True Tears - Spoilers and Speculations (based on weekly episode previews)

[vio5555]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

yeah, but we still don't know enough about him to make a proper judgment just yet. it looks like we'll get a glimpse of his true self this ep.

That's true; I'm also fairly willing to acknowledge that he too has a shot at redemption by the end. My point was merely to the effect that he's perhaps the only one who's been trending downwards, but you're probably right that I'm jumping the gun a bit.

[Deathkillz]

Nice evil spoilers...thx for the translations

Spoiler:

So what do we know from this? Jack all!!

Seems like they will hold out until the very end before Shin chooses.

Taking bets ~ and my bet is on Hiromi

[Westlo]

Back to those 11-13 spoilers

Spoiler:

If Shin sees the stones he was made to spell out about Noe in a relationship he was forced into by Jun and suddenly realizes he loves Noe I'll honestly be disappointed. If he was going to end up with Noe I would rather he do it because of something else that those stones which were forced.

[Goodwin999]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Translations if needed:

Spoiler for ep11:

The one you love isn't me

While the city gets riled up preparing for the festival, Shinichirou finishes his picture book.
At that time, Noe and Hiromi's uneasiness that another person other than herself continues to remain in Shinichirou's heart strengthens.
On the night of a certain day, Jun calls Hiromi's cellphone.
Because of his strained voice, she feels a complex confusion but...

Damn you, Jun

Spoiler for ep12:

From my eyes that do not see anything

On the day the 麦覇 (romanji is ?) Festival starts, on the stage illuminated by torches, Noe, Hiromi, and co. watches the powerfully soaring Shinichirou's dance.
After many events have happened, Shinichirou could finally face his true self.
Right now, for who's sake is he dancing for, and for who's sake will he fly?

The moment we've been waiting for?!

Spoiler for ep13:

I want you to properly face it/me, that's why I want you to believe it/me

The joy of understanding, the joy of believing, and the joy of loving can only be attained though interacting with people.
Love drastically exposes people's interiors.
Without worrying about the results, Shinichirou, once again, chooses to face his precious person directly.
As if the coming Spring released the snow-covered earth, can he succeed?

So who did he choose...

Alright based on these three very vague summaries i think i can put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Spoiler for :

In episode 13 "Without worrying about the results, Shin, once again, chooses to face his precious person directly." The only person who fits this description is horomi. Noe is great and everything but Shin just doesn't see her as his precious person.

I will go off on a limb and say that Shin was rejected in either episode 11 or 12 by Horomi and in episode 13 Shin will "ONCE AGAIN" without worrying about the result tell horomi his true feelings.

And lastly about the snow I really doubt that it was referring to Noe it seems more logical that it was referring to horomi's snow.

[cloudninja]

Originally Posted by Goodwin999

Alright based on these three very vague summaries i think i can put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Spoiler for :

In episode 13 "Without worrying about the results, Shin, once again, chooses to face his precious person directly." The only person who fits this description is horomi. Noe is great and everything but Shin just doesn't see her as his precious person.

Spoiler for above:

I will go off on a limb and say that Shin was rejected in either episode 11 or 12 by Horomi and in episode 13 Shin will "ONCE AGAIN" without worrying about the result tell horomi his true feelings.

And lastly about the snow I really doubt that it was referring to Noe it seems more logical that it was referring to horomi's snow.

Spoiler for my thoughts on above:

You could be right about Shin getting 'rejected' although it would probably because of Hiromi misunderstanding Shin's feelings for Noe. If you look at the episode 11 spoilers it shows that Shin did'nt accomplish as much as we might initially have thought by chasing Hiromi at the end of episode 10...

Spoiler for ep11:

The one you love isn't me

While the city gets riled up preparing for the festival, Shinichirou finishes his picture book.
At that time, Noe and Hiromi's uneasiness that another person other than herself continues to remain in Shinichirou's heart strengthens (Why would Hiromi's uneasiness about Noe strengthen unless she sees Shin showing concern for Noe or something of that sort. Since it is Hiromi saying 'The one you love isn't me' then it was'nt Noe breaking up with Shin in this episode as I originally thought and I could see that possibly not happening until episode 12 or 13 based on the episode 12 and 13 spoilers. Noe knows that Shin likes Hiromi but it looks like she's choosing to withdraw from Shin for the moment rather than breaking up with Shin.).
On the night of a certain day, Jun calls Hiromi's cellphone.
Because of his strained voice, she feels a complex confusion but...

