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View Poll Results: Choose your race
Human 14 11.48%
Elf 27 22.13%
Dwarf 1 0.82%
Kemomimi 8 6.56%
Vampire 19 15.57%
Half-Elf 9 7.38%
Half-Dwarf 1 0.82%
Half-Kemomimi 3 2.46%
Half-Vampire 22 18.03%
Non-Humanoid Races 18 14.75%
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Old 2018-02-11, 07:47   Link #2401
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I told you it's the cat. lol.
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Old 2018-02-11, 08:09   Link #2402
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Did those subordinates gained any good skills from turning into vamps? Also, did they also gained that light crest thing?
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THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON.
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Old 2018-02-11, 08:22   Link #2403
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^Yes, Yes
They became the most OP Race in the universe
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Old 2018-02-11, 11:03   Link #2404
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^^Vampires naturally come with a decent set of skills.
In this case it would be mesmerizing eyes and regeneration, as well as an overall increase physical abilities.
As for like new skills, the only one of them that has managed to work out a new vampire (aka blood) skill at this point is Misty. Everyone else is still working on it.

They didn't gain the light crest. They aren't weak to light or anything, and in fact due to the crest they allegedly are able to use light magic (if they learn any spells, that is), but they don't just get the whole extra skill.
So they don't adsorb light magic attacks nor have the mind defense skill that goes with it.
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Old 2018-02-11, 11:46   Link #2405
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@sasuke706 Was there any development between Shuuya and the ancient dragon he met on one of the portals of his device.
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Old 2018-02-11, 11:49   Link #2406
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Yeah. He left his own baby ancient dragon with her to raise, which apparently is a heavy sign of trust? love? something like that for ancient dragons.
So she formed some sort of link with him that quite honestly hasn't been important at all.
She hasn't appeared since that ordeal but during it she was pretty much acting like his wife and was gradually making her wrinkled face not-wrinkled.
They never did any newlywed activities though, if you catch my drift. She was mostly just trying to stop Shuuya from getting too familiar with a female dungeon master that lives nearby.

So basically he has two ancient dragon companions, although one is very much still a baby.
Well, it's more like a future thing since neither are actually actively with him.
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Old 2018-02-11, 11:56   Link #2407
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^ Nice. Shuuya's companions are truly over powered.
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Old 2018-02-11, 16:06   Link #2408
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So, last one. Can I ask what happened to Owl's Fang?
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Samurai, in the old days, used two swords: a katana and a wakizashi. Having two blades in your belt meant you were a fully fledged warrior.
But at some point, we threw away that pride, lost the belief that we should protect others, and all that was left was the one weapon to protect ourselves....


THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON.
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Old 2018-02-11, 16:16   Link #2409
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Shuuya killed all the main members (save for one archer woman who he let go) and got evidence of their darker deals so that the local police would leave him alone for killing a recognized noble
While I'm at it, he also killed off the other dark guilds in Pelnate (a dungeon town) too. So now the city only has one real dark guild in it—the one he took over.

Other dark guilds seem to occasionally try to get some turf in the city but it hasn't been going too well.
It also seems some guilds have some leftovers still around but aren't worth bothering over.

Should be noted that Pelnate is also the only city that seemingly only has one Dark Guild now. Every other city seems to have like at least 3.
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Old 2018-02-12, 08:59   Link #2410
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Thanks for those..

Well, I did say last one but can I ask for some more? What's the deal with those parasitic bugs?
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Samurai, in the old days, used two swords: a katana and a wakizashi. Having two blades in your belt meant you were a fully fledged warrior.
But at some point, we threw away that pride, lost the belief that we should protect others, and all that was left was the one weapon to protect ourselves....


THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON.
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Old 2018-02-12, 10:03   Link #2411
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An apostle to an evil god (a god from a dungeon) was releasing parasites into people here and there.
They would raise the person's abilities but also gain the right to make the person go berserk.
Shuuya later found and killed this apostle, but has had no interaction with the god itself.
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Old 2018-02-13, 18:57   Link #2412
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Oh, I see.

