2006-10-18, 01:50 | Link #2182 |
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If you are pointing to one of the two, Fignae, the impression I got from the source of the info was not so positive. But your comment certainly makes me want to read it.
Evangelion is a great work. However, I have once done a long research to find out what the staff intended to convey by the esoteric story as a whole and ended up without conclusion. Not that I'm serious for every show, but Eva seemed to promise a reward at that time. I still wish someone to put forth its overall theme which I can agree to. As one who tends to stick to staff's literal intention, finding several candidates for the overarching theme of Simoun was much easier. So I disagree to yononaka's thought that we read more than the show actually has. Hey, yononaka! Whether you gave us compliment or not, it's there and we read it. Besides, Eva teems with things to ponder over and feel. Also, the setting itself was enjoyable intellectual challenge. Grr, I'm changing this thread into Evangelion's. Let me shut up. |
2006-10-18, 02:47 | Link #2185 |
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No, not at all. The relationships between the characters are an important part of the story - the entire anime is mostly character-driven - but there's none of the "ZOMG, lesbians! Hey everyone, check out the freak-show!" thing you get in SP (this isn't just mindless SP-bashing, I watched the whole series and will admit to enjoying some facets of it). At first it may seem to be laying on the fanservice, but don't be fooled: sabisu plays a much smaller part than in most anime, and the story is strong enough that you'll soon have plenty of other things to think about.
The show isn't perfect, but in this particular regard you worry needlessly
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2006-10-18, 03:59 | Link #2186 | |
nani ni tatoemu
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So, what I was saying was that whatever was there wasn't working and that the "greatness" wasn't there. (That this includes "for me" should be obvious unless you think I think I'm God. Which I guess you might, given your repeated admonishments about my selfishness. Never mind that I said it was an opinion. How very selfish of me to have one...) I really don't see how you can tell me that it's "actually" there. (Barring some "overwhelming majority" argument which would only fly if the show were in fact widely popular.) Nor can I tell you that it isn't there for sure, other than in the sense that I don't think there's anything particularly special about Simoun. As far as you not reading into it more than what the show "actually" has: do you have the ability to see the show exactly as it comes out of the mind of the creators? It is pretty much inevitable that once you become a fan, you develop your own extensions to what the creators have given you. There's nothing wrong with that, and to deny that it happens seems very strange to me. |
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2006-10-18, 06:06 | Link #2187 | |
Loyal Haruhist.
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A character study,personnaly I never saw Simoun as a character study.The priestsess were of course a central part of the show.But the most intresting for me wasn't the character themselves but how they react to the new situation.And how the whole political system react to the new situation:war. For me,the first ten ep were about the struggle of the priestess and the system to cope with the new situation.Neviril saw herself as a Priestess and that's the focus of the show at the beginning:A priestess can't fight a war,there's a contradiction. It's funny to see that even at the End Spoiler:
For me it 's not only about the characters but also the end of an era symbolized by the sunken ship.It' the end of innocence, not only for the characters but also for an entire world. The discussion between Floe and Vyura is very symbolic.They will fight,they consider themselves as pilots and no longer as Priestess;and soon the Chor Tempest will be forgotten.
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2006-10-18, 09:23 | Link #2188 | ||
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The Chinese fansub group, YYK, recently released the 25th Simoun episode. With it came a translation note from their TL, glyco. They took these words 「落ちる」("ochiru") and drew another connection from it, in addition to the obvious Western connotation of the Biblical Fall we already know. It is Sakaguchi Ango's 1946 essay, "Darakuron" (『堕落論』, i.e. "On Decadence"). glyco quotes these lines from the essay:
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Nonetheless, it is academically very interesting. Sakaguchi wrote this after Japan's defeat in World War II. His thesis contains the idea (sorry, I haven't read it in detail) that the nation can pick itself up in the wake of defeat, even that the fall is necessary in order for the nation to discover itself again. This idea has severe resonances when applied to Simoun. Also, the two notions of the fall as Biblical and the fall into "decadence" can arguably co-exist; there doesn't have to be a contradiction. Besides the similarities they share, the controlling motif behind them both is, after all, the behemoth that is "modernity", a combination of technology, capitalism and politics that culminates in change, and more importantly, the self-awareness of change. I could waffle on about how Simoun fits "Western" literary history, but that would take time and knowledge I don't have at my fingertips. That said, wrapping all this in the nutshell of a child growing up and falling and learning is a great metaphor, one that leads us on many possible avenues of thought. We'll never know the work's creator or his unconscious with any intimacy, I must disclaim, but I like knowing that the Japanese collective unconscious contains such an element. [See Ian Smith's essay and translation of Darakuron for full text. Also see the original text by Sakaguchi Ango -- and the picture of the wing, the wing!] For those who didn't hear the word... which is most of you that may have included me (oh god, I wrote all this about a word?!), it appears in Episode 1 and 25 and, er, I don't know where else. |
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2006-10-18, 19:12 | Link #2190 | |
Dansa med oss
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Location: Near Cincinnati, OH, but actually in Kentucky
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2006-10-19, 12:10 | Link #2192 |
Yuuki Aoi
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The fansubs have settled on Aaeru, which is exactly what it is in Japanese. There is some publicity stuff from Japan that makes it Aer, which is also nice because it is like "air." But there are some important points in the show where people pronounce her name in three full syllables, so I think Aaeru is still the best.
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2006-10-20, 10:10 | Link #2193 |
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/Offtopic On
Onegai, Can somebody here, help me out? I've read today, that""Japan Society for Rights of Authors, Composers and Publishers" (JASRAC) has YouTube deleting some (nearly 30.000) Files. Well, i already lost my Air Gear AMV cause of that. And to prevent losing my Simoun AMVs, i need your help. Has someone an EMail to contact them (english speaking&writing of course) to check out, if they have something against them? (in other words. Get the right to stay "Live!") or can someone write in Nippon to them, and asking in my name to stay live, please? I love my AMVs, cause i put my heart in them. Domo arigato, in advance. Mfg, Seska /Offtopic Off Last edited by Seska; 2006-10-20 at 10:51. |
2006-10-20, 16:46 | Link #2195 |
大いなる希望の力、キュア・ドリーム!
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X7BKDWQ0
Double post but this is the Opening of the Game... Interesting, need to watch it... Finally i will see a Story... Orchestred and directed by Fafner Scenarist The Ancient Simoun and the destiny of Sibylla
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2006-10-21, 14:01 | Link #2197 |
Yuuki Aoi
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Yes, Ichikyo. Merci mille fois. I was fascinated by the futuristic scenes -- from ancient times when the lost technology was new? -- and by the new sibylla waking up (from the past?). And I liked the simoun tumbling as they rose, and the rose petals like cherry-blossoms in the air. And the music. Am I so much of a fan that I will even play the game? (Shakes head.)
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2006-10-21, 23:36 | Link #2198 |
Dansa med oss
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Near Cincinnati, OH, but actually in Kentucky
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... :O
So much plot... so many loose threads winding together... so much... win. After this video, I couldn't care less about the gameplay; it's story time Seriously though, that white building with all the pillars, those capsules (with people inside?) and that blue-haired girl dressed kinda-sorta like a Sybilla have me totally salivating over the potential greatness contained in this. Maybe this is what the anime was supposed to have in it, but was cut due to budget/time constraints. Maybe the team was hoping for a hit and a greenlight for a second series, and when they didn't get it, they had to quickly shift the focus. Might explain the sudden shift from plot-driven to character-driven at about the 1/4 mark. |
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