GATE - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Syan48306

And just like that Rory obtained Itami's soul.

She's an apostle, but even demons have better etiquette than that.

Originally Posted by rladls2121

I wonder if living being like Dragons would ever be put in a zoo someday?

I can't imagine them being environmentally important so they can just go extinct.

[LKK]

Either I missed something or totally misunderstood some point, regardless I'm confused. Why would anyone think that killing the dragon would help Tuka's sanity?

[bakato]

Originally Posted by LKK

Either I missed something or totally misunderstood some point, regardless I'm confused. Why would anyone think that killing the dragon would help Tuka's sanity?

She saw her father being killed by the dragon and is in denial over his death. Killing the dragon that caused her loss might help her, or something...Now, I'm confused. I hate crazy people.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by bakato

The dragon is killing her people. It's not revenge.

She was talking for the most part about the family it's TAKEN and how she wants to get back for that, asked how to overcome her loss if not by putting an end to the beast. That's revenge in a nutshell. Frankly, it might be almost merciful at this point, that dragon's seriously injured and probably in a lot of pain, so you could see it as putting it out of its misery. At least now it's weaker, so a large force might not be quite as necessary... unless you take into account the flamethrowing part.

As far as Tuka, Itami himself was uncertain about this, that's why he asked the resident shrink about trauma from violent family loss and whether vengeance would help, to which of course the shrink could only say it might do nothing, or it might hurt her, but there are some who can't move on until they've put an end to things in such a way. So, by confronting the creature that ate her father directly, forcing her to remember the experience, and then putting an end to the horror with the dragon's life just might bring her closure and allow her to accept what's happened. She'd still be traumatized, but she'd have better hope for recovery having accepted reality. Of course, then she'd have to deal with the embarrassment of knowing she'd been clinging to Itami and acting spoiled for him for days.

I imagine Noriko will wind up with a similar problem when they finally sit her down and tell her what'd happened. Not only has she been a sex slave for six months to a year (I don't know exactly how long), but when she was finally freed it turns out that everyone who matters to her is already dead, leaving her with absolutely nothing. That'll be a hard realization too; I wouldn't be surprised if she enlisted, partly to cling to her saviors when everyone else is gone, and partly out of a similar desire to find someone to release her grief and rage at.

[thundrakkon]

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Originally Posted by LKK

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BWTraveller explained it pretty well.

In short, it's a matter of stages. First she must see the dragon and confront it. That will initially bring her back to reality, realize her dad has died, and face the horror in front of her. Next is killing the dragon, which is the cause of her trauma. When the dragon is gone, she will feel empty inside, but she will finally be able to move on with her life.

[LKK]

I see. Thanks, you guys. I don't agree with their reasoning, but at least now I understand what they're thinking.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by LKK

I see. Thanks, you guys. I don't agree with their reasoning, but at least now I understand what they're thinking.

You don't need to agree with it. Point is there is no simple answer to metal illness, and as such there is no right or wrong answer. Itami is doing what he thinks is best for her, it might be wrong but it is better than ignoring it, that's his opinion.

It is also why he refused to bring his team mates, and was going to leave Rory and Lelei out of it too. It was an unreasonably dangerous and potentially fruitless quest, and he could not justify anyone else losing their lives for this.

Basically, Itami was trying to be a hero. And being a hero generally means doing something immensely retarded.

[SPARTAN 119]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

I wonder if living being like Dragons would ever be put in a zoo someday?

Not sure about a Flame Dragon- too dangerous- but possibly the smaller ones or some other Special Region creatures, though this would probably be decades down the line.

In fact, as for the remains of dead dragons, I wouldn't be surprised if a museum somewhere clamoring to get their hands on the remains of dragons or other creatures (whole or even parts) killed by the JSDF, or even manmade artifacts from the Empire- would be quite a tourist draw- "come see the first ever creatures/artifacts from another world!".

As for the episode itself, went down a bit differently from the manga. I may have misremembered, but I don't remember Yao being that manipulative, and I definitely don't remember Rory being quite that provocative- remember her biting him, though.

[~Yami~]

oh this episode is very good
They put a lot of timeskip in a very enjoyable way
I don't feel bored and enjoy every single emotion that build up in this episode

Tyuule's scheme really reminded me of "Euphemia-incident" from Code Geass again
I feel bad for Pina and hopefully she could be helped by Sugawara this time to avoid the bad ending
It might still happened though as long as Zorzal still in the kingdom

I have mixed feeling toward Yao... At first, she looks really selfish but when she failed on despair, I made same face with Itami
It is also quite funny to see the former King roam around in Arnus and somehow get prosthetic leg and arm I like him though.. no single grudge confirmed

When Itami jumped out from helicopter, he just re-claim his position as one of pretty badass main character *although I'm curious about his shady past*
And congratulations for Rory for getting husbando after life

the most memorable quote is probably "How does it feel to have a daughter that older than you?"

[The 48th Ronin]

Finally. Itami and the gang is now hunting the big red machine.

That old man is suspicious... not.

[Router25]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

I wonder if living being like Dragons would ever be put in a zoo someday?

Jurassic Park, 'nuff said.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

Does Itami know its the exact dragon they fought and its partially their fault in driving the dragon away towards Yao's village or does he think its a totally different one

Not too many fire dragons out there. Even fewer with one arm missing.

