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Kaoru Chujo · 2009-01-25, 14:00

Having now seen a Chinese sub, I realize I got something wrong.

Spoiler for ep4:

I think the flashbacks are suggesting that Touya and Yuki really did play together as kids, but he has forgotten altogether and only remembers Haruka.

In some ways, Touya seems like a jerk, but I think I can see why he is attractive to women: he really likes women, and thinks of them as goddesses. Even twintails. So they do become goddesses to him: Yuki, Rina, Haruka, Misaki, twintails-- all have done good things for him. [see apr's following post for various corrections: Yuki is his "everyday," rather than a goddess. I thought she was his everyday goddess, but apparently not.]

If anyone wants to hear Hirano sing something completely different quite well, try this jazzy scat song (audio via YouTube). But I'm not going to claim she's the most professional singer around. She's getting better and better, but she's no Nana. That's part of why she does songs that don't require a perfect voice. The other part is that she prefers rougher-edged, more punky music. I can remember her specifically praising only two singers in her blog: Avril Lavigne and Shiina Ringo.

serenade_beta · 2009-01-25, 14:13

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Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Really? I didn't find it confusing

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-In fact, probably the easiest episode to understand...

-What are you asking for for what year...? The story doesn't take place in the 2000s or anything...

-So it wasn't my imagination...

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Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

he really likes women, and thinks of them as goddesses.

Uwaa... Playboy. (Kyaa~, ecchi~)

apr · 2009-01-25, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

In some ways, Touya seems like a jerk, but I think I can see why he is attractive to women: he really likes women, and thinks of them as goddesses. Even Mana. So they do become goddesses to him: Yuuki, Rina, Haruka, Misaki, Mana -- all have done good things for him.

Um.

Spoiler:

Anyway, it's Yuki, with one 'u'.

Edit: I just realized that mentioning Mana's features is a spoiler.

anyme · 2009-01-25, 20:24

At first, I watched this anime and felt the True tears atmosphere ( first 3 EPs).
After I finished 4th EP, it's like Harem atmosphere.

Mentar · 2009-01-26, 07:51

Aaah... say what you want, I really loved the wistful-melancholy atmosphere throughout the episode. Some people complain about the BGM for some reason, but I thought that the anime set the mood very nicely.

Spoiler:

Some general observations to the various characters:

Yuki: I'm torn over her. There's alot to like: Her sensitivity, the fact that regardless of her vulnerability she's obviously capable to overcome difficulties by herself (see episode 1). Her kindness and the fact that her impending stardom didn't get towards her head. She DOES care about Touya, and she DOES make an effort to keep in touch. On the downside, right now she is very much self-centered. Even her initiative to spend the night with Touya was born out of HER needs and wishes, and not as something she'd do for him. Touya is an important part of HER world, and that's what she's tending to, not TOUYA's needs. My opinion on her will be determined by what she's doing once she realizes the selfishness of her current perspective, and by her efforts for the sake of OTHERS she then will or will not make.

Rina: I had to laugh about her "Yuki won't have anything about me borrowing Touya for an hour, right?" comment. It was soooo her. My impression is that for the time being, Touya is an interesting belonging of her GF Yuki that she wants to play with. Right now, I don't smell any romantic intentions. Rina found out in Echoes that the Yuki/Touya relationship was lacking something, so she meddled in things in order to give the two more quality time. In other words, her primary goal is to help Yuki in her relationship. At the same time, she was tickled by the goddess bit, and by Touya's obvious adoration of her. "What's yours is also mine" seems to be her motto. Things will get much more tense once Yuki has any reason to question Rina's involvements, and that will be once either Rina or Touya begin to show romantic interest in each other. We're not there yet though...

Haruka: Not much to be said, other than that I kinda pity her. Brutally put, even though it will probably be nurtured by a genuine self-interest, she's the only girl who is currently actively caring about Touya himself. It's a thankless role, and I smell that there's some willing exploitation going on here.

Misaki: Shown in only a minute part of ep4. Obviously she's been playing the senpai role for quite a while. Let's wait and see.

Yayoi: Dedicated and very capable girl, oozing "professional" out of every pore. Methinks there's a real chance that she might check on non-responsive Yuki, ruining their night in early episode 5. By disposition, the natural enemy of Touya. It will be interesting to see how far she'll be willing to go in order to wreck the two.

Bratty girl: Yes, I know who she is, but let's stick to what we know from the anime directly. Methinks that her honest bluntness will be used to nail some hard truths in Touya's head when the time comes. But I enjoyed her much more than expected, and her "I hope you find her" at the end was a nice touch.

