Your Favorite Character(s) in Macross Frontier

[Yot-chan]

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

I wonder who's got the longevity record of being in the Top 10 female anime characters.

Probably Lum.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by BaKaBaKaOtaKu

@Tak: is that shiznat as your sig?? X3

Hell yeah!

- Tak

[karice67]

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You lot are boring...

GC's Shuu was 5th on the back of the first 8-10 episodes or so, and there's no reaction...?

*sighs*


This month's (March Newtype) poll...

[magnuskn]

Geeze, Shu is not really the most interesting protagonist and Inori still has a distinct lack of an own personlity. I guess Aquarion EVOL and Rinne no Lagrange haven't made their impact yet on the list.

Nonetheless, Sheryl continues to persist and that is a good thing!

[Tak]

You know... Evol doesn't have interesting characters, or at least, I am not yet convinced. I'll wait, though...

- Tak

[magnuskn]

Eh, I like them all a lot. Amata is a really nice protagonist, I like Mikono, Zessica, Shrade, Cayenne, Andy... I guess the only one who goes on my nerves is Mix. Hey, most of the bad guys are interesting, too!

Quite different than the original series, where I wanted to punch most of the cast for being hugely obnoxious. Especially Apollo.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Quite different than the original series, where I wanted to punch most of the cast for being hugely obnoxious. Especially Apollo.

See if the original Aquarion can incite this reaction from you, then it must have done something right about characterization

See, I wanted to punch Alto too, but after the 2nd movie, I started to like him.

- Tak

[Darthtabby]

Yeah, Guilty Crown's characters should not be ranking that high. That show is not one of Yoshino's best works.

I wouldn't mind seeing some Rinne no Lagrange characters make the list in the future either.

(BTW, is it okay to discuss too much about non Macross F characters here? I kind of enjoy discussing a bit about the current stuff wih this crowd, but such discussions can get a bit OT.)

[LoveMeKags]

Originally Posted by Darthtabby

Yeah, Guilty Crown's characters should not be ranking that high. That show is not one of Yoshino's best works.

It's a manga first... so I guess you have to look at the original author for that comment. They are only following the storyline of the manga. No anime has ever done the manga justice that I can find.


BTW, I agree that Shu is hardly worth that spot, but parts of the series make me wonder if he should be the bad guy. He'd make a good one considering his sudden mood change since Haru's death.
Inori, however, has a very cold personality so far. And since there's only 22 episodes and we're at 16, that leaves 6 episodes to sum up everything. So I doubt that'll change much. However, I hate to say this, but I think she's up this far because she's hot. She's about the only real character they draw on pixiv.

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As for Aquarion EVOL, it might take a bit longer. Looking back at posts of Macross Frontier, it took till about E12 for any of them to really rise in the polls, even just Sheryl. So let's wait a bit longer. It's a 26-episode series and we're only 7 episodes in. Give it time, people.


BTW, I disagree with you Tak, we're not that far in to say there aren't any interesting characters. We don't even know all of the characters' backgrounds yet. I say wait until at least episode 12, that's almost halfway through.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by LoveMeKags

BTW, I disagree with you Tak, we're not that far in to say there aren't any interesting characters. We don't even know all of the characters' backgrounds yet. I say wait until at least episode 12, that's almost halfway through.

You know, it wouldn't hurt if you try reading people's posts carefully, since I stated... quite clearly in mine that I'll wait...

- Tak

[LoveMeKags]

Originally Posted by Tak

You know, it wouldn't hurt if you try reading people's posts carefully, since I stated... quite clearly in mine that I'll wait...

- Tak

Read back. Okay, my bad.

Still, I find one in particular a bit interest... *coughkaguracough*

[Darthtabby]

Originally Posted by LoveMeKags

It's a manga first... so I guess you have to look at the original author for that comment. They are only following the storyline of the manga. No anime has ever done the manga justice that I can find.


BTW, I agree that Shu is hardly worth that spot, but parts of the series make me wonder if he should be the bad guy. He'd make a good one considering his sudden mood change since Haru's death.
Inori, however, has a very cold personality so far. And since there's only 22 episodes and we're at 16, that leaves 6 episodes to sum up everything. So I doubt that'll change much. However, I hate to say this, but I think she's up this far because she's hot. She's about the only real character they draw on pixiv.

I'm pretty sure Guilty Crown is an anime original. The manga started publication in November while the anime started airing in October. It's pretty common practice for original anime series to have an accompanying manga. I generally consider the manga to be second fiddle in such cases.

Part of the reason I'm disappointed with Guilty Crown is because Yoshino was the lead writer for two of my top three favorite anime series (aside from Frontier he also wrote almost all the episodes for Mai-HiME). His writing has often been a bit iffy with regards to plot and such but he's pulled off some excellent character building and character driven storytelling in some of his past works. So it's disappointing to see him work on a series where the characterisation has been so problematic.

[LoveMeKags]

Originally Posted by Tak

You know... Evol doesn't have interesting characters, or at least, I am not yet convinced. I'll wait, though...

- Tak

The bold part is what I am referring to. Then I stated that I am interested in a character. So I was disagreeing that there weren't any interesting characters so far. I did not give a time frame.

Originally Posted by Darthtabby

I'm pretty sure Guilty Crown is an anime original. The manga started publication in November while the anime started airing in October. It's pretty common practice for original anime series to have an accompanying manga. I generally consider the manga to be second fiddle in such cases.

Part of the reason I'm disappointed with Guilty Crown is because Yoshino was the lead writer for two of my top three favorite anime series (aside from Frontier he also wrote almost all the episodes for Mai-HiME). His writing has often been a bit iffy with regards to plot and such but he's pulled off some excellent character building and character driven storytelling in some of his past works. So it's disappointing to see him work on a series where the characterisation has been so problematic.