[aohige]

Originally Posted by bakato

She's an apostle, but even demons have better etiquette than that.

Well, demons have to negotiate with the mortal.
A literal GOD ain't gotta do jack with the mortal to make demands, ya know?

[MrTerrorist]

You know, I kinda like how when Yanagida told Itami he should send his team to go to Elbe to slay the Fire Dragon and "acquire" the resources there, Itami goes "Screw you! I'm not risking the lives of my men for your greedy ass."

[Top Sergeant]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

You know, I kinda like how when Yanagida told Itami he should send his team to go to Elbe to slay the Fire Dragon and "acquire" the resources there, Itami goes "Screw you! I'm not risking the lives of my mine for your greedy ass."

That is one reason why I find his character to be a very good officer.

[aohige]

Yeah, despite the facade of his laziness and goofiness, Itami has consistently been presented as a good leader and a mature protagonist.

[Brother Coa]

Originally Posted by aohige

mature protagonist.

Well unlike 99% of anime MC today he is actually full grown-up - 33.
And he is in a military to that. Of course he is going to be mature.
Lazy but mature no doubt

[Wandering_Youth]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

I wonder if living being like Dragons would ever be put in a zoo someday?

You need to watch a movie called Jurassic Park and then his little brother Jurassic World. Nature usually does not like to be caged up.

[Haak]

You know, before this second cour started I was wondering if I should drop the show because I might not have the time to watch it and wanted to stick to only the really enjoyable shows. Now I'm glad I stuck with this show because it really is enjoyable and this episode has been one of if not the best episode of this show yet. The relentless focus on Tuka's depressing psychological issues and the way it built up to Itami jumping out that plane was just great. I really felt for both characters.

I also have to give the writer brownie points for completely averting an issue I was so sure this show would tread on. The General in the previous cour had already put the damper on Yao's hopes on receiving help (and rightly so because there really wasn't any good reason for the JSDF to get involved) but it still seemed that the story was heading in the direction having the JSDF be the heroes and get involved because they're super wonderful awesome heroes. Thankfully it was the complete opposite - the JSDF did get more interested in killing the dragon but only for extremely cynical reasons which Itami was right to refuse. This was also the moment I decided Yanagida was utterly detestable. So what would've happened if Itami did decide to take his men with him and some of them died fighting the dragon? He would've been okay with that just so the JDSF could unofficially obtain resources? Do those soldiers lives hold such little value to him? What a horrible excuse for a human being.

Eventually a solution for Itami was found to go and kill the dragon as a personal mission unrelated to the JSDF. It's an interesting idea that avoids the cons of both options but I'm rather surprised Itami was able to get approval for that and be allowed to just leave without a proper force (I suppose it's possible Itami explained a cunning convincing plan to Yanagida off screen but that's just guesswork). Even more surprisng was Yao accepting only Itami's help but I guess beggars can't be choosers and maybe she thinks if Itami does fail it will escalate and involve the JDSF eventually.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Haak

You know, before this second cour started I was wondering if I should drop the show because I might not have the time to watch it and wanted to stick to only the really enjoyable shows. Now I'm glad I stuck with this show because it really is enjoyable and this episode has been one of if not the best episode of this show yet. The relentless focus on Tuka's depressing psychological issues and the way it built up to Itami jumping out that plane was just great. I really felt for both characters.

I also have to give the writer brownie points for completely averting an issue I was so sure this show would tread on. The General in the previous cour had already put the damper on Yao's hopes on receiving help (and rightly so because there really wasn't any good reason for the JSDF to get involved) but it still seemed that the story was heading in the direction having the JSDF be the heroes and get involved because they're super wonderful awesome heroes. Thankfully it was the complete opposite - the JSDF did get more interested in killing the dragon but only for extremely cynical reasons which Itami was right to refuse. This was also the moment I decided Yanagida was utterly detestable. So what would've happened if Itami did decide to take his men with him and some of them died fighting the dragon? He would've been okay with that just so the JDSF could unofficially obtain resources? Do those soldiers lives hold such little value to him? What a horrible excuse for a human being.

Eventually a solution for Itami was found to go and kill the dragon as a personal mission unrelated to the JSDF. It's an interesting idea that avoids the cons of both options but I'm rather surprised Itami was able to get approval for that and be allowed to just leave without a proper force (I suppose it's possible Itami explained a cunning convincing plan to Yanagida off screen but that's just guesswork).

I don't think you're being entirely fair to Yanagida. He correctly read that Itami would eventually go off to kill the dragon. His offer was to give him a pretext to take his squad with him. Because it's in both of their interests for Itami to succeed, and going alone sounds pretty suicidal.

I'm not saying he's being altruistic (though I'll note, Yanagida's so far shown to be a loyal soldier, not some kind of crook), but in the end it's about dotting i's and crossing t's so no one's declared AWOL or a war criminal or god knows what.

Even more surprisng was Yao accepting only Itami's help but I guess beggars can't be choosers and maybe she thinks if Itami does fail it will escalate and involve the JDSF eventually.

Yao doesn't really understand. All she knows are rumors that "men in green" can defeat a dragon (she doesn't know how many are necessary for that), and that "Itami can do it".