Her Aesop fable reference was a scary thing. Read up on it... the gist of the story should be pretty unsettling for Touya. And it's oh so fitting...

Eiji: Got me laughing with his "Am I liberated now?" line. He knew exactly what Rina was trying to achieve, and still played along with it. Will be interesting to see what line he's going to steer between Yayoi and Rina.

Touya: Looking for love and acceptance, but having serious difficulties there. Getting kicked out by his father obviously left a scar (I wonder if we'll see more about that in the future), and unfortunately, Yuki seems very much oblivious to his own needs so far. Rina realized them, but her meddling has been a two-edged sword so far. This guy has a major communication problem. The different memories of their pasts underline that Yuki and Touya are not really in synch. However, I'm already willing to predict that she will be his end match.

About the goddess of the day / everyday issue: Yes, Yuki isn't a "goddess" to him, but she's a constant. I don't think that this is demeaning towards her from his end. rather that she's the default. Which might be much more than the more fleeting favors of his daily goddesses.

In summary, I love the taste of the show. Reminds me of a nice Riesling white wine - the taste is pleasant, but never entirely fulfilling, you drink a bit more enjoying it without being fully satisfied. Let's see where it goes.

PS: I don't remember when the last time I felt seriously emotionally invested in a show without a clear person I was rooting for. The anime DOES keep us at arms' length. Quite interesting.

Shiroth · 2009-01-26, 10:07

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Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

In some ways, Touya seems like a jerk

Mind if i ask why? I've seen the first four episodes like you have, and nothing he's done has made me think that.

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Originally Posted by Mentar

Some people complain about the BGM for some reason, but I thought that the anime set the mood very nicely.

Indeed, it's been a very impressive score so far. Especially like the piece used in the last scene. Very powerful --- worked perfectly with the scene.

cyth · 2009-01-26, 11:49

Is this show supposed to be one cour long? If so, the creators aren't very smart. Assuming we're two DVDs in and 100 EUR poorer, it's depressing that the story still hasn't made it clear in what direction it's heading. I already feel like I'm chewing on a damp towel. Knowing this to be two cour long would make me spit it out.

sirn · 2009-01-26, 12:59

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Originally Posted by Toua

Is this show supposed to be one cour long? If so, the creators aren't very smart. Assuming we're two DVDs in and 100 EUR poorer, it's depressing that the story still hasn't made it clear in what direction it's heading. I already feel like I'm chewing on a damp towel. Knowing this to be two cour long would make me spit it out.

Yes it is. Four DVD/Blu-ray release is scheduled (3 episodes each) with a 7,350 Yen price tag, I don't think they're not very smart.

Kaoru Chujo · 2009-01-26, 13:55

This show is a complex fabric of many threads. The question is whether they will be able to pull it all together into a coherent whole as they resolve the threads. But unlike Toua, I am enjoying every minute of the fuzzy complexity and lack of definition. Of course, I loved Touka Gettan, too.

Various threads:
Yuki and Touya: Is Touya drifting away from Yuki, as he sees her more and more occupied by her career? Does he feel inferior or left behind? Does he think of her as inferior and have trouble accepting her seeming to rise above him? Does she offer herself to him out of a fear that he is drifting, or just a fear that her career is going to make it even more impossible to meet? Is their love a hollow shell of teenage habit, rather than a deep relationship?
Rina and Yuki: Is Rina really a friend, or is she just trying to manoeuver Yuki into the best situation for being a success for the company? Is she somehow after Touya, if only to prove to herself her attractiveness? Or is she manipulating him in some way for the good of the company?
Rina and Eiji: Is there a competitive dynamic going on there?
Touya and Haruka, Touya and Misaki, Touya and Mana.
Yuki's career: Would she be willing to abandon Touya for the sake of the career?

All those loose threads of subplot keep me wondering and speculating and sympathizing with the feelings of all concerned.

As for Touya seeming a bit like a jerk, Shiroth, the things I'm thinking of are things like (1) the way he puts down but does not end things with Haruka, (2) the way he kept trying to pass on the poetry books Misaki wanted to loan him, (3) the way he was so vague about when and where to meet, and did not try to solve the problem himself but enlisted another goddess, (4) the way he is not inwardly committed to Yuki, but wondering about Rina, even though he continues to be Yuki's boyfriend. Things like that. I'm not saying he's a bad person. Most of those things seem fairly normal. But they are jerk-like, to me. As we all are, sometimes. He is a pretty good everyman, for me. I don't hate him. He just reminds me of the Baudelaire quote I've been remembering a lot recently: "Hypocrite reader, you who are like me, my brother." (French: Hypocrite lecteur, mon semblable, mon frere.)

