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Old 2012-06-07, 02:20   Link #301
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Related, Power levels and ranking systems are overused, not to mentions people taking whatever game or sport featured in the anime WAY to seriously.
Umm... those so called “game anime” don’t have genuine story to begin with. Their main purpose is to advertise the merchandise and that’s it. The only focus is the game itself and how to make it the most important thing on earth (in the anime). It’s one long advertisement. And how can you make your main character to use/play that so-called game seriously? Of course they use some kind of tournament and level/ranking system. It’s not overused. It’s essential. You can’t have a game-anime without it.

As for sports anime, of course they take the sport very seriously. After all, sport anime tells you the story of a main character who’s pursuing a career/achievement in the specified sport. Do you expect an athlete to climb his/her glory half-assedly? Once again, in the world of sport and tournament-based games, strong will/seriousness and level/ranking system are essential and inevitable. If you say that strong will and ranking system are overused in those, It’s like saying thrill and explosion are overused in action movies.
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Old 2012-06-07, 02:46   Link #302
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Old 2012-06-07, 03:05   Link #303
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Old 2012-06-07, 07:45   Link #304
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The one that's overused most of the time is...The first girl in a harem or love triangle series always wins -_-. I don't mind harems or love triangle romance series, but at least make the outcome not to blatantly obvious to the point where it's laughable.
I totally, totally agree. Very well said!
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Old 2012-06-07, 08:03   Link #305
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1. Hot springs + imminent service episode
2. Beach episode
3. Childhood friend is virtually guaranteed to lose the love battle
4. Relationship Reset SPAM in shoujo titles
5. Generic male + tsundere female combo
6. Clueless harem guy
7. High school teens will save the world - again.
8. Male leads in shounen will get emo.
9. Breasts must defy the laws of physics whenever possible and somehow not leave the character with sagging ones or back pain later on in life...
10. Anime girls can eat as much cake as they want and never gain weight. Sometimes pizza.
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Old 2012-06-07, 08:25   Link #306
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I don't have 10 of them but at least I had some which bothers me most...

1. In shoujo, a plain-looking, regular and unpopular girl meets a handsome but cold-hearted(as if) guy.

2. In shoujo again, girl often stalked by a pervert who basically had a bishi-looking "mask".

3. Ambiguously to obvious gay bishounen in non-yaoi shows

4. Ambiguously to obvious lesbian bishoujo and moe girls in non-yuri shows
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Old 2012-06-07, 08:27   Link #307
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I have to agree with you on the overuse of mecha, especially when they make them the be all and end all of future warfare. If you actually built a human-shaped fighting platform, it would be easily knocked on its face by a shell for a conventional tank. Really, I see nothing a mecha can do that a tank can't do better. I also agree that under anything resembling normal circumstances, humanity's deadliest weapons would be operated by professional soldiers. The only time I don't mind the "well armed teenager" is when there are plausible reasons for them to be carrying such weapons, for instance Akemi Homura in Madoka (
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and the fact the she is fighting something unknown to normal humans. I also prefer Homura as she uses realistic weapons. As opposed to the average teenage mecha pilot, who is simply pulled out of school one day to operate a 20-story giant robot rather than have a professional soldier drive it.

Also, another thing, why is it that mecha and other super weapons are so often painted a color that give them no camouflage properties, such as red or orange.



Another thing that is overused are overpowered characters. Basically, characters that are immune even to nuclear weapons. Obviously, the Dragonball series are a major offender, and some of the works of Kinoko Nasu (Fate series, Tsukihime), are even more plothax. As for Nasu, I preferred Kara No Kyoukai's heroine, Shiki Ryougi, who has to power to kill anything, destroy any object, etc, but has no extraordinary defensive abilities, if she takes a bullet to the head, she dies. Makes for a more interesting character if their not another boring invincible hero, and the possibility for the "badass normal" character keeps things more interesting.

Related, Power levels and ranking systems are overused, not to mentions people taking whatever game or sport featured in the anime WAY to seriously.
The guy iis likely gone tho. however, some of his points could have been countered.

#9 can be countered with Hollywood cinema where every alien invasions/disaster movies ends with America saving the day. Every cool things happens in USA, USA is somehow Atlantis/Tir Nan Og/Shangri La etc... Ethnocentrism can be found everywhere, excepted maybe in France who are too busy shitting NTR stories like dogs poops over the streets of Paris /jkbutthatshowIfeelaboutmylocalproduction.

#5. Deal with it. Frenchmen have to put up with being portrayed as smug surrendering cowards. I'd rather have my fellows be portrayed as evil as you are. That'd make me feel less embarassed about my country of adoption's recent history.