Spoiler for ep12:

From my eyes that do not see anything

On the day the 麦覇 (romanji is ?) Festival starts, on the stage illuminated by torches, Noe, Hiromi, and co. watches the powerfully soaring Shinichirou's dance.
After many events have happened, Shinichirou could finally face his true self.
Right now, for who's sake is he dancing for, and for who's sake will he fly?(Hiromi)

Spoiler for ep13:

I want you to properly face it/me, that's why I want you to believe it/me

The joy of understanding, the joy of believing, and the joy of loving can only be attained though interacting with people.
Love drastically exposes people's interiors.
Without worrying about the results, Shinichirou, once again, chooses to face his precious person (Hiromi)directly.
As if the coming Spring released the snow-covered earth, can he succeed? (Yes!)

Spoiler for my thoughts:

It does leave an opening for Hiromi to say the episode 11 title to Shin. I'm not saying that she actually does say it to Shin instead of Jun but it's suspicious that Hiromi would still feel so uneasy about Shin and Noe after episode 10. Which leads me to believe that although Shin made progress with Hiromi by chasing her at the end of episode 10, he probably does'nt actually confess to her at that point (Do it properly you idiot, you said you would did'nt you Why should Hiromi's uneasiness grow stronger unless Shin did'nt quite do things properly yet).

He might try to do something of that sort in episode 11 but he has'nt tried to convince Hiromi that he does'nt like Noe. Which opens the possibility that Hiromi says 'The one you love isn't me' because of her growing uneasiness over thinking that Noe is in Shin's heart while it is Noe who knows that Hiromi is the one who is actually in Shin's heart. Since the storyline has revolved around misunderstandings that get in the way of Shin and Hiromi getting together I would'nt be surprised that the writers bring up another one like this to be overcome in the end.

At any rate the end result is still the same as Hiromi is still the answer to the most important questions of the episode 12 and 13 spoilers. It just adds another twist for Hiromi to reject Shin if she thought that he liked Noe thereby conveniently prolonging the show. If Shin is 'rejected' in episode 11 he might be confused but after examining his feelings during the festival dance in episode 12 his answer is still Hiromi so he will face Hiromi again in episode 13. Which makes sense of the episode 13 title 'I want you to properly face it/me, that's why I want you to believe it/me'. In the end he will finally convince Hiromi that she really is the one that he truly loves. The snow melts as spring arrives to coincide with Hiromi getting over her sadness for good as she and Shin start a new chapter in their lives. I hope they can make that scene even better than the chase scene in episode 10.

We had similar thoughts about the episode 11-13 spoilers so I wanted to flesh out the possibilities a bit more. I'm sure of the ending being with Hiromi it's just that the writers like to throw in some twists along the path to make things interesting. While there may be unexpected twists along the way the destination remains the same. You could say that it's been like that since the show started.

[ZODDGUTS]

Okay Cloudninja you've convince it's likely that's how it's gonna play out. Shin will get rejected by Hiromi possibily because he's showing concerned about Noe she didn't look all that great in the ending of ep 10 and the preview as well. The preview summary for ep 13 makes sense for Shin and Hiromi with the "Without worrying about the results, Shinichirou, once again, chooses to face his precious person directly" assuiming hes been turn down by her which I think she will in ep 11 Shin still decides to face her once again telling his feelings.

And the title for ep 13 is Shin telling Hiromi to believe in him that he truely loves her "I want you to properly face it/me, that's why I want you to believe it/me".

The only thing that made me believe that it may have not been Hiromi telling Shin in the preview for ep 11 that "The one you love isn't me" is because of her tone of voice. But now I think she may have seen Shin very concerned about Noe to possibly make her think that it isn't her that she's loves causing her to be very heart broken and mad at him which is why her tone of voice sounded that way.