One thing I forgot to ask. Did his household have the same power of shinso as his? Did they also have the same condition at the start (drinking virgins' blood)?
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Samurai, in the old days, used two swords: a katana and a wakizashi. Having two blades in your belt meant you were a fully fledged warrior.
But at some point, we threw away that pride, lost the belief that we should protect others, and all that was left was the one weapon to protect ourselves....


THE NEO ARMSTRONG CYCLONE JET ARMSTRONG CANNON.
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Old 2018-02-13, 19:10   Link #2413
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You mean drinking virgin blood to awaken new vampire abilities and promote evolution bit?
The only other known progenitor/shinso in this story that we know of is Lugnado, the vampire god. We don't know much about her origins though.
At the very least it hasn't been noted that virgin blood does anything special for any other vampires. Hell, it doesn't do anything special for Shuuya anymore.

Virgin blood seems like it'd be important in certain demon rituals though. Hasn't been brought up since the very beginning, so who knows.
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Old 2018-02-13, 20:17   Link #2414
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haven't been reading for a while, has he met vampire Empress yet?
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Old 2018-02-13, 20:24   Link #2415
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No, but she spied on him (as a dove) along with many other (raven) vampires when he was fighting the Black Wing Brigade and sort of their Deep God patron.
So she knows of him (and seemed slightly charmed by his, well, vampire side) and has also informed Lugnado of him, who had mixed feelings about someone escaping from her influence but might also be a fun fight.

He's also met one of her direct servants and killed one of his direct servants (and the other two also got killed, but by someone else), and he's killed another of her direct servant's servants.
So he's killed off a decent amount of their upper hierarchy, but nothing irreplaceable yet. Seeing as they only have 3 of the Chief Servant class left and all.
She did order them to not mess with him, though. Not that her servants seem to have any inclination of actually listening to her, with Hoffman even plotting to eventually overthrow her. Except apparently he still considers her too strong.
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Old 2018-02-13, 20:32   Link #2416
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Other vampires should be 100x stronger than Shuuya since they live much longer than him
Vampirism too OP
Why is the world not overrun by vampires again?
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Old 2018-02-13, 21:38   Link #2417
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Shuuya has a learning cheat skill, not to mention his other cheat skills. He masters spear techniques pretty much the first time he sees them, and has enough natural mental fortitude to learn any spell he attempts to.
Plus as a vampire he's higher up in the chain than the Empress.

Vampires also have a lot of enemies and can only make so many servants, with the lesser servants not actually being that strong. Werewolves, priests, vampire hunters, other vampires (inside and outside their family), sometimes adventurers, and random factions will all go after them.
Plus vampire class seems pretty important in the equation. Like Hoffman has a skill steal ability but still considers himself not ready to take on the Empress.

It seems vampires need to unlock the third blood gate before they can make servants too, which when you aren't Shuuya it supposedly takes a decent amount of time, especially depending on the variety of blood they can consume.
Honestly with all their reproduction problems it's amazing they can even expand as much as they do already. Which the author has pretty much said they found a way to replace lost servants by upgrading other servants through some unmentioned method. Otherwise once you lose a vampire of high rank that rank would literally be gone forever otherwise.

So the Empress is apparently a pretty remarkable vampire (maybe even Lugnado's first servant, which as we know from Shuuya is supposedly the one with the strongest traits), and Shuuya considers Hoffman pretty good. But Hoffman was also clearly worse than Shuuya against the death butterflies.

You also have to consider that the Valmasque vampires in particular seem to have adopted a secret society approach and don't actively try to cause trouble. And to get stronger you kind of need to face adversity and get into some tough fights.
I imagine once they get content with their lifestyle they get into less and less fights.

