(L) Mushoku Tensei -Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu- [WN]

[The One Above God]

I imagine Orsted as an intimidating white haired Ryuuji...strange...anyway, I'm still at chapter 150 and

Spoiler for Hitogami:

Hitogami will be an enemy? I've already had a hunch, but oh well. If anyone could enlighten me about him, then it'd be great .

[z3r0x]

Spoiler for :

Hitogami did nothing wrong. No one want to be brutally murdered (raped) by a bunch of guys.

He is a liar asshole though.

[laclongquan]

Aaaaah, a virgin asking to be despoiled eh. Shall we educate you all that await?

[Dart-Sama]

Originally Posted by z3r0x

Spoiler for :

Hitogami did nothing wrong. No one want to be brutally murdered (raped) by a bunch of guys.

He is a liar asshole though.

have u even through why the only surviving god of the other worlds hate him?
i put my hands to the fire he was responsable of the destruction

[yulinard]

I think Hitogami really messed up big time in the present loop. I dont think summoning Rudy and Nanahosi was not his doing since because of that Orsted get an uperhand. He managed to get in touch with Clive who work with his curse and learn Gisu as Hitogami's insurrance. Even the loop failled Orsted have huge starting advantage.

[The One Above God]

Although I like the boosts the Magic Armor gives Rudi, I don't like the idea of an oversized suit of armor for some reason...his fight against Orsted while using it is awesome though. He even cornered him into using a sword.

Anyway, currently at Chap 177 and I find it kinda awesome that the apparently strongest guy and the one guy he was most afraid with is now backing him up. Also,

Spoiler for .:

the fact that Gisu is an apostle of Hitogami is sort of unexpected for me. I was momentarily surprised and if I happen to be someone who rages over spoilers, the I'd probably still not be in the mood to read .

'Twas a good twist for me

[Destiny Knight]

Originally Posted by The One Above God

Although I like the boosts the Magic Armor gives Rudi, I don't like the idea of an oversized suit of armor for some reason...his fight against Orsted while using it is awesome though. He even cornered him into using a sword.

Anyway, currently at Chap 177 and I find it kinda awesome that the apparently strongest guy and the one guy he was most afraid with is now backing him up. Also,

Spoiler for .:

the fact that Gisu is an apostle of Hitogami is sort of unexpected for me. I was momentarily surprised and if I happen to be someone who rages over spoilers, the I'd probably still not be in the mood to read .

'Twas a good twist for me

Nobody expected him to be that but if you think about it most of his novel have sign that show who would be the apostle and nobody expected him because he is like a minor character that you never notice really if you see how much screentime he gets.

[Wargumm1i]

I respect Gisu to some degree, but I think he will come around. He did say that he was not sure why Rudy betrayed Hitogami, so when he hears the reason why and what this is all really about. He will understand hopefully.

[ComaLoL]

Originally Posted by Wargumm1i

I respect Gisu to some degree, but I think he will come around. He did say that he was not sure why Rudy betrayed Hitogami, so when he hears the reason why and what this is all really about. He will understand hopefully.

Spoiler for reason why he will not understand:

for gisu it was still right to serve hitogami after he was responsible for the destruction of his entire village (that should also encompass his family and friends)... if a village is still not enough to justify a betrayal how can a single woman and child be enough?

[bludvein]

Originally Posted by Wargumm1i

I respect Gisu to some degree, but I think he will come around. He did say that he was not sure why Rudy betrayed Hitogami, so when he hears the reason why and what this is all really about. He will understand hopefully.

As the guy above me said, Gisu knows Hitogami was responsible for the destruction of his village and presumably his family, yet he still serves because he relies on Hitogami's advice to give himself self-worth. It's pretty clear he sees himself as nothing without that advice, even though he knows Hitogami is a horrible person.

He'd see any bad things that Hitogami planned for Rudy as nothing but a balancing of the scales for the help he gave him.

[z3r0x]

Originally Posted by Destiny Knight

Nobody expected him to be that but if you think about it most of his novel have sign that show who would be the apostle and nobody expected him because he is like a minor character that you never notice really if you see how much screentime he gets.

The only suspicious thing that monkey had done was his knowledge of Zenith's location. The author grabbed on that and decided to turn him into an apostle and made us scream "wtf I didn't expect that".

Spoiler for :

Rifujin na Magonote is Hitogami.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by z3r0x

The only suspicious thing that monkey had done was his knowledge of Zenith's location. The author grabbed on that and decided to turn him into an apostle and made us scream "wtf I didn't expect that".

Spoiler for :

Rifujin na Magonote is Hitogami.

it was inconsistant form the start how Gisu knew which Dungeon Zenith was located in.

