Spice and Wolf - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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note: Poll is closed until the episode airs in Japan, for obvious reasons.

• Episode 12 will be broadcasted this 19th march at 1:30 AM (Japan Time Zone),
  which means this 18th march at 4:30PM (GMT 00).

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Expectations:

After the group safely gets to their destination... The church awaits to ambush them!! Or someone like that... It won't all go perfectly well, that's almost certain.

[Souten no Seigyoku]

I expect something similar. I expect the church to set some sort of trap/test for Nora. Like setting wolves or attack dogs on her. Then watching from a distance for signs of 'magic'. Of course, Horo will take care of it, thereby confirming the churches fears of Nora. Then when they arrive in town....

[Rodo K.]

i agree, i'm expecting the church to set traps for Nora and Horo saves her, which also causes her to reveal her secret. Not in front of the church, though.

[deffusse]

what an episode, magnificence in all ways..... lots of drama in the end is going to come btw I didn't expect such a plot developement.... they surprise me quite a lot

[Masanori Ota]

Yeah, raw's out.

[FlareKnight]

Interesting times. Was actually considering just waiting for the subs this time so I could completely understand things. And yet right now the raw is being downloaded...my convictions are so strong .

[Masanori Ota]

Ooh boy.

Spoiler:

That big wolf in the OP...it wasn't Horo.

[Deathkillz]

Spoiler:

What is this! We may have a epix ookami vs ookami fight next episode (or at least I hope we do).

The forest is a dangerous place indeed, and soon enough Lawrence and the others find themselves being chased by packs of wolves. Horo and lawrence stay behind to act as a distraction whilst nora and another guy escapes. But Horo actually sent Lawrence on his was as well as she will soon be doing battle with the lord of this forest.

Lawrence on the other hand find out that he has been betrayed yet again and is now lying on the floor with a cut across his face O.o

People those days have no honor >.>

[Masanori Ota]

This episode was awesome. Perfect 10 from me.

[FlareKnight]

Spoiler for Ep12:

Holy crap the situation gets pretty heavy again. Who would have guessed that a wolf like that was in the forest? No wonder its so dangerous to try and get through there. Horo is going to have her hands full on this one.

Was an interesting trip through the woods. A close call just getting there, but Nora really showed what she could do. The first time we saw her it was a safe trip, but this time she did a great job. If it was a normal situation with wolves she could definitely handle herself well.

Nice seeing her and Horo have a conversation. Mostly Horo has been quiet around her, but this time it was pretty interesting. No idea what was going on, but still entertaining anyways.

Lawrence seems to get betrayed a lot. Really needs to take care of that. Horo will need to go and help him out since I'm guessing bleeding like that will attract trouble to him. But right now she's gotta cut loose on the wolf before her. Doesn't seem to be one of her companions or it'd be a more cheerful reunion.

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Spoiler for ep12:

So the journey ended safely, thanks to Nora... or maybe not. Since apparently those wolves around there don't tend to do more than watch...
That dog is sharp... The true antagonist!

Lawrence, a flower in each hand, yet so far apart they are.
Just what did Nora say...?

-Horo's still showing jealousy...

-During the second night where Horo sleeps on Lawrence's lap, he makes a gentle face. But if you look at it from the wrong angle like I did... It looks like he wanted to do something bad to her...

The end was just awesome! Horo faces off against a younger wolf (Gah, it's freaking huge!) and Nora/Lawrence gets betrayed... Curses. And those people cut his face!
Though, admittingly, they aren't evil people in that they feel guilt about what they are doing, but are only doing this because their company is in danger and they want to remove all threats to it. But who cares about them when they left Lawrence to the wolves and don't exactly plan to do anything good to Nora either... (Likely for her, this isn't a hentai anime.)

Preview: Wolf and a new journey;
1. The whole thing will conclude somehow.
2. The title is a clear spoiler that they will make it out alive...
3. The end of the anime~!!

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Spoiler for Ep12:

Nice seeing her and Horo have a conversation. Mostly Horo has been quiet around her, but this time it was pretty interesting. No idea what was going on, but still entertaining anyways.

Spoiler:

Just about:
1. The dog. Nora points out that the dog has been interested in Horo.
Horo says he likes her.

2. What Nora thinks of Lawrence; about how men are wolves that attack their lambs... and for her (Horo) and Lawrence, it's the opposite

[DanielSong39]

Something tells me the church or some outside forces will get involved... the Lemerio guy has little incentive to backstab Lawrence otherwise. All Lawrence really wants is to have his debts canceled, so there is little for the Lemerio guy to gain by getting greedy.

I have a feeling that the Lemerio guy is trying to play both sides and find the best way out of the situation. He will pay Nora the 20 Lumione and cancel Lawrence's debt, and use the rest to save his company. It would be foolish to scuttle the entire operation over 70 Lumione, which is what will almost inevitably happen if he pushes things too far.