***relentlessflame*** · 2009-01-26, 14:28

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Originally Posted by sirn

Yes it is. Four DVD/Blu-ray release is scheduled (3 episodes each) with a 7,350 Yen price tag, I don't think they're not very smart.

I'm not exactly sure whether you intended your double-negative or not.

In any event, as I said before, I think releasing the show on 4 discs instead of the more usual 6 or 7 was actually a good move, and the price is pretty par for the course for Japanese anime Blu-Ray (DVDs are 1000 Yen cheaper). But, of course, this is the sort of show where you'd probably expect that people are either already familiar with the franchise, or already saw it on TV before investing in the media. Plus, there's always renting before buying. (And P.S., the last disc will contain 4 episodes, so assuming the tension ratchets up near the end, at least you won't have to wait for the next volume to see how it all ends.)

germanturkey · 2009-01-26, 15:25

ooh, i knew there were ill intentions with Rina calling. Rina suggested telling Touya to go early to make up for his occasional lateness, giving no indication to Yuki that she wanted to steal him away first. A small blip, but snowballed into the two of them missing each other for the whole day.

I also think that Touya has some jerk qualities. He seems to forget important milestones in his and Yuki's past together, and he doesn't find it at all suspicious that Rina is trying to do all those things for them. I know that possibility crosses his mind this ep, but anyone with any light in their brain would be suspicious first, accepting second. Plus he inadvertently "slapped" Yuki when he didn't remember that the two of them had met at the location of her current residence.

I commend Yuki for trying to salvage their relationship, because it seems as though Touya is once again taking it for granted. Its definitely implied that they had sex, but i was a little disappointed they didn't at least visualize it in some way or form like they did in Kare Kano.

I hope they can just weed out the side stories soon and focus on the two that really matter.

Shiroth · 2009-01-26, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

As for Toua seeming a bit like a jerk, Shiroth, the things I'm thinking of are things like (1) the way he puts down but does not end things with Haruka, (2) the way he kept trying to pass on the poetry books Misaki wanted to loan him, (3) the way he was so vague about when and where to meet, and did not try to solve the problem himself but enlisted another goddess, (4) the way he is not inwardly committed to Yuki, but wondering about Rina, even though he continues to be Yuki's boyfriend. Things like that. I'm not saying he's a bad person. Most of those things seem fairly normal. But they are jerk-like, to me. As we all are, sometimes. He is a pretty good everyman, for me. I don't hate him. He just reminds me of the Baudelaire quote I've been remembering a lot recently: "Hypocrite reader, you who are like me, my brother." (French: Hypocrite lecteur, mon semblable, mon frere.)

Well you've just said you don't see him as a bad person, so i'm fine with that. Still even with your points mentioned, i don't see him as a jerk, though that's just where we are all different.

Mentar · 2009-01-26, 16:11

Hmm, I think I have to disagree on many counts.

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Originally Posted by germanturkey

ooh, i knew there were ill intentions with Rina calling. Rina suggested telling Touya to go early to make up for his occasional lateness, giving no indication to Yuki that she wanted to steal him away first. A small blip, but snowballed into the two of them missing each other for the whole day.

I don't really see this intention of "stealing away" yet. If that's what she really wanted, why would she bother to mention to herself that "She wouldn't mind me borrowing him for a bit, right?" - if she really wanted to put the moves on him, why would she bother about what Yuki might be okay with it? Methinks she's curious and wants to play around with Yuki's belonging a bit, but not "steal" him away.

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I also think that Touya has some jerk qualities. He seems to forget important milestones in his and Yuki's past together, and he doesn't find it at all suspicious that Rina is trying to do all those things for them.

Hm. I'd be careful about the "forgetting milestones" part - we only know that Yuki and him are not in synch about where they first met, THAT alone isn't a capital crime in my book. And - as I said before - I do think that Rina is currently making her efforts for the sake of _Yuki_. This may change, but so far I see no romantic interest from Rina's side - yet.

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I know that possibility crosses his mind this ep, but anyone with any light in their brain would be suspicious first, accepting second. Plus he inadvertently "slapped" Yuki when he didn't remember that the two of them had met at the location of her current residence.

