snake, lol. Definitely someone who prefers sneaking around and taking foes unaware than engaging in full-frontal assaults. Kanaria is also very disciplined about this, as is the Assassin.

5. Kirakishou is Caster. Similar combat style. Plus, both Casters I've seen were pretty creepy (though Fate/Zero's definitely being the creepier of the two), and Kirakishou is certainly quite creepy herself. Casters tend to be important antagonists, and so is Kirakishou.

6. Souseiseki is Lancer. Being the only Rozen Maiden to actually use a bladed weapon, it was clear that Souseiseki should be either Saber or Lancer. Given that Souseiseki seems to do about as well at the Alice Game as Lancers do in Fate/Series, I figured Lancer would be a better fit for her. I also see some personality similarities between Souseiseki and the Lancers I'm familiar with.

7. Hinaichigo is Rider. None of the Rozen Maidens fit Rider well, but Hinaichigo gets this role by process of elimination. Hinaichigo isn't important enough to be Saber, and she does go out early, much like Fate/Stay Night's Rider.

So what do my fellow Rozen Maiden and Fate/Series fans think?

[Subayai]

This episode was as great as the previous ones. The pace was increased a lot but this is normal because the big battle has finally started. All the scenes were adapted quite closely from the manga and it was done very well.

I disagree with the ones who say the dialogue hurts the flow. It's the opposite, the dialogue scenes are the best parts of the episode. They "make" the flow. These are the parts that make me say that this series is great. The fight parts are very good too but they only serve to bridge the dialogue that keeps the plot going.

However, the biggest problem with this episode was the underperformance of Suiseiseki's voice actress. Maybe she was still recovering from that throat illness she had, I don't know but it was not good. I hope she gets better next episode because she has important scenes coming up.

Also, it's a minor thing but they ruined the DESU moment just after Suiseiseki crashes. In the manga it had more impact and it was quite funny but here it went almost unnoticed.

[ChainLegacy]

What I hope for is that Jun somehow saves the day, directly or indirectly. This series has been about him and the fact that this reality's Jun has had a really hard time and lacks any self confidence. He was slowly starting to build it thanks to Saitou and the play, but now you can see that he is blaming himself for this situation which is a blow to his progression. Like he was asking of Shinku, I wonder/hope there's some kind of magical doll master power he can use to fix things.

[Allium]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

So, since I'm watching this show and a Fate/Series show about "Class Cards", I couldn't help but notice striking similarities between our seven lovely Rozen Maidens and the seven Heroic Spirit types of Fate/Series.


So my friend and I chatted a bit and tried to determine which Rozen Maiden would be which Fate/Series Class. This is what we agreed on. I'd love to know what Rozen Maiden and Fate/Series fans think.

Spoiler for Rozen Maiden and Fate/Series comparison, some Fate/Series spoilers:

1. Shinku is Saber. Partly due to process of elimination, but also due to similar personality and role. Shinku has a very refined nature to herself, as well as a certain idealism. This is similar to Saber in Fate/Series. Shinku and Saber also tend to be the main fighting protagonist of their respective works.

2. Suigintou is Archer. Because only Suigintou has the ego and gloating necessary to be on par with Gilgamesh and Archer!Shirou. Suigintou also has charisma and scenery-chewing comparable to the famous Archers of Fate/Series. Suigintou also tends to prefer long-range attacks, but is good for more melee fighting if necessary, similar to an Archer.

3. Suiseiseki is Berserker. Both are like bulls in a china shop, and take right over when they show up on camera. Whereas Berserker rampages with his body, Suiseiseki rampages with her speech. Am I right, desu?

4. Kanaria is Assassin. At times, she acts like Solid Snake, lol. Definitely someone who prefers sneaking around and taking foes unaware than engaging in full-frontal assaults. Kanaria is also very disciplined about this, as is the Assassin.

5. Kirakishou is Caster. Similar combat style. Plus, both Casters I've seen were pretty creepy (though Fate/Zero's definitely being the creepier of the two), and Kirakishou is certainly quite creepy herself. Casters tend to be important antagonists, and so is Kirakishou.

6. Souseiseki is Lancer. Being the only Rozen Maiden to actually use a bladed weapon, it was clear that Souseiseki should be either Saber or Lancer. Given that Souseiseki seems to do about as well at the Alice Game as Lancers do in Fate/Series, I figured Lancer would be a better fit for her. I also see some personality similarities between Souseiseki and the Lancers I'm familiar with.

7. Hinaichigo is Rider. None of the Rozen Maidens fit Rider well, but Hinaichigo gets this role by process of elimination. Hinaichigo isn't important enough to be Saber, and she does go out early, much like Fate/Stay Night's Rider.

So what do my fellow Rozen Maiden and Fate/Series fans think?

I actually agree with the ones regarding Shinku, Suigintou and Kira. On one occasion I compared Shinku and Saber as well and found their personalities and roles in their respective series to be quite similar. I didn't really think much about Suigintou, but now that you've mentioned it, she really does suit the Archer class.

Suiseiseki as Berserker...now that's one moe Berserker.

[Guido]

The development in this episode happening from the climax to the cliffhanger at the end strongly captured my interest to keep on following the story as to know what in what direction the plot will be heading in the last three episodes.

The twists were:
1. Although it seemed obvious to believe the body belonged to Hina-Ichigo due that she was the first doll seen eaten at the end of episode one, the real thing was that the body, in fact, belonged to Souseiseki.

2. (Though not much of a twist or revelation) Shinku waiting for the waning moon was more of biding her time for the opportunity to present itself; the two worlds overlapping for just one precise event in which Kirakishou made her triumphant premiere.


And, Kirakishou is as creepy as psychotic she is, given she kidnapped all those former masters to feed upon them as nourishment, and Jun is going to be added within her rosebed.