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Vexx · 2006-04-04, 16:45

ahhhhh, you're talking about the vast horde of monkeys who missed the important "monolith" meeting and how their needs are easily met

Riker · 2006-04-04, 19:30

Finally saw the last 2 episodes.
I'm pretty glad that I avoided the spoilerious thread before I saw it.
Truely a "WTF?" moment.

Yea, I'm not satisfied with the ending, but rather than ranting long paragraphs about it (there's already countless pages of them), I'm just gonna make fun of the ending.

Spoiler for What if ?!?:

Ah well, at least there's the best part of episode 24.

Spoiler:

Oh ! and episode 23 too !

Spoiler:

I guess I'll still be storing this series on a DVD instead of deleting because of 3 reasons:

1. Hagino
2. Tomoko
3. Saya

musicgal · 2006-04-04, 23:11

Canvas 2 is pretty touching, esp the episode whereby hiroki actually lets that yanagi guy take his painting of the girl *duh, it's kiri!* =X which both of them loves back then sigh... tsk... typical of it to have two best friend liking the same girl.. hmm seems like there will be a major twist now as the animators going to make hiroki liking elis but it seems SO SO SO WRONGGG !! *sobz* i cannot imagine cousins of a wide age gap get together T_T i want kiri to be with hiroki.. they have such a wonderful childhood together... ah!!

musicgal · 2006-04-04, 23:13

[QUOTE=Riker]Finally saw the last 2 episodes.
I'm pretty glad that I avoided the spoilerious thread before I saw it.
Truely a "WTF?" moment.

haha i have not watch 23 and 24 yet. What?!! canvas finish already?!! so soon?! heyyyyyy thats sad... *sad*what happen in the end?? who did hiroki go for?

justinstrife · 2006-04-04, 23:23

[QUOTE=musicgal]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riker

Finally saw the last 2 episodes.
I'm pretty glad that I avoided the spoilerious thread before I saw it.
Truely a "WTF?" moment.

haha i have not watch 23 and 24 yet. What?!! canvas finish already?!! so soon?! heyyyyyy thats sad... *sad*what happen in the end?? who did hiroki go for?

Read the last 10 pages

Cliffnotes: Elise won by a landslide.

musicgal · 2006-04-05, 01:20

[QUOTE=justinstrife]

Quote:

Originally Posted by musicgal

Read the last 10 pages

Cliffnotes: Elise won by a landslide.

sorry justinstife i'm very laggy. where is the last ten pages again??

i'm new to this hehehe

MicH

Kanna · 2006-04-05, 01:23

Sigh, the traditional "cousin over normal relationship" ending. Well, I guess that's how you can make it as close to the game as possible. :P

musicgal · 2006-04-05, 01:46

wow i'm really far behind. hmmm i agree with you all regarding elis's loyalty to her love for hiroki.. for example, whenever this young boy who keep confessing her love for elis, all she do is just be friends and not giving him false hope, unlike kiri who want best of both worlds,, i just didnt like the part that elis being a cousin of hiroki they end up being together, it's really *shrugs* so sorry to all fans out there, i do like canvas 2, i really do!! seems like elis got some sympthoy vote when she use red.. or when she was so unaware on what is going on that u know.. she got knocked down.. i do feel the animators were a lil unfair in the story.. it looks like they give the impression - okay folks i'm tired of dragging, just cut the chase and tell the whole world wht is the ending is about.. as you all notice... hiroki nv nv nv nv nv bother about elis feelings and nv nv nv show any responce when he founds out that elis likes him in the earlier episode, and just because she met in the accident and started to use red, his feelings change too quickly. it's so queer, yes yes it's animation.. but they make it such tat kiri has waited for hiroki for so long, hiroki having inferior complex feel he doesnt deserve her, it was never about elis feelings, he nv bothers and treats her normally.. not to mention he has feelings for kiri for so so so long too.. oh my goodness alot of question marks on my head now...so long story short..

haha ihave to see the ending for myself to make further conclusion... a lil disappointed that the animators rush the animation so quickly for an elishiroki ending.. and ARGH COUSINS Together?? honk honk!! wrong ANs!! :X make it more like...ichigo 100% - now thats an smth.. for manaka to take really long to realise who is the one he feels for or, like tou jou, she does a makeover for the guy she has a crush on..

okokok not being negative.. it's because i love the animation tts why i expect a better outcome or something, cheers!! still rox my world ^_^