We shouldn't get into a dispute about whom wrote Frontier, because it says Kawamori did, not Yoshino. So you'll just start that war all over again (as I already did and now, with some research, have found Wikipedia to be correct).

I double checked though, and you're right: the manga came second. However, not too far after the series began. November of 2011 whilst the series aired in October 2011. I believe that was around the time episode 4 appeared.

Regardless, Yoshino has mostly done screenplays. However, when he has worked on script writing and series composition, the series didn't do so well with publicity. He hasn't been very good at plot to begin with nor character build. Usually, others help him with that. Code Geass was proof.

Still, it appears to be the hottest and most popular fall/winter series by far.

And in my personal opinion, it has the best animation for an action/mecha series this year, even with Aquarion EVOL.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Tak

See if the original Aquarion can incite this reaction from you, then it must have done something right about characterization

See, I wanted to punch Alto too, but after the 2nd movie, I started to like him.

- Tak

Not that Alto from the series deserves to be punched... well, after episode nine, that is.

But I am very happy with the cast of EVOL so far... they are an interesting bunch, even Mix. Still a bit stereotypical in many cases, but they have a lot of episodes to work with to give them more depth.

[Darthtabby]

Originally Posted by LoveMeKags

We shouldn't get into a dispute about whom wrote Frontier, because it says Kawamori did, not Yoshino. So you'll just start that war all over again (as I already did and now, with some research, have found Wikipedia to be correct).

Regardless, Yoshino has mostly done screenplays. However, when he has worked on script writing and series composition, the series didn't do so well with publicity. He hasn't been very good at plot to begin with nor character build. Usually, others help him with that. Code Geass was proof.

I would say that doing both Series Composition and writing the scripts for all the episodes of Frontier makes Yoshino the writer for the series. Can you explain to me why that's even up for dispute here?

As for series not doing well with publicity when he does Series Composition and Script writing/screeplays -have you taken a look at how successful a lot of the shows he's worked on have been?

Now with regards to character development, I consider Mai-HiME and Frontier to be shows with excellent character development (albeit not for every individual character -both of them have some characters that didn't turn out that great) and he pretty much wrote every episode of both of those with the exception of Episode 16 of the former. Also the overall writing for those two shows seems a lot less scattershot to me than the writing in Guilty Crown does.

[LoveMeKags]

Originally Posted by Darthtabby

I would say that doing both Series Composition and writing the scripts for all the episodes of Frontier makes Yoshino the writer for the series. Can you explain to me why that's even up for dispute here?

I already brought up the argument once. Don't do it again. You'll start another war. If you checked in the 2nd movie thread, you'd know this and you wouldn't have even responded.

As for series not doing well with publicity when he does Series Composition and Script writing/screeplays -have you taken a look at how successful a lot of the shows he's worked on have been?

Successful in their time but none so memorable as Macross Frontier has been as of late. If they're not memorable, I hardly count them as "successful."

Also the overall writing for those two shows seems a lot less scattershot to me than the writing in Guilty Crown does.

I'll admit that Guilty Crown is a little shot, but like most of us watching the show, we're hoping for a second season. It has the most action of this season next to a few other shows. It could do without the cliche romance between Haru and Shu - which never happened; but otherwise, it's OK as a watch. I think if it was more shounen based and allowed character growth even just on the male side, then it might turn out better; but I think that Yoshino has a certain way he wants this story to go.

I can't speak for Yoshino directly, but as a writer, if you're just writing the story as you go to the next episode, you usually tend to mess up your plot and characters. I think this is the first time in which Yoshino has worked on a series and then immediately began animation for it. All the others had at least a year in between to work out the kinks. This one appears to be lost.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

But I am very happy with the cast of EVOL so far... they are an interesting bunch, even Mix. Still a bit stereotypical in many cases, but they have a lot of episodes to work with to give them more depth.

Well, tbh, I was never a big Aquarion fan. That show was weird even by Japanese standards, and I honestly think the script was constructed while its writers deliberately got high...

Still, Gepard brings nostalgia. After all, the 'Cheetah' reminds me of the VF-171.

- Tak

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Tak

Well, tbh, I was never a big Aquarion fan. That show was weird even by Japanese standards, and I honestly think the script was constructed while its writers deliberately got high...

Still, Gepard brings nostalgia. After all, the 'Cheetah' reminds me of the VF-171.

- Tak

I wasn't a big fan of the original, either. But this version is just great fun. As I said, I like the cast a lot. The antagonists are not as aloof from normal human motives as to be unrelatable. The show looks great, the humor is well done, the action is cool. Together with Rinne no Lagrange, that makes two excellent mecha shows in one season... a real treat after the drought of the last few years.

[LoveMeKags]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

I wasn't a big fan of the original, either. But this version is just great fun. As I said, I like the cast a lot. The antagonists are not as aloof from normal human motives as to be unrelatable. The show looks great, the humor is well done, the action is cool. Together with Rinne no Lagrange, that makes two excellent mecha shows in one season... a real treat after the drought of the last few years.

The original seemed to be more of a downer because there was no one but the main cast, supporting roles, and villains alive. The planet seemed barren, at least for the series. However, the OVAs and movie seemed to include outside people, as if the planet was inhabited besides the people mentioned above.

This new series not only has a new cast that are relatable but the planet isn't barren. So you get to see other people as well, which makes it seem more interesting. Though, like with every mecha show, I have to ask myself what the onlooking people are thinking when the machines fight through the city... "oh crap, my house is ruined, I hope the government covers that." Either way, it's certainly one of the best comedies this season. The good part is there is some originality to the comedy this time around.

[BetoJR]

So, Aquarion. Yeah... Me likes it.