Code Geass R2 - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[Ruezu]

=.= Meh all of you debating about if Rolo killed her or not.
Lulu could easily geass Rolo (since he hasn't) to ask if Rolo killed her or not.

I don't want to think that Rolo did it >_<

[MonkeyDude]

I would just like to add fuel to the whole "who killed Shirley" debate.

There is probably a 90% chance that her own gun was used to shoot her, then placed back near her hand before the geass expired. If you looked closely at the scene, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the gun to be right on her hand if she did fall. It would be more plausible for the gun to be at least a few feet away from her rather than right on her hand. What might have happened was the geass was used, 'x' took Shirley's gun and shot her with it, then placed it right next to her hand (which screams that something is not right).

Sad to say, the only one with the ability to do that would have been Rolo. Shirley would have been unaware of who her assailant is due to the effects of the geass and it gives Rolo ample time to escape. The fact that he was missing during that scene rather than tending to Shirley's wound also raises suspicion...

Wild theories aside, the logical choice would be Rolo...but CG does give logic the middle finger so who knows...one thing is for certain and that is the murder weapon is the gun Shirley is holding!

I'm not a part of any of the shipping lanes so I think my view is unbiased...

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by D a m i e n

forgive my misspelling and my bad grammar. i m not a native english speacker, i learn english by myself 15+years ago using my knowledge of latin to work the etymologie of words and figured the rest by myself, you could argue that by now i should speack english with more ease but i unfortunatly lack time to devote to it. therefore building a proper argumentation is a lot harder than if i was using my mothertongue as i m lacking the vocabulary the gramatical structure etc etc.

Not much of an excuse. In French, we capitalize the first word of every sentence, too.

[Guilford]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Not much of an excuse. In French, we capitalize the first word of every sentence, too.

well, it's not like this would make the meaning that different right? most of the time i'm not capitalizing either because of simple lazyness

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by D a m i e n

poor direction = too much time wasted on useless stuff, who cares about a whole eps of hat hunting when there was 3 maybe 5 min in the whole eps plotworthy. this leads to a rushed eps where they tried to pack too much stuff in it : jeremiah's 180°turn, shirley's death, trying to make lelouch x suzaku interaction start again, trying to deal with the subject of forgiveness. i wont comment on the completely incoherent behavior of the 3 protagonist after shirley almost falling to her death.

But... I LIKE the Ashford crack episodes...<.<
I think they are needed personally. If they just do things serious the entire time it will run into TOO much teen angst. It would be NGE all over again... NGE's major flaw with me is that it had nothing to lighten the mood and each episode ranged from depressing to down right brutal darkness. It is nice to have some comic relief every now and then. Especially in an anime where people die in depressing, and heart wrenching ways.

Also, if you think about it, Jeremiah's turn is not really rushed and makes perfect sense. And how did Lelouch and Suzaku act incoherently when Shirley almost fell to her doom?

[Guilford]

Originally Posted by Orga777

And how did Lelouch and Suzaku act incoherently when Shirley almost fell to her doom?

I like the writing as it is but the talk AFTER they rescued her was...I mean, come on, she suddenly gets all crazy and nearly falls off a huge building and instead of asking her what the hell is going on they start talking about the past and joke around... Okay, Lulu got his call but this strange behaviour should be bugging them right?

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Guilford

I like the writing as it is but the talk AFTER they rescued her was...I mean, come on, she suddenly gets all crazy and nearly falls off a huge building and instead of asking her what the hell is going on they start talking about the past and joke around... Okay, Lulu got his call but this strange behaviour should be bugging them right?

Well, I will give you that...<.<' It did seem a little odd. Ah well, not that big a deal IMO.

[Dark Faith]

Originally Posted by Guilford

I like the writing as it is but the talk AFTER they rescued her was...I mean, come on, she suddenly gets all crazy and nearly falls off a huge building and instead of asking her what the hell is going on they start talking about the past and joke around... Okay, Lulu got his call but this strange behaviour should be bugging them right?

That was certainly odd, yeah. One moment Shirley is trying to commit suicide (well, she got what she was looking for later in the episode, heh) and the other she's slapping the back of Suzaku's head and dragging him away like nothing had happened.

[bladeofdarkness]

why are people finding it hard to belive that the pro killer who spent his life killing without even thinking its all that bad
and has shown to kill his own team mates for over hearing things that are not even close to what sherly knew
and has infact been shown to be crazy when it comes to lulu
why are people finding it hard to belive he killed her
considering that the last thing she said is in a way telling him that he's not really lulu's brother (she said nanali was his sister)

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Dark Faith

That was certainly odd, yeah. One moment Shirley is trying to commit suicide (well, she got what she was looking for later in the episode, heh) and the other she's slapping the back of Suzaku's head and dragging him away like nothing had happened.

To be fair, both Lelouch and Suzaku on more than one occasion have been oblivious to other peoples feelings and thoughts. Perhaps this was a case of that as well?

[Guilford]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

why are people finding it hard to belive that the pro killer who spent his life killing without even thinking its all that bad
and has shown to kill his own team mates for over hearing things that are not even close to what sherly knew
and has infact been shown to be crazy when it comes to lulu
why are people finding it hard to belive he killed her
considering that the last thing she said is in a way telling him that he's not really lulu's brother (she said nanali was his sister)

it's not that hard to believe, it's just that the execution of the scene leaves things a bit open. i would have loved a twist here but i don't really think it will happen, there are other things hinting at Rolo. it's just that the ep itself is not 100% clear with it

[Child_of_Sierra]

So shirley went to euphieland this episode...

I feel some pity for lelouch for losing someone important but Shirley actually had it coming. Running off to a dangerous building by yourself? Since she knew who he was (Zero) there should have been no reason for her to think that she can make a difference in a fight he is involved in. (Raki from claymore anime comes to mind <_<).