Avijja · 2006-04-05, 02:26

Here's a theory on why the show ended this way: Just about everyone here, including those happy with the pairing, was dismayed and baffled. Andiyar provided a solid defense for the scriptwriter's sanity based on a careful analysis of earlier episodes and suggested that some external event was at fault. Marclemagne reported hearing that the show was supposed to run for 26 episodes (see here), and the staff may have had to rush the ending. So what if the staff had finished episode 24, but were told at the last minute by an executive that they couldn't make the final episodes? But it was episodes 25-26 that showed how Elis and Hiroki's love grew. So a rushed staffer copied the bedroom sequence they'd made for a future episode and shipped it. In this case, if we're very lucky, we might see the two missing episodes on DVD as an OVA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by andiyar

But at the rate his character was progressing, I envisioned more of a 'no girl' ending.

That would have been fine. They could have given this an upbeat message of "let's not rush it, give time to let our friendship grow and maybe it'll turn into something else". Or a downbeat "you can only waffle for so long before others are hurt and lose out." Or even a meh "Hiroki just isn't ready for this scary grown-up stuff" angle.

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Originally Posted by marclemagne

I am very disappointed with the subject matter of the paintings, though. I think Hiroki's painting should have been that picture that was floating around of Elis in the red dress. And Elis's painting should have been of the sunset, something she spoke about painting numerous times.

Amen. Those would have been great changes. I was also totally underwhelmed by the paintings they chose to make, especially given the lovely artwork the animators had produced elsewhere in the series.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marclemagne

And why was there absolutely no resolution for Kiri? Saying she will just be childhood friends again is not resolution, does not represent any type of growth for her

Remember how Kiri told Hiroki on the phone that they were nothing more than "childhood friends" and he didn't argue? She finally got him to admit his feelings for her. This sucks, but that's closure and she can move on with her life.

@Riker: Photoshop is great for merging screencaps. I've found that running the Erase tool over the edges of the frames helps them blend together, or use a Mask. The Stamp tool lets you copy stuff from one part of the image (e.g. the pavement) and paint it into the blank spots the screencaps didn't cover. That said, poor Hagino.

musicgal · 2006-04-05, 02:44

Avijja

ooooo so that explains it.. will the OVA be available in torrent? ^_^

sinneD_ · 2006-04-05, 03:07

Ok, after the extremely dissapointing ending i searched google for a canvas 2 discussion forum and came to animesuki (i use the main site anywayz).

wihtout reading much of previous poster and elis fans etc im jsut gonna post my thoughts here >.< anyways the ending is so lame!!!

to be honest, i have seen many anime and im old and mature enough to understand each anime in depth, so anyways, to be honest canvas 2 isnt a particular good series in my opinion, it has the usual 5 girls 1 guy dilema etc, the ONLY reason i decided to watch it to the end was simply because of Kiri. Im not gonna get into all the technical stuff coz i really didnt bother noticing them for this series as all i watched it for is the comedy, shyness, romance between hiroki and Kiri. i always considered Elis to be a burden for the development of the relationship between Hiroki and Kiri. i know its anime and its common but yeah, under age? incest?(got no idea how even thru mixing that she could be a blue eye blond girl LOL), and Elis just does not do it for me, and i dont understand y she would for any one else, all she does is nag all day and complain about lame crap.

This type of anime is like the main character spending most time with 1 of the girls per episode sorta thing so i was always anticipating the ones with Kiri. i think their childhood bond was the standing out part of the whole story, particularly when they reinacted the confession scene on top of the school!. after like episode 20 or so when them 2 shared a futon at the inn and the call from Kiri's friend (lol, yes im hopeless i only remmeber kiri and hiroki's names) i was almost certain the anime will have a great ending when kri hiroki tie the knot.

BAM, WTF, matching painting was a good enough reason for two related fools who already share a house together and their life was so routined and boring already(woulda turned out great like how hiroki was imagining his life with Kiri as gf/wife), decided to.... do it ... i couldnt believe the twist.... its almost like the scriptwriter pulls an aprils fool or some crap. yeah... so.... kiri... a wasted character, even though there was more of her in the anime than elis...

yeah and elis... i think she just admire hiroki as a superior in painting and as a elder brother symbol... i dont think her love developed on the right track such as Kiri's affection for hiroki did... i could go on but ill end it here.

Vexx · 2006-04-05, 03:47

really.. I'm not doing it again.... read the preceding pages for discussions of "cousin marriage" (not incest in most of the US and world) ... "underage" also depends on where you're at (as young as 14 in Japan if no one complains, varies state by state in US ranging from 14 (wt parental consent) on up. He didn't raise her.. they just shared an apartment for a year and he visited her when she was young in the hospital.

