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Old 2014-03-05, 15:21   Link #61
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Usopp faced down Arlong. He faced down Rob Lucci. He faced down Oars.

But he basically just left the Tontatta at Trebol's mercy. Not to mention blaming Franky for it. I don't think it matters what Usopp does now, I can't stand him anymore, that was absolutely disgraceful.

On the upside, I really enjoyed the Gladius fight scene this chapter, and the Pica v Zoro one looks interesting too. Also, now that Kyros has joined Luffy and Violet, I get the feeling that human Kyros will have a pretty important part to play in helping Luffy against Doflamingo.
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Old 2014-03-05, 15:22   Link #62
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And that's the problem with all your excuses for his behavior... you keep going back to how he behaved BEFORE the time skip, BEFORE his two years of training, and basically ignore what he did since coming back.... you are correct, Usopp is very much acting like he did in those previous arcs, but that's exactly why its a problem and why its regression. Its character regression because he is back to behaving like Pre-time skip usopp.
...possibly caused by Ussopp forgetting most events of Enies Lobby (which was a major step for him), i.e. one of the foundations of his character development crumbled and caused a chain reaction that turned him into the "old Ussopp".
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Old 2014-03-05, 15:35   Link #63
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...possibly caused by Ussopp forgetting most events of Enies Lobby (which was a major step for him), i.e. one of the foundations of his character development crumbled and caused a chain reaction that turned him into the "old Ussopp".
I had something similar in mind. And you're right, Chinjao also had similar behavior when his grandchildren got turned into toys.

Perhaps we are being hasty, and in the end all of that is the result of that chain reaction. Come to think of it, with Robin out of the picture I think I'm beggining to understand why Usopp's blaming Franky.
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Old 2014-03-05, 15:50   Link #64
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Aaaaand... your point is? You're again making a big fuss out of a character quirk and taking it seriously without realizing Usopp is just acting stupid for the time being. Also, do you read yourself? Are you by some chance comparing a fake strawhat with two powerful foes who serve the most dangerous threat the crew has ever faced since Kizaru? With devil fruit powers Usopp stands no chance against by himself.
No I was comparing the fake strawhats to a pair of nothing dock workers that Ussop got scared of when they stumbled upon him and his group... Ussop been pretty pathetic this whole arc even though he had comrades by his side the entire time (contrast against your excuse for why he could be brave on fishman island where he faced a FAR greater threat than a pair of dock workers)

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Basically, you're telling me that if a character shows for a brief moment a behavior reminiscent of something that same character already did before it becomes a character regression? For real?
If the character has shown they GREW UP from that behavior, then YES it is character regression. Since the time skip Usopp showed that he grew up a great deal, and proved himself to be braver than he was before the time skip... now he's acting like he was back then and no longer like his post timeskip-self. Heck i'd say he's acting even more cowardly than he has in the past

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Also, now that Kyros has joined Luffy and Violet, I get the feeling that human Kyros will have a pretty important part to play in helping Luffy against Doflamingo.
I'm actually wondering if he still two legs or not... Did he loost that leg after becoming a toy and thus will be missing a leg when he turns back? For that matter, he's taking quite a bit of punishment; will that damage carry over when he transforms back? That could slow him down... Though ya, really looking forward to seeing him in action

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...possibly caused by Ussopp forgetting most events of Enies Lobby (which was a major step for him), i.e. one of the foundations of his character development crumbled and caused a chain reaction that turned him into the "old Ussopp".
Ussop has been acting this same way this entire arc. Just last chapter before Robin transformed he was screaming about how they have to run away. This isn't something new but an exention of how he's been behaving

Also we can't be sure if they forgot about enies lobby. Like the woman who was asked where her son's father was; she was just confused and didn't know how to answer. Or the Marines; they manage to remember they were on dressrosa to arrest certain criminals, but could not remember who, because they were erased. Its uncertain exactly how the memories are effected and it could be that they just leave big gaping holes in your memory. So the strawhats might remember going to Enies lobby, fighting CP9, their development and everything else... but when asked WHY they did it, they will just be confused and they won't be sure why they went though all that trouble in the first place. Luffy for instance might remember being really pissed off as CP9 because of something they took, but can't remember what that something was. Usopp would remember being kidnapped on the train, declaring war on the world government, and goading Lucci, but he won't remember why he did it. (Not to mention the part about Lucci had more to do with Luffy than of Robin)
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Old 2014-03-05, 15:51   Link #65
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TBH I hope he doesn't make a comeback as Sogeking. That just shows he hasn't really grow in terms of character development (seriously where did those 2 years worth of training and that fishman arc's Usopp go?!) and instead having to rely on some stupid ego to save the day. That inner dialouge at the end just made him look like a scumbag. If he did something, anything at all then maybe he would've look better running afterwards and I won't have to type this at all
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Old 2014-03-05, 16:24   Link #66
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Ussop has been acting this same way this entire arc. Just last chapter before Robin transformed he was screaming about how they have to run away. This isn't something new but an exention of how he's been behaving