Lots of drama still coming at our way in this series.

[cloudninja]

Originally Posted by ZODDGUTS

Okay Cloudninja you've convince it's likely that's how it's gonna play out. Shin will get rejected by Hiromi possibily because he's showing concerned about Noe she didn't look all that great in the ending of ep 10 and the preview as well. The preview summary for ep 13 makes sense for Shin and Hiromi with the "Without worrying about the results, Shinichirou, once again, chooses to face his precious person directly" assuiming hes been turn down by her which I think she will in ep 11 Shin still decides to face her once again telling his feelings.

And the title for ep 13 is Shin telling Hiromi to believe in him that he truely loves her "I want you to properly face it/me, that's why I want you to believe it/me".

The only thing that made me believe that it may have not been Hiromi telling Shin in the preview for ep 11 that "The one you love isn't me" is because of her tone of voice. But now I think she may have seen Shin very concerned about Noe to possibly make her think that it isn't her that she's loves causing her to be very heart broken and mad at him which is why her tone of voice sounded that way.

Lots of drama still coming at our way in this series.

I was just thinking that it would be boring and unlikely for things to take a direct path towards the Shin-Hiromi ending. The episodes 11-13 spoiler lines make it very plausible for that twist to occur to make things more interesting. Three episodes is still a long way to go so I would expect the writers to try and keep up the suspense as much as possible which is what makes that theory very possible. From the episode 11-13 spoilers it does look like they're trying to at least maintain the illusion of uncertainty. If it was'nt for those spoilers I would have expected the chase scene ending in episode 10 to have had a lot more impact but it seems Hiromi has a growing uneasiness about Shin's relationship with Noe. I don't mind being wrong as long as they can make it entertaining these last 3 episodes while maintaining consistency with the story that's been developed.

[ZODDGUTS]

True.

And about Hiromi I'll be still staying true with her character she has shown concerned about Noe since the beginning of the series because Shin has been close to her. Another thing to cause concern to her is that eventhough she has broken up with Jun Shin hasn't broken up with Noe so he's still in a relationship with her. Shin will have a hard doing so because he'll know I'll hurt Noe, Hiromi will take it as you can't break up with because you love her type of thing. Also Noe will have one last outing/time with Shin as she said in ep 10 maybe Hiromi will catch them going on a one last date or have a one last kiss from Noe causing Hiromi to think about him really liking Noe and not her.

[vio5555]

The one thing that seriously concerns me about this scenario you two are laying out is that it requires a total 180 degree turn from the events of episode 10 where Shin finds some resolve at the end and chases Hiromi.

Are we really debating a course that emphasizes drama for the sake of drama while weakening the story?

I would honestly feel that the story has been significantly weakened if Hiromi does indeed say those words to Shin, just as I would have felt the story would have been significantly weakened in the previous episode if Hiromi had actually been removing her clothing in front of Jun...

I think we can at least give the animators the benefit of the doubt that they're not going to needlessly string this out in the sense of drama at any cost to the story.

Then again, I do see the specific parts of the translated weekly previews that are giving you guys pause..., it just seems like it would weaken the experience if it goes that way...

[golthin]

Originally Posted by vio5555

The one thing that seriously concerns me about this scenario you two are laying out is that it requires a total 180 degree turn from the events of episode 10 where Shin finds some resolve at the end and chases Hiromi.

Are we really debating a course that emphasizes drama for the sake of drama while weakening the story?

I would honestly feel that the story has been significantly weakened if Hiromi does indeed say those words to Shin, just as I would have felt the story would have been significantly weakened in the previous episode if Hiromi had actually been removing her clothing in front of Jun...

I think we can at least give the animators the benefit of the doubt that they're not going to needlessly string this out in the sense of drama at any cost to the story.

Then again, I do see the specific parts of the translated weekly previews that are giving you guys pause..., it just seems like it would weaken the experience if it goes that way...

this is torture! I promised to mysef I was not going to try to predict anything else because so far everything that I've predicted with the exception of AikoxShin ending together has become reality and I wanted to retire with such a good average. I am going to go on and do my last prediction, HiromixShin. This is not a matter of WHEN or IF but of HOW it will happen.