#3. Wait you mean it's exclusive to Japan? What about the sci-fi channel originals? Stuff like the great sci-fi franchises?

#2. Good Looking Privates. And attractive hollywood casting. Enough said.

#1. I have lost count of how many times we have explored World War II. I guess that it is the only war worth recalling, right? RIGHT?

PS: Creative bankruptcy is not exclusive to Japan. Seriously, if we get a 5 euros bill each time a french movie director makes a movie about yet another cheating wife/husband, each time a video game company release ANOTHER FPS WITH A GRIZZLY MARINE/SPACE MARINE, each time Hollywood churn out another uninspired remake of a 1980s classic, each time the newest documentary talk about WWII. We CAN pay off the debt of the Euro zone.
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Old 2012-06-07, 08:41   Link #308
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Well, since everyone else is doing it, here are the ten that I can't stand from worst to least bad:

1. The Bully/Thug- laziest excuse for conflict EVER!
2. Oscar-bait Drama- pretty much anything Mari Okada writes
3. Sexist Characters Who Aren’t Funny- Oh where do I begin?
4. Depthless Badass Characters & Yuuji Everyleads- personality-less beta MC or personality-less badass? I don't want either.
5. Cliffhanger Cutaway- They really need to find new ways to withhold information
6. The Slapstick- look at Ken Akamatsu to see how it's done right
7. Overusing Animation Saving Techniques- unavoidable in long-running shonen, but can I get more dynamic directing in the Fate series, please?
8. World-Destroying Motive- Destroying the world really isn't as cracked up as it once was.
9. Pointless CGI- What is up with the PS1 graphics? Can we at least go to PS2?
10. America as Enemies- I know we nuked you, but can you please at least let the French be the enemies for once?

@Sheba Most of the cliches aren't exclusive to anime. But they are in anime, so I get to use them. Also, they don't work very well in other media either.
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Old 2012-06-07, 09:07   Link #309
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Well, it's not like I gonna counter argument every posts. However, OP sounded like an elephant stepped on his attributes so much that I can't help but look at the screen dumbfounded.
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Old 2012-06-07, 09:57   Link #310
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8. Earths Greatest Weapons will be weilded by our children .... IF WE WERE ALL FREAKING NUTS.
This I gotta agree so very, very much. In worst cases they also have severe mental trauma, but there's no therapists to even hear them out.

Wait, that's all of them.

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5.Americans in the future are all self absorbed, insensitive, and power hungry!
Cmon I don't need you guys to kiss up to us but as an American, it's disturbing to see people think that we are gonna go the way of the Dodo in the near future. Heck we get enough flack from AMERICAN sci-fi writers as it is.
I almost pity America for this, but then I remember how most Hollywood action movies can be summed up as America, F*ck Yeah!, while their enemies are one-dimensional terrorists/nazis/commies/postal workers. So...meh.

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please make the most horrendous looking one the GOOD GUY rather than the BAD GUY for a change.
Again, the west is equally guilty on this. Avatar wouldn't have raked that much money had the Navi's look like the aliens from District 9.

As for other cliches...the idea that being good at chess instantly means being good at military leadership. No, it's not - in chess there's no fog of war, no concerns of logistics, your soldiers always follow your orders, there's no risk of friendly fire or civilian casualties and both sides start in equal strength.

Also, in a modern setting a general that leads from the front is retarded, not brave.
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Old 2012-06-07, 10:17   Link #311
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I totally agree with #8, since I have noticed it too. If the doom is coming (and I don't mean Doom 3), or some huge megalo-sized robot needs a driver, they let out the teens. Always 15-years old. Always.

You forgot only one:

11) If there is a harem, it's the shy guy who gets to lead it. Okay, but when the fellow gets blasted to the orbit every now and then by a bunch of wimpy women and does not even get the idea when boobs are fed down his throat, I would be worried if he was missing something between his legs. Love Hina, Onegai Teacher, and Oh! My Goddess! come to mind easily. I mean: holy jesus! In OMG the hero has 4 ber-sexy, practically LWO-welcoming goddesess (literally) in his bed, at times in his bath, and still the hero goes like "WAAAH! I'LL CRAP MY PANTS NOW!"

(L like "Legs", W like "Wide..." You can guess what the last word is. )

Just wish they even ONCE made the hero take the iniative and grasp what is being offered. Hope Green Green has the guts...
That's why I like Tenchi Muyo, because it doesn't have a wimpy MC. Sure the girl in it haram are super powerful but he's more super powerful.

And I can forget about rosario to vampire. Sure the main characters weak at first but then it becomes a fucking badass
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Old 2012-06-07, 14:11   Link #312
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That's why I like Tenchi Muyo, because it doesn't have a wimpy MC. Sure the girl in it haram are super powerful but he's more super powerful.