Also we can't be sure if they forgot about enies lobby. Like the woman who was asked where her son's father was; she was just confused and didn't know how to answer. Or the Marines; they manage to remember they were on dressrosa to arrest certain criminals, but could not remember who, because they were erased. Its uncertain exactly how the memories are effected and it could be that they just leave big gaping holes in your memory. So the strawhats might remember going to Enies lobby, fighting CP9, their development and everything else... but when asked WHY they did it, they will just be confused and they won't be sure why they went though all that trouble in the first place. Luffy for instance might remember being really pissed off as CP9 because of something they took, but can't remember what that something was. Usopp would remember being kidnapped on the train, declaring war on the world government, and goading Lucci, but he won't remember why he did it. (Not to mention the part about Lucci had more to do with Luffy than of Robin)
The girl was not just "confused". She actually answered that "she has no father", as far as I can remember. She didn't just forget "who" her father is, but also that she has a father at all... the marines can be explained away as going after some names "they heard about from newspapers, bounties, rumours and their superiors", but they don't really know who they were, so they just forgot a few names, but not that they were pirates they were trying to capture. Don Chinjao however forgot that he had grandsons at all.

So we can see a pattern here. People forget the "occupation/work/job" of a person, if they know them personally, but not if they never met them in person or just barely know them. So it seems that escpacially any emotional ties are being cut off here, while logical ties seem to be more resistant to Sugars ability.

But really, Sugar's ability is freightening... she can influence ALL LIVING BEINGS on the planet, it seems, that is not to be taken lightly...


On another note... I think there was a One Piece filler in the anime once, that was about a seahorse, that can steal people's memories, just a little trivia i throw into this discussion.
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Old 2014-03-05, 17:02   Link #67
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Sanji won't be happy when he finds out what happened to Robin.
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Old 2014-03-05, 17:14   Link #68
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Sanji won't be happy when he finds out what happened to Robin.
Maybe he won't even find out, i.e. memories lost, while not noticing, later on memories regained, with, or without noticing.
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Old 2014-03-05, 17:37   Link #69
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You are not making any sense. Tabasco Star? Like that would have worked. And because of what happened to Robin, Usopp now thinks he's been alone all the time. If he gets captured is over, so running away was the safest and most logical option.

His speech in that panel? Usopp being Usopp, making excuses and lies only to eventually make a triumphant come back. That already happened in Water7.
Let's not kid ourselves, he didn't run away because it was the safest and most logical option. He ran away because he was scared shitless.

That this already happened before -and not just one time- is precisely the problem. This is repetitive, boring, and frustrating. Over 70 fucking volumes including a timeskip and Usopp hasn't evolved one bit. One of the appeal of that kind of long running shounen is to watch characters grow over time. Where is Usopp's growth? His behavior now is no different from that time in Arlong park, three years and dozens of battles ago!

Oda needs to move on and stop using the same tricks with Usopp. It worked wonders the first few times, but it's gotten seriously old. I won't feel anything even after he inevitably defeats Sugar and Trebol.
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Old 2014-03-05, 18:05   Link #70
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Man, oh man, I saw the Usopp bashing coming from a mile away..... this almost feels like Water 7 all over again, to be honest.


Anyway, while I definitely agree that pussing out is far from the most respectable action, I don't feel as strongly about this outcome because I never expected Usopp to emerge fresh from the timeskip as Mr. Fearless. Far from it, in fact. Plus, we also gotta remember that the stakes are gonna be a lot higher now that they're in the New World, and I imagine that would freak out most normal folks in general. That being said, even if he succumbs to the pressure now, I fully expect Usopp to (re)grow a pair and return to action in due time. After all, the guy himself is well aware that he just can't keep running away from his problems.....
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Old 2014-03-05, 18:19   Link #71
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While he's seemingly leaving the dwarves behind, I think Usopp is just going trough the same he went during the stay in Water 7, when the crew told him about the Going Merry's condition and he reacted badly but in the end admitted he was just lying to himself.

Actually, Usopp has been lying to himself countless times, and always manned up and ended up doing something astounding. This time it should be no different.

And agreed with Marvel. Removing Usopp's scaredy cat antics would be the same as removing Zoro's terrible sense of direction, Luffy's recklessness, or Sanji's obessession with women.

Just my two cents.
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Old 2014-03-05, 19:01   Link #72
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Usopp's been pretty pathetic on Dressrosa, but in regards to him running away, we gotta remember that he completely forgot about Robin (maybe even everything they talked about, including parts of the plan) and the only thing tying him to the dwarves is them capturing him, then releasing him because he lied about being a great hero related to Norland.

