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Rand · 2004-10-08, 04:39

Ah ! Many of you already saw it ! When will I be able to see it / buy it in France ?

7thMethuselah · 2004-10-08, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Rand

Ah ! Many of you already saw it ! When will I be able to see it / buy it in France ?

Check you local theathers, it's probably coming quite soon, however since it's selected for the Cannes Film Festival it might be shown there first, but I'm not sure if Cannes Festival has allready taken place or not this year

Anyway, europe usually gets movies about 4-6 weeks after the US release, but keep an eye out, since it probably won't be showing for long. I've allready looked for DVD's but no word on them yet so far.

Meatwad · 2004-10-08, 15:40

This movie was pretty bad, it seems as if they spent millions and millions of dollars on animating it and forgot to hire GOOD writers. 40% to 50% of the dialog is all quotes from fomous philosophers....

mantidor · 2004-10-09, 00:53

I watched it and I liked it. The superb CG animation made a huge contrast with the not as superb (but still great) normal animation, so it was a bit distracting, I didnt like the music very much, I loved the music on the original, specially the opening (if you can call it like that), but the opening in innocence wasnt as good imo. The story is interesting, but not really innovative at all, it was like more of the same, which can be great or not depending on how you see it.

Leonidas Tzu · 2004-10-09, 12:29

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Originally Posted by Meatwad

This movie was pretty bad, it seems as if they spent millions and millions of dollars on animating it and forgot to hire GOOD writers. 40% to 50% of the dialog is all quotes from fomous philosophers....

Three quotes from 'fomous' philosophers and one Biblical quote :\.

As mentioned formerly in this thread, there is a myriad amount of info to drink in and it becomes rather difficult to fully comprehend in one sitting. However I did enjoy it immensely.

7thMethuselah · 2004-10-09, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Leonidas Tzu

Three quotes from 'fomous' philosophers and one Biblical quote :\.

As mentioned formerly in this thread, there is a myriad amount of info to drink in and it becomes rather difficult to fully comprehend in one sitting. However I did enjoy it immensely.

I think the quotes were kinda cool, but they overdid it a bit, not to mention it got quite confusing at times, but this isn't the first time that GitS or GitS:SAC is confusing to me.

I think most people will agree that the story wasn't worked out the way it should've been, awesome animation but apparently less attention for the story.

ubb · 2004-10-10, 10:35

It's not about the script that set up and push the story forward, it's more about what they have said about the difference between a man and a machine in that era that lets us reflect on what makes us human. But I do agreed, they use way too many quotes from philosophers and the bible.

JaXter · 2004-10-10, 15:15

i have seen it 2 times now.
-_- But i`m still getting confused over and over and over .....
First of al, they put in just TO MANY CG and way less of anime, second of al there where only 4 ~ 6 good scenes, and the rest was to much crap" like that scene when they where in that huge mansion".
That scene got repeated 4 time`s, kinda anoying i`l say,....
And what about the major she came and she went -_- just to fast, what a shame

but overall it wasnt a bad movie though.

p.s.
sorry for the spelling ^_^

Pepperidge · 2004-10-13, 02:51

Finally.

October 15
Montreal, Canada Cinema du Parc Montreal

October 29
Edmonton, AB CPLX S. Edmonton Common 16 Edmonton
Toronto, ON CPL First Marham Pl 10 Toronto
Vancouver, BC CPLX Granville Vancouver

hunterx · 2004-10-13, 10:31

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Originally Posted by JaXter

i have seen it 2 times now.
-_- But i`m still getting confused over and over and over .....
First of al, they put in just TO MANY CG and way less of anime, second of al there where only 4 ~ 6 good scenes, and the rest was to much crap" like that scene when they where in that huge mansion".
That scene got repeated 4 time`s, kinda anoying i`l say,....
And what about the major she came and she went -_- just to fast, what a shame

but overall it wasnt a bad movie though.

p.s.
sorry for the spelling ^_^

exactly, the ghost jacking sequences were confusing and out of place. The point of the story which I get, and the actual story were just too opposite to put them together. If they just wanted to dwell on man/machine philosophy they didn't need 3 ghost jacking scenes to do it.

I really can't believe how they let the director get away with going completely overboard like that, it just looks like an overdone CGI slapped on with too many borrowed quotes and a half assed story.

Ledgem · 2004-10-13, 19:46

I saw Innocence a few weeks ago, and to be honest I think it was one of the best movies I've ever seen. People who dislike it are often told that they probably feel that way because it was over their head - I don't think it's over anyone's head, though for certain all of the less-than-obvious themes and meanings will be... well, less than obvious initially. It felt like there was less action than in the first movie, and I suppose that to many people it would have become boring during quite a few segments. If you get into those sorts of movies where it'll put you into a state of thought and pondering, though, you should really check it out. Since we're all different, no guarantees that it'll set off thoughts for you, but it just might.

Another interesting concept to consider, which I felt while watching but never really realized (mentioned by a friend of mine) is that the settings and scenes themselves heavily lend to the messages conveyed by the film, and the philosophy. This could explain why certain people - caring less for what at face value just seems like a drawn out segment of CG artists trying to show off - would find some parts boring (also, those watching on their computers might miss out on some of the detail/atmosphere generated by the theater experience).

jennwenn · 2004-10-13, 19:56

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Originally Posted by hunterx

exactly, the ghost jacking sequences were confusing and out of place. The point of the story which I get, and the actual story were just too opposite to put them together. If they just wanted to dwell on man/machine philosophy they didn't need 3 ghost jacking scenes to do it.

I really can't believe how they let the director get away with going completely overboard like that, it just looks like an overdone CGI slapped on with too many borrowed quotes and a half assed story.