He reported adventures had seen Zenith wondering in the dungeon but Zenith was inside the crystal the whole time. If Zenith wasn't wondering around how did Gisu knew which dungeon she was in?

I originally thought the inconsistency was just bad writing that will probably get fix when the wn is rls as ln.

[Tyrhunger]

Just Gisu being imprisoned with Rudeus was too great coincidence.

[Hmm....]

Just discover this manga like a month ago and I read all 21 LN volume in 2 weeks This LN is very addicting lol

Originally Posted by Tyrhunger

How do you imagine Oersted seems like?

When I read LN this image pop in my head.
Creepy guy with sinister aura around him, silver hair, gold eyes, long for revenge, randomly stab people on the street and mock them before they die. It must be this guy.

Spoiler:

Enheart Nelreth from Log Horizon SS2

Originally Posted by Wargumm1i

I respect Gisu to some degree, but I think he will come around. He did say that he was not sure why Rudy betrayed Hitogami, so when he hears the reason why and what this is all really about. He will understand hopefully.

I see it differently. I think it's Rudy who need to come around. I think he's making grave error in his judgment right now. He's too obsessed with Apostle. It is fine if he want to see Hitogami as his enemy. But I don't think he should view all of his apostle as hostile. Most of them are just innocent people who see a dream once or twice. Being used. Being deceived. Go around killing all of them seem counter productive for me. Honestly, his overthinking about is this guy apostle ? is that guy apostle ? starting to get on my nerve a bit lol.

Originally Posted by z3r0x

The only suspicious thing that monkey had done was his knowledge of Zenith's location. The author grabbed on that and decided to turn him into an apostle and made us scream "wtf I didn't expect that".

I think that would be a bad idea though. If he turn Gisu into Apostle just because of one inconsistency. Gisu's action is now full of consistency lol

1. When he first met Rudy in Durodia prison. If it's actually Hitogami's advice, why is there the need to go into prison himself ? to kill Rudy ? to help Rudy escape ? To keep Rudy there as long as possible ? what for ?
2. He secretly release holy beast over and over so it can form a bond with Rudy. This most likely lead to Rudy summon it as guardian beast later on and Lala the savior get her guardian. Why did he do that ? Hitogami shouldn't want that, should he ?
3. He help Paul reconcile with Rudy. I thought Hitogami want to lead Rudy along smuggler --> Durodia path so he got no information about teleportation event. However why is there a need to reconcile them ?
4. He lead Paul and other to the dungeon Zenith is. What for ? to kill Roxy ? to kill them all ? I can understand leading them elsewhere but why lead to correct one ?
5. He even send out a letter to Rudy without Paul consent. Result in Hitogami telling Rudy not to go to Begaritto Continent. If there is no letter, Rudy has no reason to go there in the first place. I thought Hitogami want to keep Rudy away from Roxy ?
6. Zenith kidnapping incident. Why did he do it ? To pitch Rudy against Milis Kingdom ? Then why stop Rudy from going rampage in Latreia Residence in the first place ? Is it worth exposing him as apostle ?
7. When he leave, why did he have to leave that letter and blabbing all of this out ? If he quietly leave, Rudy should still have enough trust in him to not jump the gun. At least, he won't go into frenzy mode searching for him. Does he try to distract Rudy from other task ?

Gisu's action is way too inconsistance now. I don't even know if he really work for Hitogami lol

I will give the author a benefit of doubt that he has everything prepared and that Gisiu's action along with Rudy's obsession over apostle is intentionally left that way so it can come back and bite Rudy later on.

[Tyrhunger]

I was thinking, maybe Hitogami has a curse. To him harm someone he needs to do X nice things to the same person? Or something following that idea.

[Steal-Man]

Originally Posted by Hmm....

Just discover this manga like a month ago and I read all 21 LN volume in 2 weeks This LN is very addicting lol


When I read LN this image pop in my head.
Creepy guy with sinister aura around him, silver hair, gold eyes, long for revenge, randomly stab people on the street and mock them before they die. It must be this guy.

Spoiler:

Enheart Nelreth from Log Horizon SS2

I see it differently. I think it's Rudy who need to come around. I think he's making grave error in his judgment right now. He's too obsessed with Apostle. It is fine if he want to see Hitogami as his enemy. But I don't think he should view all of his apostle as hostile. Most of them are just innocent people who see a dream once or twice. Being used. Being deceived. Go around killing all of them seem counter productive for me. Honestly, his overthinking about is this guy apostle ? is that guy apostle ? starting to get on my nerve a bit lol.




