2012-04-12, 13:07 | Link #1801 | |
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Let's not forget about that some people who want to check out the original source after watching the anime. A pretty recent example would be Steins;Gate |
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2012-04-12, 13:48 | Link #1802 | |
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Whether you plan to watch it or read a few summaries, you can't just go recommending something to other people that you yourself haven't experienced. How sure are you that you'll like it anyway? The definition of a recommendation is that you yourself as a person has experienced it and you would love for other people to experience what you have. As a blogger, my standpoint is that when I write something, I actually know what I'm talking about. I'm pretty ticked off with people who say things they have no knowledge of, kinda like what you're doing. Meh whatever. Going back to topic. . . I never really got into Shakugan no Shana or Zero no Tsukaima but then that really still doesn't count since they do have a fair share of people who hate it. Oh yeah, I never really found Seto no Hanayome that funny but I'm definitely alone in that statement.
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2012-04-12, 13:59 | Link #1803 | |
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2012-04-12, 14:17 | Link #1804 | |
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I agree an anime adaptation *should* be able to stand on its own merits -- but its like, say, the Downey/Law version of Sherlock Holmes. Great entertaining movies but a substantial "re-envisioning" of the characters from the original books. (of which the Reginald Owen BBC version is probably closer to). Gregory Peck's Moby Dick is a fantastic movie... but its like a brief summary of some highlights of the book, grinding the characters down to almost sound-bite archetypes. Jackson's LOTR, as expansive as it is and good, stands on its own quite well... yet managed to adapt the material and leave the book fans relatively happy. OTOH, the movie Dune is a massive trainwreck both in adaptation and in a standalone analysis, but so massive a trainwreck it should be seen anyway. All of this applies to anime as well... its an entertainment medium - one that often uses source material. Producers often find that adapting well is a Good Thing because its the source fans that generate the buzz.
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2012-04-12, 14:25 | Link #1805 |
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That's ok, if it's that way around, Vexx.
But all I read around here, is people dissing anime series based on their VN experience. Which is just meaningless and bad advice, if someone is going to watch the anime first. If watching the anime then sparks interest in the source, all the better. But a comparison to source is not a valid argument when recommending anime. Unless of course both parties have read the source and only one has watched the anime. In that case, sure include it. All of your examples are of popular stories, that almost anyone knows at least something about. But in case you get the odd person, who really has no idea what Moby Dick, or LoTR is and wants to watch a movie. Then this person couldn't care less about how true the movie is to it's book origin. 'Is it a good movie?', is what s/he'd be asking. |
2012-04-12, 14:32 | Link #1806 | |
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Like many people won't recommend you watching the Tsukihime anime, not just because it differs from the source but for reasons why certain elements/ parts of the story did not make sense or were not even explained in the anime at all. Animes tend to cut away some things from it source due to time constraints (trying to fit a VN that needs 40+ hours to read in 1 cour of anime episodes), but i would call it a bad adaptation if the removed material was a relevant part of understanding the story. |
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2012-04-12, 14:38 | Link #1808 |
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Long ago, before I even know what "Type Moon" meant, I actually liked Tsukihime animu simpy for offering a protagonist with an interesting ability, and for the overall atmosphere.
I grew "smarter" later on though.
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2012-04-12, 14:42 | Link #1809 | ||
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I am not saying that you have to keep everything 100% faithfull, but you are making it sound as if those 2 different audiences don't matter at all Also some animes and OAV's don't stand alone at all, like Cromarty high, Sora no Kiseki, School Rumble san gakki, the later Negima oav's. |
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2012-04-12, 14:50 | Link #1810 | |
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That's the dilemma of using a VN for source.... an anime is a one-route presentation. The omnibus anime (like Amagami) or the hybrids (like YnS) are attempts to get around the fact that it is difficult to adapt these things. Its one reason I've grown to prefer Light Novel adaptations because then its just a matter of adapting "one reality". The example of Canvas 2 shows some of the difficulty and creativity in trying to create a decent story that at least pays homage to the VN. The material was converted to a triangle and related to the protagonist's career/life choices. The other women were shifted to "people with problems to be solved". It was made clear early that this was the story line. The series generated a lot of passion and angst ... but few of the fans seemed to be upset with the series itself (outside of some debate over whether there was enough explanation of WHY the hero chose as he did).
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2012-04-12, 14:57 | Link #1811 | |
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2012-04-12, 15:25 | Link #1812 | |
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I mean... I can understand it (I'm one of those that thinks the plot had to be trainwrecked in the manga Love Hina to avoid a Keitaro-Motoko ending) but I just find the extremes some "fans" go to alarming
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2012-04-12, 15:53 | Link #1813 | |
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I understand the motivation of a publisher to give its print publications a boost by underwriting an anime adaptation, but that's really irrelevant to me. What I do care about is whether I enjoy the anime, and that usually doesn't require having any prior knowledge of the source material. [ot]I think my favorite adaptations of the Sherlock Holmes stories are the ones made for the BBC/PBS with Jeremy Brett. The Dune movie is a self-indulgent directorial mess (David Lynch at his worst), but the made-for-TV miniseries version is actually pretty decent and much more faithful to the original novel.[/ot]
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2012-04-12, 16:15 | Link #1814 |
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I get the feeling some people think faithfulness to the source material is an inherently good thing. Has it ever occurred to anyone that perhaps, just perhaps, the reason an anime adaptation of a Visual Novel or Light novel or manga or whatever sucks is because the source material itself actually sucks? In such a case, diverging from the source material might actually do more good than harm.
I think it's also important to keep in mind that each person's perception of the source material affects his or her expectations of an adaptation for the work. You think the adaptation is going to be made one way only for it to surprise you; whether your reaction is positive or negative, well, that's up to each person. Just my two cents...
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2012-04-12, 16:22 | Link #1815 | |
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2012-04-12, 16:33 | Link #1816 |
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That depends on what you mean by promising. If you mean "has a good chance to produce decent sales" then I can see how something won't be adapted if it doesn't have a good chance of making decent sales. If you mean "it sucks so it shouldn't be adapted"...well I don't know how many people say that a favorite of his or hers sucks. At any rate, a story isn't free from being of bad quality just because it's the source material.
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2012-04-12, 16:36 | Link #1817 | |
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As for my favorites not being adapted, either i wasn't very clear or you misinterpreted what i posted: it's not that the actual story sucked but the stories are not always suited for anime (like for example being too dark)or they never had any promising decent amount of sales. For the anime industry (much like every kind of industry), it's primarily about making money. |
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As you said, it's the primary goal of any industry to make money.
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2012-04-12, 16:51 | Link #1819 | |
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Also can you think of many animes that are almost not related to their sources, that end up selling well? Like i have said it earlier, by not bringing some faithfullness to it's source you are likely going to lose a huge amount of people. Do you really think that series like Persona 4, Fate/Zero and Horizon would have had that many DVD and blu-ray sales if it weren't for the already established fanbase? |
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