Its Mamoru Oshii, he ALWAYS goes overboard and does whatever the hell he wants, even if it means not staying true to the original source AT ALL. He did it with Patlabor, Urusei Yatsura, and in my opinion, Ghost in the Shell 1 & 2 fall into the same boat. But, he's just so damn good, even though I dislike his inconsistency, I let it slide for its pure awesomeness.

I think Stand Alone Complex was much better at conveying the feel of the original manga, but the movies are amazing in its own right.

Oshii makes the characters really dry sometimes, but I think this fits well with Masamune Shirow cause he can't really make a believable character either. His manga reads like a techno bible. People don't matter.

I liked the "creepy" feel to the movie.

Sakaki · 2004-10-13, 20:32

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Originally Posted by jennwenn

Its Mamoru Oshii, he ALWAYS goes overboard and does whatever the hell he wants, even if it means not staying true to the original source AT ALL. He did it with Patlabor, Urusei Yatsura, and in my opinion, Ghost in the Shell 1 & 2 fall into the same boat. But, he's just so damn good, even though I dislike his inconsistency, I let it slide for its pure awesomeness.

True very true about Oshiil, I really like the general atmosphere and feel to his movies, (at least GITS and Patlabor).

I saw GITS2 last night and I kept waiting for the "boat on the river set to music" scene, witch I think the "Chinese parade" fitted.

(Actually the movie was playing in town for 2 weeks and I didn't realize it, because I didn't think it would get shown here, so I wasn't really looking out for it.)

husyk · 2004-12-06, 18:14

Where can I find on info for making of Ghost in the Shell 2 Inocense? Any info, sites, pics, vids? Would have to be in english since I don't japanese. Its an awesome movie, and want to find more info about it. Much appreciated.

7thMethuselah · 2004-12-06, 18:22

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Originally Posted by husyk

Where can I find on info for making of Ghost in the Shell 2 Inocense? Any info, sites, pics, vids? Would have to be in english since I don't japanese. Its an awesome movie, and want to find more info about it. Much appreciated.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ency...me.php?id=2081

husyk · 2004-12-06, 18:26

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Originally Posted by 7thMethuselah

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ency...me.php?id=2081

Thanks a bunch.

2004-10-13, 02:51	Link #29
Pepperidge Dissatisfied Canadian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: British Columbia, Canada Age: 37	Innocence Canadian Premiere Dates Finally. October 15 Montreal, Canada Cinema du Parc Montreal October 29 Edmonton, AB CPLX S. Edmonton Common 16 Edmonton Toronto, ON CPL First Marham Pl 10 Toronto Vancouver, BC CPLX Granville Vancouver

2004-10-13, 19:46	Link #31
Ledgem Love Yourself Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northeast USA Age: 38	I saw Innocence a few weeks ago, and to be honest I think it was one of the best movies I've ever seen. People who dislike it are often told that they probably feel that way because it was over their head - I don't think it's over anyone's head, though for certain all of the less-than-obvious themes and meanings will be... well, less than obvious initially. It felt like there was less action than in the first movie, and I suppose that to many people it would have become boring during quite a few segments. If you get into those sorts of movies where it'll put you into a state of thought and pondering, though, you should really check it out. Since we're all different, no guarantees that it'll set off thoughts for you, but it just might. Another interesting concept to consider, which I felt while watching but never really realized (mentioned by a friend of mine) is that the settings and scenes themselves heavily lend to the messages conveyed by the film, and the philosophy. This could explain why certain people - caring less for what at face value just seems like a drawn out segment of CG artists trying to show off - would find some parts boring (also, those watching on their computers might miss out on some of the detail/atmosphere generated by the theater experience). __________________

2004-12-06, 18:14	Link #34
husyk Stupid Flanders! (Homer) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Taxachussetts Age: 39	Where can I find info on Ghost in the Shell 2? Where can I find on info for making of Ghost in the Shell 2 Inocense? Any info, sites, pics, vids? Would have to be in english since I don't japanese. Its an awesome movie, and want to find more info about it. Much appreciated. Last edited by NoSanninWa; 2004-12-06 at 18:46. Reason: Threads merged. Please SEARCH before creating a new thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2004-10-08, 04:39	Link #21
Rand Dragon Reborn Join Date: Apr 2004	Ah ! Many of you already saw it ! When will I be able to see it / buy it in France ?

2004-10-08, 15:40	Link #23
Meatwad Banned Join Date: Sep 2004	This movie was pretty bad, it seems as if they spent millions and millions of dollars on animating it and forgot to hire GOOD writers. 40% to 50% of the dialog is all quotes from fomous philosophers....

2004-10-09, 00:53	Link #24
mantidor the Iniquitous Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: bogotá	I watched it and I liked it. The superb CG animation made a huge contrast with the not as superb (but still great) normal animation, so it was a bit distracting, I didnt like the music very much, I loved the music on the original, specially the opening (if you can call it like that), but the opening in innocence wasnt as good imo. The story is interesting, but not really innovative at all, it was like more of the same, which can be great or not depending on how you see it.

2004-10-10, 10:35	Link #27
ubb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	It's not about the script that set up and push the story forward, it's more about what they have said about the difference between a man and a machine in that era that lets us reflect on what makes us human. But I do agreed, they use way too many quotes from philosophers and the bible.

2004-10-10, 15:15	Link #28
JaXter -=Anime Lover=- Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: the netherlands Age: 37	i have seen it 2 times now. -_- But i`m still getting confused over and over and over ..... First of al, they put in just TO MANY CG and way less of anime, second of al there where only 4 ~ 6 good scenes, and the rest was to much crap" like that scene when they where in that huge mansion". That scene got repeated 4 time`s, kinda anoying i`l say,.... And what about the major she came and she went -_- just to fast, what a shame but overall it wasnt a bad movie though. p.s. sorry for the spelling ^_^