Same as before. It seems that Yuki's memories go back to meeting a guy in shadows here (so we don't know for sure whether or not it's Touya), but he can't remember. Is this really such a major crime? ^_^;

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I commend Yuki for trying to salvage their relationship, because it seems as though Touya is once again taking it for granted.

Objection, your honor. Yuki doesn't even REALIZE that their relationship is in danger. The reason she gave for her suggestion was that SHE wanted to "feel", not "dream". This is about her, not him. Not about "them" either.

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Its definitely implied that they had sex, but i was a little disappointed they didn't at least visualize it in some way or form like they did in Kare Kano.

I don't think so. A brooding Touya is still fully dressed, and sitting on the cleanly made (and thus unused) bed. The way I see it, Yuki is showering in preparation for it. So, the deed's not done yet.

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I hope they can just weed out the side stories soon and focus on the two that really matter.

Hmmm... I'd say that it's the side stories which are going to drive the eventual development in the main pairings. They're putting pieces on the chessboard to move later.

germanturkey · 2009-01-26, 16:26

mentar, i officially quit this show :P

i knew i should not have tried to analyze anime after 5 hours of straight classes...

Mentar · 2009-01-26, 16:41

Oi, I sure hope you're only kidding ^_^;

I mean, I may be perfectly wrong, I know nothing more than you do. Just tried to point out where I came to different conclusions.

apr · 2009-01-26, 16:48

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Originally Posted by Mentar

Objection, your honor. Yuki doesn't even REALIZE that their relationship is in danger. The reason she gave for her suggestion was that SHE wanted to "feel", not "dream". This is about her, not him. Not about "them" either.

Yuki mentions wanting it to be "unforgettable", which leads me to believe that she's bothered by their real first meeting being so insignificant to him that he doesn't even remember it, making her willing to move their relationship to the next level ahead of time, just to make a proper mark in his life. Before it's too late.

Alternatively, Yuki never actually joined Haruka and Touya when they were playing as kids. She just hung around in the same area, not daring to close in. Maybe she dreamt of being part of that group?

prototype_sky · 2009-01-26, 17:25

There is a very high chance of either Rina or Yuki's manager showing up and breaking up their little party or Touya chickening out.

Mentar · 2009-01-26, 17:38

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Originally Posted by apr

Yuki mentions wanting it to be "unforgettable", which leads me to believe that she's bothered by their real first meeting being so insignificant to him that he doesn't even remember it, making her willing to move their relationship to the next level ahead of time, just to make a proper mark in his life. Before it's too late.

Hmm, possibly so. Or - what I suspect - it might be their first time ever. Which would explain Touma's thoughts about Yuki "rushing" it. If they had been sleeping with each other before, why would he use the word "rush" now?

Shiroth · 2009-01-26, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Mentar

Hmm, possibly so. Or - what I suspect - it might be their first time ever. Which would explain Touma's thoughts about Yuki "rushing" it. If they had been sleeping with each other before, why would he use the word "rush" now?

Yuki's line is enough to make me believe that they haven't slept with each other yet, though i do think there may be a reason why she's suddenly brought it on. If not, then it's her feelings that are taking control, and that i see nothing wrong with.

apr · 2009-01-26, 17:41

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Originally Posted by Mentar

Hmm, possibly so. Or - what I suspect - it might be their first time ever. Which would explain Touma's thoughts about Yuki "rushing" it. If they had been sleeping with each other before, why would he use the word "rush" now?

Sorry, you're misreading my post. First meeting, not first sexual experience. At this point they don't seem to have made love yet, so once she steps out of that shower it's party time. Until they're interrupted, obviously.

Meeting as in the flashback to when they were kids.

2009-01-25, 14:00	Link #361
Kaoru Chujo Yuuki Aoi Join Date: Jul 2004	Having now seen a Chinese sub, I realize I got something wrong. Spoiler for ep4: I thought the indication was that Yuki and Touya had hooked up before, but now it seems more likely that this may be the first time, and Yuki is trying to make a deep memory of Touya so that neither will forget the other as she is carried forward into idol life. Under those circumstances, I'm not so enthusiastic about them sleeping together. It's like she is taking a desperate measure to try to hold him, perhaps. Certainly, her being not upset at him but just happy he made it was fairly amazing. She didn't even ask why he was late. Yuki is becoming the most interesting character. Hirano's use of such a fragile voice is working to reveal the character's fragility, and at the same time creating an interesting contrast to her fairly bold actions with Touya. I think the flashbacks are suggesting that Touya and Yuki really did play together as kids, but he has forgotten altogether and only remembers Haruka. In some ways, Touya seems like a jerk, but I think I can see why he is attractive to women: he really likes women, and thinks of them as goddesses. Even twintails. So they do become goddesses to him: Yuki, Rina, Haruka, Misaki, twintails-- all have done good things for him. [see apr's following post for various corrections: Yuki is his "everyday," rather than a goddess. I thought she was his everyday goddess, but apparently not.] If anyone wants to hear Hirano sing something completely different quite well, try this jazzy scat song (audio via YouTube). But I'm not going to claim she's the most professional singer around. She's getting better and better, but she's no Nana. That's part of why she does songs that don't require a perfect voice. The other part is that she prefers rougher-edged, more punky music. I can remember her specifically praising only two singers in her blog: Avril Lavigne and Shiina Ringo. __________________ YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games. Last edited by Kaoru Chujo; 2009-01-25 at 19:06.