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Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Something tells me the church or some outside forces will get involved... the Lemerio guy has little incentive to backstab Lawrence otherwise. All Lawrence really wants is to have his debts canceled, so there is little for the Lemerio guy to gain by getting greedy.

I have a feeling that the Lemerio guy is trying to play both sides and find the best way out of the situation. He will play Nora the 20 Lumione and cancel Lawrence's debt, and use the rest to save his company. It would be foolish to scuttle the entire operation over 70 Lumione, which is what will almost inevitably happen if he pushes things too far.

Spoiler:

They aren't after their money.
Like they say, they are eliminating the threats (Horo, Nora, Lawrence) so that any of the three will not tell anyone they smuggled gold.

[DanielSong39]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler:

They aren't after their money.
Like they say, they are eliminating the threats (Horo, Nora, Lawrence) so that any of the three will not tell anyone they smuggled gold.

Spoiler for Lemerio:

It may look that way, but the pieces still don't fit. Horo, Nora, and Lawrence have no incentive to tell people that Lemerio company smuggled the gold. And even if they did, they can be bought at a very cheap price.

Let's not forget that he didn't kill Lawrence, Nora, or Horo - and while they might still be in danger, there's still a decent chance that they can escape and spoil his plans. And being (seemingly) betrayed would surely give them the incentive to turn the tables on him.

When it comes down to it, the risk/reward ratio looks horrible and I'm having a hard time understanding his actions. That's why I'm leaning towards "clever plan" rather than "outright betrayal". It remains to be seen what happens in Episode 13, but I envision Nora starting a new life with 20 Lumione, a debt-free Lawrence, and Horo getting her first taste of honeyed peaches - let's see what role the Lemerio guy plays in all of this.

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Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Spoiler for Lemerio:

It may look that way, but the pieces still don't fit. Horo, Nora, and Lawrence have no incentive to tell people that Lemerio company smuggled the gold. And even if they did, they can be bought at a very cheap price.

Let's not forget that he didn't kill Lawrence, Nora, or Horo - and while they might still be in danger, there's still a decent chance that they can escape and spoil his plans. And being (seemingly) betrayed would surely give them the incentive to turn the tables on him.

When it comes down to it, the risk/reward ratio looks horrible and I'm having a hard time understanding his actions. That's why I'm leaning towards "clever plan" rather than "outright betrayal". It remains to be seen what happens in Episode 13, but I envision Nora starting a new life with 20 Lumione, a debt-free Lawrence, and Horo getting her first taste of honeyed peaches - let's see what role the Lemerio guy plays in all of this.

Spoiler:

I see what you're saying.

But it would make sense if you think of the company as desperate, which they are.

They didn't want to risk any chance that the three would tell. The people from the company says that people fall under greed in the face of great amounts of money. The company doesn't exactly know the three that well, so they are worried, even by a small chance, that one of the three gets greedy and tells someone.

They also don't want to kill people, especially women. They leave Lawrence to get eaten, they believe Horo is dead already, and they plan to kidnap Nora. Thus, they can prevent any one of the three from telling. Or so they think.
Overall, they're too assumptive that wolves will eat Lawrence, and they have no idea that Horo is a wolf. Nora... might be in trouble here.
In other words, they think everything will go their way...

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler:

I see what you're saying.

But it would make sense if you think of the company as desperate, which they are.

They didn't want to risk any chance that the three would tell. The people from the company says that people fall under greed in the face of great amounts of money. The company doesn't exactly know the three that well, so they are worried, even by a small chance, that one of the three gets greedy and tells someone.

They also don't want to kill people, especially women. They leave Lawrence to get eaten, they believe Horo is dead already, and they plan to kidnap Nora. Thus, they can prevent any one of the three from telling. Or so they think.
Overall, they're too assumptive that wolves will eat Lawrence, and they have no idea that Horo is a wolf. Nora... might be in trouble here.
In other words, they think everything will go their way...

Spoiler:

Can see what you mean here. Don't lose anything by getting rid of the three and making sure they don't say anything. Though it's not like the three have any reason to say anything. They are part of smuggling gold and if told they won't be in a good place. Seems like an unnecessary step for them. Maybe its just greed. If they get rid of them then they don't have to pay any money.

Plus I guess if your getting involved with something that could get you taken out by the church you'll do some things like this.

Just another thing. Horo just looked damn cool when calling off that wolf that was getting a bit too close. Even that one isn't stupid enough to mess with a wolf of Horo's caliber.

[DanielSong39]

Oh, what irony it would be if Lawrence and co. turned the Lemerio company in to the church and were rewarded for their efforts.

Probably farfetched but it would be a delicious turn of events.

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It's out already? Are you guys watch the RAW or the fansub?

[Vexx]

Only the raws are out... just reminding people to keep comments under spoiler for now, eh? (doing pretty good though)