How she even managed to get killed felt too forced, (priority protection by police yet manages to sneak in a restricted building plus meeting/talking to the wrong person whom she must know by now as a fake brother.)

Lastly, i find it strange for her to be so calm when talking to lelouch. Every person who survived facing rolo were astounded by his ability to teleport yet she doesn't seem shocked by finding herself bleeding in the floor. Maybe the line "What happened?" might have been too big a give away but being so calm when you did not know what hit you is a bit

[Guilford]

Originally Posted by Child_of_Sierra

So shirley went to euphieland this episode...

I feel some pity for lelouch for losing someone important but Shirley actually had it coming. Running off to a dangerous building by yourself? Since she knew who he was (Zero) there should have been no reason for her to think that she can make a difference in a fight he is involved in. (Raki from claymore anime comes to mind <_<).

How she even managed to get killed felt too forced, (priority protection by police yet manages to sneak in a restricted building plus meeting/talking to the wrong person whom she must know by now as a fake brother.)

Lastly, i find it strange for her to be so calm when talking to lelouch. Every person who survived facing rolo were astounded by his ability to teleport yet she doesn't seem shocked by finding herself bleeding in the floor. Maybe the line "What happened?" might have been to big a give away but being so calm when you did not know what hit you is a bit

about that last part. we don't really know how much time has passed until Lulu found her. She could have already had her o.O moment and then closed her eyes again/ lost her consciousness

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Child_of_Sierra

So shirley went to euphieland this episode...

I feel some pity for lelouch for losing someone important but Shirley actually had it coming. Running off to a dangerous building by yourself? Since she knew who he was (Zero) there should have been no reason for her to think that she can make a difference in a fight he is involved in. (Raki from claymore anime comes to mind <_<).

She made a difference against Viletta, once.

How she even managed to get killed felt too forced, (priority protection by police yet manages to sneak in a restricted building

A mall. Evacuated, not locked down. Once she got past the barriers (which weren't much of an obstacle. They're not designed to be.), why couldn't she enter? Though the question is why those cops were unable to catch up with her.

plus meeting/talking to the wrong person whom she must know by now as a fake brother.)

She didn't know he wasn't on Lelouch's side, though. And she had a gun.

Lastly, i find it strange for her to be so calm when talking to lelouch. Every person who survived facing rolo were astounded by his ability to teleport yet she doesn't seem shocked by finding herself bleeding in the floor. Maybe the line "What happened?" might have been too big a give away but being so calm when you did not know what hit you is a bit

Bloodloss. She was pretty far gone when he found her.

[jphachiroku]

The cryptic way of shirley getting killed left a lot of doors open. They could have simply showed Rolo do it but NO~!

Spoiler for some things that are lingering in my mind::

*they never showed rolo DO IT

*how many times was rollo surprised while shirley is talking away? the last one may not have come for shirley's talking

*I think rollo would have preferred to use his knife to finish shirley off "cleanly", rolo IS a skilled assassin. Now why would rollo leave shirley to "live a while longer" and messy rather than 100% dead and clean like the last intelligence officer

*It would be useless to "plant" evidence since lelou can squeeze the truth out of him with his geass

*there was just no way to save shirley, euphie died wothout killing every jap.

*lelou should have called for help while listening to shirley........

[mechalord]

Spoiler:

Not so fast, people.

There is a HUGE chance Rollo didn't kill her. There are geass ninjas in existence, you know. I think we see them in the preview.

Rollo is already branded a traitor. We didn't see him shank her. He could have activated his Geass as these guys jumped in. Do we lnow from any magazine articles or leaks that he indeed killed her?

The order sent Jeremiah to kill Lelouch, wouldn't they send some special guys just in case and for Rollo?

If you look at the episode again, he has an "oh crap" look on his face. I think she may have gotten shot in the back by some sniper aiming for Rollo or stabbed by assassin looking for Rollo.


It's not like him to freak out over Nunnally. He knows Lelouch wants his sister back and has agreed to help him retrieve her. He already knows his goals. It's out of character for him to kill her.

[Izayoi]

There is really not a point in discussing whether Rollo killed her or not because it can work either way so the writer might not even have decided whether he killed her or not. So in the end it is just some pointless bs. But well if you look at it, the writer must have "make it look like Rollo have killed Shirley" for some reason; to advance the plot/to make reader feel unease/more character development/anything but there must be some reason. But well I was really surprised at that Orange-san cliffhanger there, no doubts.

[Darkside]

The turn of events with orange-kun were most unexpected for me. I never would have thought he would ever speak of becoming Lelouch's ally.

New intro and ed are nice, and Shirley dying made me very happy. The only thing that would have made this ep better is some C.C. screentime.

One thing that caught my attention in the new intro is that Mordred appears along with the Knightmares that are allied to the Black Knights. Betrayal?

[grss1982]

Just saw the episode, and.......

Sayoko FTW!!!!


BTW...

Spoiler:

http://i26.tinypic.com/mr74hg.jpg

Is that a mobile armor? Wait a minute I though this was Code Geass NOT GUNDAM!!!

ALSO ....

SHIRLEY...................AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

BTW.... LOL at Orange-Kun......A Marianne Loyalist? And all of a sudden Lulu's ALLY!!!????

[Dark Faith]

Originally Posted by grss1982

Spoiler:

BTW.... LOL at Orange-Kun......A Marianne Loyalist? And all of a sudden Lulu's ALLY!!!????

Spoiler:

Well, seeing as Jeremiah has held Marianne in the highest regard for like... since forever and that he came to Area 11 as that was the place where Marianne's children had "died", it only seems natural that he'd align himself with Lelouch, the son of the empress he respected so much, especially after Lelouch made it sound like he became Zero because of Marianne's death