2009-01-26, 07:51	Link #365
Mentar Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamburg Age: 54	Aaah... say what you want, I really loved the wistful-melancholy atmosphere throughout the episode. Some people complain about the BGM for some reason, but I thought that the anime set the mood very nicely. Spoiler: Some general observations to the various characters: Yuki: I'm torn over her. There's alot to like: Her sensitivity, the fact that regardless of her vulnerability she's obviously capable to overcome difficulties by herself (see episode 1). Her kindness and the fact that her impending stardom didn't get towards her head. She DOES care about Touya, and she DOES make an effort to keep in touch. On the downside, right now she is very much self-centered. Even her initiative to spend the night with Touya was born out of HER needs and wishes, and not as something she'd do for him. Touya is an important part of HER world, and that's what she's tending to, not TOUYA's needs. My opinion on her will be determined by what she's doing once she realizes the selfishness of her current perspective, and by her efforts for the sake of OTHERS she then will or will not make. Rina: I had to laugh about her "Yuki won't have anything about me borrowing Touya for an hour, right?" comment. It was soooo her. My impression is that for the time being, Touya is an interesting belonging of her GF Yuki that she wants to play with. Right now, I don't smell any romantic intentions. Rina found out in Echoes that the Yuki/Touya relationship was lacking something, so she meddled in things in order to give the two more quality time. In other words, her primary goal is to help Yuki in her relationship. At the same time, she was tickled by the goddess bit, and by Touya's obvious adoration of her. "What's yours is also mine" seems to be her motto. Things will get much more tense once Yuki has any reason to question Rina's involvements, and that will be once either Rina or Touya begin to show romantic interest in each other. We're not there yet though... Haruka: Not much to be said, other than that I kinda pity her. Brutally put, even though it will probably be nurtured by a genuine self-interest, she's the only girl who is currently actively caring about Touya himself. It's a thankless role, and I smell that there's some willing exploitation going on here. Misaki: Shown in only a minute part of ep4. Obviously she's been playing the senpai role for quite a while. Let's wait and see. Yayoi: Dedicated and very capable girl, oozing "professional" out of every pore. Methinks there's a real chance that she might check on non-responsive Yuki, ruining their night in early episode 5. By disposition, the natural enemy of Touya. It will be interesting to see how far she'll be willing to go in order to wreck the two. Bratty girl: Yes, I know who she is, but let's stick to what we know from the anime directly. Methinks that her honest bluntness will be used to nail some hard truths in Touya's head when the time comes. But I enjoyed her much more than expected, and her "I hope you find her" at the end was a nice touch. Her Aesop fable reference was a scary thing. Read up on it... the gist of the story should be pretty unsettling for Touya. And it's oh so fitting... Eiji: Got me laughing with his "Am I liberated now?" line. He knew exactly what Rina was trying to achieve, and still played along with it. Will be interesting to see what line he's going to steer between Yayoi and Rina. Touya: Looking for love and acceptance, but having serious difficulties there. Getting kicked out by his father obviously left a scar (I wonder if we'll see more about that in the future), and unfortunately, Yuki seems very much oblivious to his own needs so far. Rina realized them, but her meddling has been a two-edged sword so far. This guy has a major communication problem. The different memories of their pasts underline that Yuki and Touya are not really in synch. However, I'm already willing to predict that she will be his end match. About the goddess of the day / everyday issue: Yes, Yuki isn't a "goddess" to him, but she's a constant. I don't think that this is demeaning towards her from his end. rather that she's the default. Which might be much more than the more fleeting favors of his daily goddesses. In summary, I love the taste of the show. Reminds me of a nice Riesling white wine - the taste is pleasant, but never entirely fulfilling, you drink a bit more enjoying it without being fully satisfied. Let's see where it goes. PS: I don't remember when the last time I felt seriously emotionally invested in a show without a clear person I was rooting for. The anime DOES keep us at arms' length. Quite interesting. Last edited by Mentar; 2009-01-26 at 08:13.