He used to run away even when his crew depended on him (only to return, of course), I don't see why he would risk his life for someone he barely knows, when the enemy basically crushed them in a few moves.

He looks pathetic running away, but at least it makes a bit of sense...
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Old 2014-03-05, 21:04   Link #73
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Usopp's been pretty pathetic on Dressrosa, but in regards to him running away, we gotta remember that he completely forgot about Robin (maybe even everything they talked about, including parts of the plan) and the only thing tying him to the dwarves is them capturing him, then releasing him because he lied about being a great hero related to Norland.

He used to run away even when his crew depended on him (only to return, of course), I don't see why he would risk his life for someone he barely knows, when the enemy basically crushed them in a few moves.

He looks pathetic running away, but at least it makes a bit of sense...
The crew is used to it anyway... no one complained when Ussopp ran away way back in Arlong Park and when he was not present on the 2 beasts in Enies Lobby, they said "he'll get through somehow".
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Old 2014-03-05, 21:10   Link #74
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Um, Isn't Usopp a Sharpshooter.

Shouldn't he run away and shoot something spicey in her mouth..
Him or Sogeking. Does it matter?
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Old 2014-03-06, 01:10   Link #75
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I actually like what's happening with Ussops Character right now....
I hope Oda doesnt read what you guys just said here...
It actually leads into a dramatic ending where Ussop really is actually bravest man of the sea
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Old 2014-03-06, 03:59   Link #76
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I think there is a bit of over reaction because you guys take Ussop's character seriously. He isn't really meant to be taken seriously. His primary function is to be a comedic device.

Relative to the other straw hat's he barely as a reason to be part of the crew, every other straw hat *needs* to be in the grand line to accomplish their goals. Their dreams are much more ambitious. Ussop's dream is much more ordinary. He's the tag along average joe of a crew of prodigy's and freaks. He's the most human character. He actions how ordinary would act.

This scene your reaction the supposed to be sasuga Ussop (or typically Ussop).
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Old 2014-03-06, 08:09   Link #77
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Seems GreyZone couldn't be more right about the memory loss. The chapter in which Chinjao loses the memories of his grandchildren is proof that Sugar's abilities goe beyond just forgetting the name/identity of a specified person.

Why? Because instead of saying: "I have someone who inherited my army, but I don't recall their names".

Chinjao says: "I have noone to inherit the command of my army. I wish I had grandchildren"

Not just the names, Chinjao has forgotten about everything that had his grandchildren involved in, even the day they were born. Shortly put, it's like Chinjao never once stopped being in command of his army and his son never had children.

And how to forget about Kyros? "No one knows him, nor the reason this statue mysteriously appeared."
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Old 2014-03-06, 09:19   Link #78
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Nah, that's exaggerating. There's Luffy who didn't forget he can do Gear 2nd (he developed it to save Robin from CP9), there's that single mother who forgot her husband but didn't forget their kid, there's Vice Admiral Bastille who remembers he has to arrest someone, but can't recall who, and there was an old man in the Colosseum who thought he recognized Ricky's fighting style, but couldn't remember the name of the fighter who used it before. For Usopp to forget everything what transpired in Water 7 and Enies Lobby would be waaaaay too much. Now, I don't expect him to whip out Sogeking's mask... There's just no reason to believe Sugar's ability to erase memory has such a wide range.
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Old 2014-03-06, 10:41   Link #79
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Nah, that's exaggerating. There's Luffy who didn't forget he can do Gear 2nd (he developed it to save Robin from CP9), there's that single mother who forgot her husband but didn't forget their kid, there's Vice Admiral Bastille who remembers he has to arrest someone, but can't recall who, and there was an old man in the Colosseum who thought he recognized Ricky's fighting style, but couldn't remember the name of the fighter who used it before. For Usopp to forget everything what transpired in Water 7 and Enies Lobby would be waaaaay too much. Now, I don't expect him to whip out Sogeking's mask... There's just no reason to believe Sugar's ability to erase memory has such a wide range.
He didn't develop CP9 to save Robin. He developed it to protect all of his weaker crewmates.
But I must say that Sugar's ability is not easy to grasp... some things one would expect to disappear don't, while others that seem to have no relation to the specific person, do. As I said, I hope Oda will give a more detailed explanation here.
Also as randomlex said, the memory loss may have caused Ussopp to forget these parts of the plan that Robin told him and also how exactly ge allied himself with the "Fairies".
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Old 2014-03-06, 12:15   Link #80
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Chapter 740
Not a bad chapter. Poor Ussop this whole arch has not done him any justice. I wonder who will finish their executive officer first? Robin should be okay has long has the mission to get sugar taken out does not lose focus. That would suck for her if the Straw Hat had to make a tactical retreat. I can’t help but wonder if Daflamingo knows if Luffy, Soldier, and Violet are hiding right there? For guy like Daflamingo his mantra should be pretty good.
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