[cloudninja]

Originally Posted by vio5555

The one thing that seriously concerns me about this scenario you two are laying out is that it requires a total 180 degree turn from the events of episode 10 where Shin finds some resolve at the end and chases Hiromi.

Are we really debating a course that emphasizes drama for the sake of drama while weakening the story?

I would honestly feel that the story has been significantly weakened if Hiromi does indeed say those words to Shin, just as I would have felt the story would have been significantly weakened in the previous episode if Hiromi had actually been removing her clothing in front of Jun...

I think we can at least give the animators the benefit of the doubt that they're not going to needlessly string this out in the sense of drama at any cost to the story.

Then again, I do see the specific parts of the translated weekly previews that are giving you guys pause..., it just seems like it would weaken the experience if it goes that way...

Actually, it seems kind of fitting that the final obstacle or misunderstanding would be about Shin's relationship with Noe. Hiromi was obviously worried about seeing Shin with Noe early in episode 2 which caused her to make attempts to get closer to Shin after distancing herself from him for the previous year. From the episode 11 preview spoiler it says that Hiromi's uneasiness in thinking that Noe is in Shin's heart actually strengthens. I think Noe may realize what she needs to do but finds it so painful that instead of breaking up with Shin she just withdraws from him for now. Which pushes the breakup between them to episode 12 or 13.

Which indicates to me that Shin did'nt 'do everything properly' as he promised at the end of episode 10. I think Shin in episode 11 may reach out to a depressed and withdrawn Noe which would give doubt to Hiromi who misunderstands Shin's feelings, resulting in her rejecting him after a weak attempt at a confession. That could send him into confusion about her words and episode 12 is where he examines his feelings and comes back to the same conclusion as before that Hiromi is the one he wants.

In episode 13, it would make sense from the title 'I want you to properly face it/me, that's why I want you to believe it/me' and the line 'Without worrying about the results, Shinichirou, once again, chooses to face his precious person directly' that Shin once again confesses to Hiromi, this time with conviction and finally convinces Hiromi of his feelings for her. In the end he will finally 'do everything properly'. The 'once again' part along with the other lines strongly suggest to me that Shin tried and failed in confessing to Hiromi at an earlier point.

Anyway I don't have any doubt that the eventual 'destination' is Hiromi. It's just that the journey probably won't be as simple as some people expected after the episode 10 chase scene. As many people said, that's kind of early for them to truly resolve everything. I think it's major progress but Shin himself probably messes it up in episode 11. Again, I don't mind being wrong but the episode 11-13 previews indicate further trouble for Shin and Hiromi before the resolution in episode 13.

Originally Posted by vio5555

Are we really debating a course that emphasizes drama for the sake of drama while weakening the story?

I would honestly feel that the story has been significantly weakened if Hiromi does indeed say those words to Shin, just as I would have felt the story would have been significantly weakened in the previous episode if Hiromi had actually been removing her clothing in front of Jun...

Hiromi's insecurity about Shin's relationship with Noe is consistent with the story because she has had it since episode 2. The misleading preview clip about episode 9 that 'suggested' that Hiromi was stripping in front of Jun is the one that is inconsistent with the story. Two totally different things in my mind.

[vio5555]

Yeah, don't get me wrong, your logic is one of the most plausible scenarios I've seen laid out (based on the 11,12,13 spoilers we've seen), which is why I gave it that response which was more a musing of my thoughts on "if it goes that route you've laid out", then how do I feel about it.

Also, I do think you bring up an interesting point about Shin and Noe at their "break up point". I think its interesting that break ups seem to take quite a lot of pushing and prodding to occur in this series, so I definitely agree that it won't be as simple a scenario as the most straightforward projections entail..., but I look forward to being wrong simply because I said that ;p

[jcdish]

Judging from the episode titles and summaries, I'm going to say

Spoiler:

Jun somehow guilts Hiromi into saying episode 11's title to Shinchiro

[hai_san]

I believe that at the end it will be Hiromi whom Shin choose because of the premise that Shin & Hiromi were at festival before too, it was then that Hiromi realized that she likes Shin, so by the last ep/end it would make a full circle again.