2009-01-26, 13:55	Link #369
Kaoru Chujo Yuuki Aoi Join Date: Jul 2004	This show is a complex fabric of many threads. The question is whether they will be able to pull it all together into a coherent whole as they resolve the threads. But unlike Toua, I am enjoying every minute of the fuzzy complexity and lack of definition. Of course, I loved Touka Gettan, too. Various threads: Yuki and Touya: Is Touya drifting away from Yuki, as he sees her more and more occupied by her career? Does he feel inferior or left behind? Does he think of her as inferior and have trouble accepting her seeming to rise above him? Does she offer herself to him out of a fear that he is drifting, or just a fear that her career is going to make it even more impossible to meet? Is their love a hollow shell of teenage habit, rather than a deep relationship? Rina and Yuki: Is Rina really a friend, or is she just trying to manoeuver Yuki into the best situation for being a success for the company? Is she somehow after Touya, if only to prove to herself her attractiveness? Or is she manipulating him in some way for the good of the company? Rina and Eiji: Is there a competitive dynamic going on there? Touya and Haruka, Touya and Misaki, Touya and Mana. Yuki's career: Would she be willing to abandon Touya for the sake of the career? All those loose threads of subplot keep me wondering and speculating and sympathizing with the feelings of all concerned. As for Touya seeming a bit like a jerk, Shiroth, the things I'm thinking of are things like (1) the way he puts down but does not end things with Haruka, (2) the way he kept trying to pass on the poetry books Misaki wanted to loan him, (3) the way he was so vague about when and where to meet, and did not try to solve the problem himself but enlisted another goddess, (4) the way he is not inwardly committed to Yuki, but wondering about Rina, even though he continues to be Yuki's boyfriend. Things like that. I'm not saying he's a bad person. Most of those things seem fairly normal. But they are jerk-like, to me. As we all are, sometimes. He is a pretty good everyman, for me. I don't hate him. He just reminds me of the Baudelaire quote I've been remembering a lot recently: "Hypocrite reader, you who are like me, my brother." (French: Hypocrite lecteur, mon semblable, mon frere.) __________________ YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games. Last edited by Kaoru Chujo; 2009-01-26 at 23:07.

2009-01-25, 20:24	Link #364
anyme Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	At first, I watched this anime and felt the True tears atmosphere ( first 3 EPs). After I finished 4th EP, it's like Harem atmosphere.

2009-01-26, 11:49	Link #367
cyth Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 38	Is this show supposed to be one cour long? If so, the creators aren't very smart. Assuming we're two DVDs in and 100 EUR poorer, it's depressing that the story still hasn't made it clear in what direction it's heading. I already feel like I'm chewing on a damp towel. Knowing this to be two cour long would make me spit it out.

2009-01-26, 15:25	Link #371
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	ooh, i knew there were ill intentions with Rina calling. Rina suggested telling Touya to go early to make up for his occasional lateness, giving no indication to Yuki that she wanted to steal him away first. A small blip, but snowballed into the two of them missing each other for the whole day. I also think that Touya has some jerk qualities. He seems to forget important milestones in his and Yuki's past together, and he doesn't find it at all suspicious that Rina is trying to do all those things for them. I know that possibility crosses his mind this ep, but anyone with any light in their brain would be suspicious first, accepting second. Plus he inadvertently "slapped" Yuki when he didn't remember that the two of them had met at the location of her current residence. I commend Yuki for trying to salvage their relationship, because it seems as though Touya is once again taking it for granted. Its definitely implied that they had sex, but i was a little disappointed they didn't at least visualize it in some way or form like they did in Kare Kano. I hope they can just weed out the side stories soon and focus on the two that really matter.

2009-01-26, 16:26	Link #374
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	mentar, i officially quit this show :P i knew i should not have tried to analyze anime after 5 hours of straight classes...

2009-01-26, 16:41	Link #375
Mentar Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamburg Age: 54	Oi, I sure hope you're only kidding ^_^; I mean, I may be perfectly wrong, I know nothing more than you do. Just tried to point out where I came to different conclusions.

2009-01-26, 17:25	Link #377
prototype_sky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY	There is a very high chance of either Rina or Yuki's manager showing up and breaking up their little party or Touya chickening out.