2009-09-23, 23:00 | Link #1961 |
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The problem i have with religion is that i think man are too egoistic to think that a being capable of creating the universe (if it exist) will accord preferential treatment to man. Man is only better than mere animals by their intelligence. However, to a being with infinite intelligence there will be no perceived difference between man and animals. It also would not need any pointless worship from mere man.
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2009-09-23, 23:06 | Link #1962 | |
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2009-09-23, 23:11 | Link #1963 |
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Write that down somewhere, along with your current way of thinking, and don't look at it again for two to five years. Time changes things in a manner that you can't predict and may not even realize. Everything changes.
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2009-09-23, 23:20 | Link #1964 | |
is this so?
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Living for the sake of enjoying life is not a bad thing. Not my job to mourn the suffering of others (people who aren't relatives or friends). No offense ok.
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2009-09-23, 23:29 | Link #1965 | |
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2009-09-23, 23:38 | Link #1966 | |
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We are created because under the laws that are created we had the probability to exist and by luck of the draw we did. |
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2009-09-24, 00:27 | Link #1967 | |
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....Sorry, I'm not sure how to interact with this idea of "we exist because of luck". I'm hoping someone else could share their thoughts. |
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2009-09-24, 00:48 | Link #1969 | ||
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Also, If you look at it. Our only difference from animals that exists with us is our brain. That brain makes out this thoughts that we are special. But in reality. We are no special as an elephant would be. I mean, if we are really God's special creation then why are we physically weaker compared to most animals out there? why cant we swim in the deep sea without devices to support us? We only survived this long because of our brain. And that doesnt make us special. Every species has their own special abilities. Thats all there is to it. IMO. And IMO the only purpose we exist. We only exist to survive. Quote:
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2009-09-24, 00:50 | Link #1970 | |
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Edit: Can someone answer me this? Suppose that you have lived for 80 years, and today is your last day. A nice house, lovely scenery, deep blue sky. Your family is around you. Your son is a successful man. His wife is a wonderful women who born him 2 beautiful daughters who are attending some prestigious school. Friends, relatives ect... are all around you. You have 2 more seconds to live. In the first second, the picture changes. There is no friends, relatives or such. Your son is serving 20 years in prison. Your 2 granddaughters are prostituting to make end meets and at the same time, pay for your medication. The house is reek of pee. One of the granddaughter receives a phone call and is about to leave. 1 second left. Now think. If you are in that position, what exactly is the difference between those two situations? I see none, but I know there must be a big difference. What is it? Last edited by iLney; 2009-09-24 at 01:11. |
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2009-09-24, 00:58 | Link #1972 |
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That statement is contradictory.
Anyway, we die but before we die we reproduce. So in a way we are still alive in the form of our future off springs. We adapted this from our microbial ancestors. An efficient way to survive IMO.
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2009-09-24, 01:00 | Link #1973 | |
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2009-09-24, 01:14 | Link #1975 | |
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This is what some call the Anthropic Principle -- and it usually invokes a multi-verse where uncountable universes bubble up in the cosmic "foam"... most are sterile, but a few do quite nicely. The actual hypothesis is highly speculative and not tooooo far removed from where I assign the Prime Mover idea you seem to be espousing.
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2009-09-24, 01:27 | Link #1977 |
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Nonexistence is not a truly conceivable concept by us. We know the meaning, but you cannot visualize it or comprehend it, because then you'd give it form and thus it is no longer "nonexistence" as it has now become something. I posted this a page or two ago in responding to TRL's challenge... I've written letters to myself in such a manner. What's remarkable is that my thinking HAS not changed. This truly scares me actually.
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If your a deist, have you ever thought where God went? Did he just started relaxing somewhere? IMO, w/o God's continuing concentration, (a no-absence) the universe will cease to exist. Quote:
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2009-09-24, 01:44 | Link #1979 | |
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Even if there was some sort of "godly" power behind it, in all likelyhood, it wouldnt be any of the gods as they are described in any of the worlds various religions because how they have been described does not jive with any of the consistantly verifiable data that we currently have of the universe. |
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2009-09-24, 01:51 | Link #1980 | |
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I am not removing the "automatic" as a possibility, but when I try to connect it to complex society/emotions/ and individual experience, it "feels"---using my intuition--lacking. |
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