2011-03-08, 05:30 | Link #1121 | |
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Likewise, Homura is going through all this trouble not because she feels that owes something to Madoka, but because she really cares about her. However, because of how cold Homura is, it would seem as if there's no way she could care for someone unless it was an obligation. I am expecting ep10 to reveal the emotional side of Homura and how she is truly driven with her own will to save Madoka, not because of some moral obligation to another person. |
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2011-03-08, 14:34 | Link #1122 | |
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So no, I don't think Homura wants to save Madoka just out of friendship and gratitude. She somehow has a responsibility with her. That's my take. Let's wait and see what happens.
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2011-03-08, 17:27 | Link #1123 | |
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Homura by that same token is not required to save Madoka. She is not Madoka's bodyguard, servant, or soldier. Homura is not required to save the world. If she was, she could have killed Madoka to prevent her from making a contract. Friendship and gratitude do not always go together. Madoka wanting to save Sayaka because she cares about her well-being is different from Madoka wanting to save Sayaka because Sayaka saved her first. |
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2011-03-08, 17:53 | Link #1124 | |
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I think we're just looking at this from a different perspective. Anyway, Homura say give up on Sayaka because you don't owe her anything and it's not your responsibility to save her. This implies that if it was Madoka's responsibility, it would be ok (in Homura's eyes) to help Sayaka. That's why I think is highly possible Homura is trying to save Madoka no only out of love, but also because it is somehow her responsibility, which it would make sense if she was a member of Madoka's family (her mother?) or Madoka's familiar (the cat?). If that was the case, she would try to save Madoka both because she loves her but also because it's her responsibility, her mission to save her.
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2011-03-09, 11:58 | Link #1125 | |
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2011-03-09, 12:17 | Link #1126 |
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I don't agree. When Homura said saving Sayaka isn't her responsiblity, it means that it's not her responsibility. Gratitude does not create a responsibility.
I think Homura is attempting to protect Madoka because she wants to, not because she has to. |
2011-03-09, 16:09 | Link #1130 | |
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i.e.: Yes, Homura. She is thinking about the people who care about her. She's thinking about Sayaka. Just because she's not thinking about you specifically doesn't mean she's heartless or overly self-sacrificial. Homura's rationale right now boils down to "No, don't worry about what the people around you think! Worry about what _I_ think! I need more attention than them! Me! MEMEMEMEME!" It doesn't make her look deep or mysterious; it just makes her look like a little attentionwhoring bitch. She's not exactly going into the big episode 10 reveal in the most sympathetic light. btw I'm not sure if you guys know I hate Homura, but I do. Just so you know. |
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2011-03-09, 16:41 | Link #1131 | |
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So when Homura says "think about the people who care about you" she doesn't take Sayaka into consideration, because she thinks Sayaka is no more. So there's nothing hypocritical about this; it's consistent with her take on Sayaka's situation. You may not like her attitude, but that's a totally different issue.
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2011-03-09, 17:30 | Link #1133 | |
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That kind of action can easily be seen as being entirely ego-driven and hypocritical. There may very well be a valid reason for Homura to act the way she does, and I'll be glad to re-interpret her character when this becomes clear, but as it stands Homura's entire justification is "I won't let you become a Magical Girl because I want you to care about ME." |
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2011-03-09, 17:33 | Link #1134 | |
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But then lost to the Madoka "super witch", so she went back in time to try and stop it? The Terminator plot, but with added ET. |
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2011-03-09, 17:35 | Link #1135 | |
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Besides you don't even know that Homura included herself as part of her "people who care about you" line. Chances are she didn't, since she has said before that she already gave up on herself too. You're just jumping to conclusions without the whole picture.
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2011-03-09, 18:06 | Link #1138 | |
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As for telling Sayaka, I guess it depends when you mean? Sayaka is rather untrusting of Homura the whole time. From noticing Homura staring at Madoka in class initially when first introduced to being relayed what sounds like a threat that Homura made to Madoka (think how the whole 'if you care about your family and friends feel, you will stay the same' can sound like a threat vs a warning.) And chasing QB around in episode 1, and later 'letting Mami die just to get a grief seed'. So there was really few if any opportunities based on how their early interactions went that Sayaka would believe anything Homura says. |
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2011-03-09, 18:44 | Link #1139 |
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Well if Homura said the truth, Kyuubey wouldn't deny it. And then there would be no way for the girls to become Magi. Also I wonder what was the relationship between Homura and Madoka in the other timeline, maybe they were best friends and Homura watched her sacrifice herself to destroy some poweful witch?
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2011-03-09, 19:27 | Link #1140 |
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So, here's a flaw/glitch/unknown in Kyuubei's plan:
He said back in episode 4 that he expected another Magi to show up to replace Mami. Kyoko then shows up later that episode. However, he said he was surprised that she showed up. Does this mean that he was expecting someone else in particular, or just that he didn't think Kyoko would be the one to show up? Either way, the main point is that she showed up because Mami vacated the area. Now, her replacements in Sayaka and Kyoko are both gone. Despite this, Kyuubei insists that Homura will be alone on Walpurgis Night. The only way this would make any level of sense is if he personally sent out a sort of vacate notice after Mami died, and won't do it this time. |
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