In short, living longer = better fighter is bad logic.
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Old 2018-02-13, 21:53   Link #2418
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^I get the limited servants thing
But shouldn't the bloodsucking works the same?
Even if not to the point of soulsucking, bloodsucking will gradually make you stronger
And iirc there's no growth limit for anyone in this world
Even if they grow at 1% of Shuuya's speed, many should be at his level now

Also adding the fact that this Shuuya dude found like 20 items with some of them legendary in 1 dungeon floor
Other people and vampires, even with lesser luck should've found some empowerment items in their long life
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Old 2018-02-13, 23:17   Link #2419
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Nah, bloodsucking isn't really the same. Veronica mentions that a strong variety of fresh blood can help promote the development of their blood gates, not necessarily make them stronger.
But just because you become a vampire doesn't make you strong. In fact, the odds of a strong person willingly choosing to become a vampire seems unlikely and even veteran vampires would have trouble forcing them to become servants.
That means vampire A makes Average Joe into Vampire B, and vampire B has to be content with rabbit and street urchin blood for a while, or risk getting himself killed for a better meal.
This is where vampire hiearchy comes in because basic vampire servant regeneration doesn't seem all that great. Rather the biggest benefit to becoming the lowest rank of vampire just seems to be immortality; otherwise it comes with quite a few demerits that don't really make up for the nice to have but not all that great regeneration.

It's never been mentioned that there's no growth limit anywhere. Rather, different races probably have different standards of strength.
I imagine there's no hard cap, but soft caps very likely exist. Shuuya managed to get his strength and agility really high easily due to his race, and then it slowed down a lot after a while. Like the only notable changes he gets now is doing shit like godslaying.
This decrease likely increases to the point of no notable change for all races, even if there's no hard cap.
I imagine this is also why Shuuya was able to get back his mind stat easily after making a lot of servants, since he already raised it up it was easy to gain back.

That's why Elves—who seem to able to live for 1500-2000 years if they don't die before then—aren't all that amazing despite their life spans.
Their physical and magical limits seem pretty much the same as humans, so while they get more time to improve skills, one average soldier elf taking on like 20 soldiers would normally still a stupidly tough hurdle.
That's basically 20 people with the exact same physical abilities, maybe more or less in some areas depending on the person, with potential random skills that can take them by surprise against one person who basically just has more experience, and may not even necessarily be a better fighter.
Like the Blood Elf Long-ears are the most notable elf group for their fighting abilities, but the famous swordsman among them was losing to a Japanese summoned guy, and their leader was somewhat losing to the Black Wing Brigade leader when he was a human.

It's the same concept of no matter how much a human trains they won't be faster than a cheetah, we certainly can't flap our arms and fly, so the impossible is impossible and difficult things are still difficult no matter how much time elapses.
An apprentice fighter will naturally learn faster than a veteran simply because there's more for them to learn, whereas they'll eventually come to a standstill and need to seek new inspiration to learn anything new. Which this inspiration will often bring with it their death, requiring them to be cautious to an extent. Which is also where Shuuya's growth cheat comes in, since he typically learns this shit mid-fight and uses it against the opponent, whereas normally you'd need to practice a while and even then still need to work at it.

Also, they do find empowerment items, it's just that items in this series aren't as overpowered as items from other series tend to be.
Like a legendary magic sword has a slight increase to agility and strength. That's it. Shuuya's mythological god-slaying spear is just super sharp, durable, has a fancy pokey tail, and nothing else.
The items in this world aren't going to blow away a mountain or likely even double a person's strength. Plus some items with bigger benefits might to have big demerits, AKA are cursed items.
The most interesting magic items aren't even weapons, like Shuuya's two tiger-statues or the youth restoration potions.

Naturally the Valmasque's have a hoard stashed up too—one of which Veronica took with her, which was Margit. Hoffman also had a few interesting ones that Shuuya took.
Vampires seem to prefer to do backroom deal stuff, and not actually go into the dungeon themselves as well. Like Veronica has literally no interest in being an adventurer.

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Old 2018-02-13, 23:45   Link #2420
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^I like reading your explanations
So well, basically Shuuya is so powerful because he's a cheat yarou
I kinda wished there's a loophole in the system to be exploited to easily become strong or the system allows anyone to be strong
But people are generally weak and cheat traits beat them all
While the actually strong beings like High Vampires and Gods are hikki who hates adventuring...
Bruh...
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