And I can forget about rosario to vampire. Sure the main characters weak at first but then it becomes a fucking badass
That's why I also like Issei from High School DxD. He practically lives to see women naked and doesn't get as baffled and embarrassed as most harem leads who see a cute girl naked. Sure there's the problem with the nosebleeds, but at least he's honest and sincere at the fact that he likes sex and the principalities behind it. Like Sugisaki Ken from Seitokai no Ichizon, he desires a harem and the girls he gets are not only hot, but they're really powerful and some comes from respected/feared demon lord nobility.

I read the novels, Issei starts off weak and sooner becomes the most powerful, if not, strongest character in the series.
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Old 2012-06-07, 14:17   Link #313
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I totally, totally agree. Very well said!
That's why I like harems like Shuffle! and Mashiro no Symphony because:

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A protagonist suddenly becoming the most powerful because he was born with the blood of some powerful demon, spirit, other overpowered ancestor and it's used as an excuse to win.

It makes me facepalm since at that point you just realized the hero was a slacker with too much talent, and the slap in the face is usually that kind of story stresses the importance of hard work and effort. But apparently it only works if you're the main character... In the majority of cases it just removes the value of the characters' struggle.
I dunno this was done fantastically in Yu Yu Hakusho so it is workable, albeit often it's used more as a conflict resolution device then as a way to transition into a new arc and era of a story.
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A protagonist suddenly becoming the most powerful because he was born with the blood of some powerful demon, spirit, other overpowered ancestor and it's used as an excuse to win.

It makes me facepalm since at that point you just realized the hero was a slacker with too much talent, and the slap in the face is usually that kind of story stresses the importance of hard work and effort. But apparently it only works if you're the main character... In the majority of cases it just removes the value of the characters' struggle.
Oh yeah, I forgot that one. This one can work, but the protagonist has to have worked towards being better PRIOR to that kind of reveal.
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Though I don't hate this cliche personally but I think it just little bit overused: When our protagonist, usually non-MC, is close to death, he or she will unleash a very effective attack move regardless his or her own condition with his or her last remaining strength. Often happened in shounen fighting shows.
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The tsundere girl imho is an over used cliche.
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The tsundere girl imho is an over used cliche.
No problem if its Rei Kugimiya's the seiyuu...
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Old 2012-06-07, 21:38   Link #319
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Though I don't hate this cliche personally but I think it just little bit overused: When our protagonist, usually non-MC, is close to death, he or she will unleash a very effective attack move regardless his or her own condition with his or her last remaining strength. Often happened in shounen fighting shows.
I actually don't have a problem with it. Maybe it's because I like using desperation attacks in video games or something, or it's a valid representation of heroism. However, I think the near-100% success rate they have with it is the larger problem.

Too often people go "I put all my life into this!" and wake up fine the next day.

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I dunno this was done fantastically in Yu Yu Hakusho so it is workable, albeit often it's used more as a conflict resolution device then as a way to transition into a new arc and era of a story.
I feel sort of mixed about it. It was a good conclusion to that arc in YYH but it opened a new can of worms that led to that final arc that I was very mixed about. Still, that particular mangaka, Yoshihiro Togashi, seems pretty unique to me in that he manages to use our so called cliches in a way that it's never boring. Hunter x Hunter which seems to have taken a nod from YYH is a recent example of it.

Yu Yu Hakusho largely avoided these pitfalls, because there was a feeling that Yusuke and co earned their place and abilities through giving it everything they got. But there came a point where even that just wasn't enough, and intervention was needed. And weirdly enough it's one of those stories that end with even more unsurpassed goals that they just aren't able of meeting for a longgg while at least. And then it sorta makes sense.

In the greater picture, I still feel this is why often non-MC protags that don't seem to have the main character gift gain so much popularity such as Vegeta from DBZ even though later on he got trounced so much, or YYH's much more effective Hiei (and in terms of characters this was a really competitive show in terms of who was the most entertaining), or even say Fate Testarossa from Nanoha. Though I guess they are popular for other reasons too...
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Old 2012-06-08, 00:31   Link #320
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1. In shounen romance, girls like nice guys and guys like bitches girls that abuses them

2. In shoujo romance, guys like nice girls and girls like assholes guys that abuses them

3. Cute magical creatures are on the good side... Thank you QB for breaking that trend

4. Unexplain power ups (not just in shounen genres)

5. Main character plot shield protect them from dying... at least until the end of the series

6. Overhype villians died in lame ways

7. Moe everywhere

8. Characters never look their age

9. Good guys always win

10.The chosen one
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