I think that would be a bad idea though. If he turn Gisu into Apostle just because of one inconsistency. Gisu's action is now full of consistency lol

1. When he first met Rudy in Durodia prison. If it's actually Hitogami's advice, why is there the need to go into prison himself ? to kill Rudy ? to help Rudy escape ? To keep Rudy there as long as possible ? what for ?
2. He secretly release holy beast over and over so it can form a bond with Rudy. This most likely lead to Rudy summon it as guardian beast later on and Lala the savior get her guardian. Why did he do that ? Hitogami shouldn't want that, should he ?
3. He help Paul reconcile with Rudy. I thought Hitogami want to lead Rudy along smuggler --> Durodia path so he got no information about teleportation event. However why is there a need to reconcile them ?
4. He lead Paul and other to the dungeon Zenith is. What for ? to kill Roxy ? to kill them all ? I can understand leading them elsewhere but why lead to correct one ?
5. He even send out a letter to Rudy without Paul consent. Result in Hitogami telling Rudy not to go to Begaritto Continent. If there is no letter, Rudy has no reason to go there in the first place. I thought Hitogami want to keep Rudy away from Roxy ?
6. Zenith kidnapping incident. Why did he do it ? To pitch Rudy against Milis Kingdom ? Then why stop Rudy from going rampage in Latreia Residence in the first place ? Is it worth exposing him as apostle ?
7. When he leave, why did he have to leave that letter and blabbing all of this out ? If he quietly leave, Rudy should still have enough trust in him to not jump the gun. At least, he won't go into frenzy mode searching for him. Does he try to distract Rudy from other task ?

Gisu's action is way too inconsistance now. I don't even know if he really work for Hitogami lol

I will give the author a benefit of doubt that he has everything prepared and that Gisiu's action along with Rudy's obsession over apostle is intentionally left that way so it can come back and bite Rudy later on.

he is not inconsistance.

he help rudy because paul was his friend, even without hitogami advise he would help paul tracking his family, i think even without hitogami he will meet rudy because he even be himself have good tracking abilities.

So u can easily justify his actions like something that a very good friend will do to help u and then he saw in rudy another friend like paul.

the bad thing is that gisu is a gambler so he will balance his own oportunities and choice the better for him, like that he just keep blind following hitogami advice and become aware of rudy's grudge agains hitogami and his apostle.

He is not a villian at all so he doubt about what he might do and with his own sense of value he did what he think was better in order to not keep any grudge agains himself ( then he just test rudy power and send the letter after that in order of have a more right battle) and he thinks too that with hitogami advice he cant lose (this is most likely true, if he knows barely all of rudy moves and can counter him he got the upper hand).

In fact the only villian like character in the story is Demond god laplace ; even gisu or hitogami just do things in order to survive and laplace just want kill all humans in the earth to satisfy his nonsense hate agains humans(if u recall laplace might just be another victim of hitogami shit plot to survive, but his respawn in demond god is just evil like character; at least until the autor give us more info about him).

[Waxman]

I doubt Hitogami only goal its to survive, in my opinion he has a plan and that's why Orsted failed his past loops.
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Orsted only seek what's necesary to kill Hitogami that's why he would have never discovered Gisu or any other in a similar situation, only by knowing what Hitogami really want can he be predicted and defeated.

[Cinocard]

Originally Posted by z3r0x

Spoiler for :

Hitogami did nothing wrong. No one want to be brutally murdered (raped) by a bunch of guys.

He is a liar asshole though.

Well, he kinda has that habit of laughing at your face after using you, destroying your life and throwing you away, you see.

I bet 10 bucks he has manipulated people for thousands of year for pure enjoyment.

[laon]

I think that Gisu secretly wants to bring destruction to Hitogami from the inside, fool your friend if you want to fool your enemy.

Originally Posted by z3r0x

The only suspicious thing that monkey had done was his knowledge of Zenith's location. The author grabbed on that and decided to turn him into an apostle and made us scream "wtf I didn't expect that".

Spoiler for :

Rifujin na Magonote is Hitogami.

He can't possibly knew Rudy's location when he first meet him without outside force, Rudy was unilaterally kidnapped with no possible witness around. The author has planned it all right from the start (and we should have noticed it when we knew that Gisu is Rudy's dad companion and he deliberately went to Dorudia to find Rudy).

[z3r0x]

Originally Posted by laon

I think that Gisu secretly wants to bring destruction to Hitogami from the inside, fool your friend if you want to fool your enemy.



He can't possibly knew Rudy's location when he first meet him without outside force, Rudy was unilaterally kidnapped with no possible witness around. The author has planned it all right from the start (and we should have noticed it when we knew that Gisu is Rudy's dad companion and he deliberately went to Dorudia to find Rudy).

Did you really think so before knowing Gisu is an apostle?
I doubt if any of us thought he is an apostle candidate, or his actions were suspicious back when the existence of apostle is known.
If the author can plan that far, he wouldn't have named the latest arc "Cliff arc". I mean he even admitted that it couldn't be helped.