[cloudninja]

Originally Posted by hai_san

I believe that at the end it will be Hiromi whom Shin choose because of the premise that Shin & Hiromi were at festival before too, it was then that Hiromi realized that she likes Shin, so by the last ep/end it would make a full circle again.

It would'nt surprise me if they reveal that the festival was a cherished memory for Shin as well, not just for Hiromi. His reaction of surprise in episode 10 when Hiromi revealed that she did'nt forget hints that it meant something to him and he was surprised in episode 3 to see that she had 'forgotten' about that memory. Watch Shin carefully from 18:05 onwards in episode 10 to see why I think it might be an important memory for Shin as well.

I would like to see Shin tell Hiromi that he felt the same way about their shared memory of the festival and to let her know that his sketch was about her. That would make it a nice way to help convince Hiromi in episode 13 that he's been in love with her for a long time.

Anyway, the way they kept bringing up Hiromi's memory of their time together at the festival to me made it almost as strong an indicator of the direction the show would take as the initial picture book sketches. That would coincide with the episode 12 festival dance as it matches with the episode 12 preview line 'Right now, for who's sake is he dancing for, and for who's sake will he fly?'.

There have actually been quite a few connections left by the writers that tell us the general direction of the show.

[ZODDGUTS]

Also have to say I think now the preview was misleading for ep 11. Before the "The one you love isn't me" line you hear Jun saying " You won't meet up?" so obviously you would think like I did that both Jun and Hiromi would meet up leading to the "The one you love isn't me" but now I think it was just a throw off from the writers of the show to make us think it was Jun she was talking to only to shock us that it was in fact Shin. They've done this several times in the previews to throw us off only for it to be something else.

[serenade_beta]

In the website's summary for episode 11, it is similar to the previous one given out, except for one main difference (there are other pointless changes though):

Shinichirou finishes his picture --> Shinichirou finishes his picture book, but hesitates to show it to Noe.

Spoiler for pictures:

1. Hiromi & ...?
2. Breakfast...
3. Noe, at night, at the chicken coop
4. Jun being Jun... Geez
5. Aiko blushing and who?
6. More chicken coop and Noe
7. Hiromi+Popsicle+Glasses
8. Needs to finish things off...

[golthin]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

In the website's summary for episode 11, it is similar to the previous one given out, except for one main difference (there are other pointless changes though):

Shinichirou finishes his picture --> Shinichirou finishes his picture book, but hesitates to show it to Noe.

Spoiler for pictures:

5. Aiko blushing and who?

Spoiler:

Wow, Aiko is making up with nobuse already? That has to be nobuse asking Aiko out or something! I am surprised that Aiko had some screen time this episode! Ok That has to be the worst draw phone in anime history, but I think I see some tears coming from Aiko, so that has to be Nobuse on the phone asking Aiko out again this time properly. Congratulation to Aiko! She doesn't end alone! that was FAST reconciliation!

[vio5555]

Originally Posted by golthin

Spoiler:

Wow, Aiko is making up with nobuse already? That has to be nobuse asking Aiko out or something! I am surprised that Aiko had some screen time this episode! Ok That has to be the worst draw phone in anime history, but I think I see some tears coming from Aiko, so that has to be Nobuse on the phone asking Aiko out again this time properly. Congratulation to Aiko! She doesn't end alone! that was FAST reconciliation!

While I do think that a picture is worth a thousand words (and you're taking it literally ;p), I think we really need to get some grasp of context even though your conjecture is probably one of the few logical paths to lead to that scene.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by hai_san

I believe that at the end it will be Hiromi whom Shin choose because of the premise that Shin & Hiromi were at festival before too, it was then that Hiromi realized that she likes Shin, so by the last ep/end it would make a full circle again.

Also the first half (the subdued part) of track #30 from the ost played when Hiromi talked about how she cherished the festival memory and would never forget it, the second half of that song has to play when they get together properly!