That said... I think most of the posters, including people who were pro-ElisexHiroki were taken aback by the LACK of proper story handling for the last episode. eps 22 and 23 *did* do some prep ... it seemed to be mostly Kiri reading between the lines. But we never got an iota of Hiroki being hot for Elise -- so the end credit bed scene was "WTF" for almost everyone.

The idea that there were supposed to be TWO more episodes would go a LONG way to repairing this story (watch for the DVDs or OVAs we hope) --- it would be typical of a anime executive to wreck a pretty good story to save a few dollars.
I'm fond of that theory, especially since the rest of the series was pretty consistent.

Jonathan-san · 2006-04-05, 04:11

Ok, i watched the last two episodes of Canvas2 and i was not pleased with the ending at all.

i know that Hiroki and Elis aren't reallt brother and sister, but still come on (/me shivers). I really hoped that Hiroki would end up with Kiri in the end because in my eyes, i think their a better match. I know that Hiroki has feelings for Kiri because why would he make that painting of Kiri and go crazy when he finds out Shintaro copies his painting and also tries to get Kiri.

Well i guess i can go on and on why i hate how it ended, but i guess i'll leave it at that. One thing bothered me about the ending though... When Shintaro is on the airplane and the flight attendent brings her, her water, Shintaro mumbles in her sleep saying goodbye and then moves her hand and shows two pills. Is Shintaro killing her self by not taking those two pills?

Here's a screenshot of what i'm talkin about:

dan88 · 2006-04-05, 04:18

You guys/girls have been watching too much anime and seem to have missed all the body language and verbal clues that Hiroki was only half heartedly interesting in Kiri. Kiri certainly seems to have picked up them up and did a lot of frowning about it.

Legal age in the UK is 16 so Elisu and Hiroki would be fine here and I believe it is the same in France as well.

I presume the "two OVAs that were inspired by the first part of the game" is a reference to Canvas 1, the orginal series.
Is there any actual evidence for Canvas 2 having 26 episodes beyond the fact that there is often 13/26 episodes in a normal anime series.
I can't help thinking this is just wishful thinking but we can hope.

Vexx · 2006-04-05, 04:28

Problem is Hiroki was "half interested" in Kiri and "had zero interest" in Elise ... physically speaking, based on body language, verbal clues, etc. There's just missing connectivity between that last airport scene and the end credits --- that an extra episode or two might have provided (or some minor changes to Hiroki expressions for the DVD).

@J-san: Good catch on those pills (I was just noticing the shared glove that Elise and Tomoko had split) ... if I read that right... she passes out in the plane before she can take the pills (stewardess was tardy with the water)... fortunatelly, we can assume from her eyes opening that she survives the surgery???
And our favorite-to-hate Yanagi apparently accepts a part time position at the school to replace Hiroki and snare the sad little Kiri ... o the humanity. Maybe Hagino stalks him and blackmails him into oblivion

sinneD_ · 2006-04-05, 06:37

haha, yes vexx u make alot of sense.

but as for myself, i believe that just becuase your state/ country allows u to have sex with ur cousins or what not, doesnt mean u should. arguing against my point is easy but yeah, its my two cents. oh and they arent "real" brother/sister but for crying out loud a guardian should not take that advantage and do what he desires just because the other person show some premature affection.....

so.... BUT THEIR AGE IS LEGAL HERE IN X COUNTRY/STATE... BUT THEY ARENT REAL SIBLINGS, BUT THEY ONLY LIVED FOR X PERIOD OF TIME.... it doesnt matter, if its not legally wrong, its morally wrong. and if u dont wish to have redneck children, please accept the facts.

sinneD_ · 2006-04-05, 06:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan88

You guys/girls have been watching too much anime and seem to have missed all the body language and verbal clues that Hiroki was only half heartedly interesting in Kiri. Kiri certainly seems to have picked up them up and did a lot of frowning about it.

.

what body language man? i didnt know that was an aspect to notice in anime.

if your talking about hiroki's reactions, counting on my memory, hiroki always blushed and cooperated with Kiri when they are about to kiss/hug but always interrupted by a phone call etc and when he fantasised about Kiri living with him, it clearly shows that he is "interested" in Kiri. he also admited he loved Kiri since school, but didnt feel he was good enough for her, therefore he was almost envying/ admiring her. (and im pretty sure they were ready to steal each others virginity on the last ep at christmas eve, but some how looking at a red painting made him actually lose all of his feelings for Kiri and even more magically, fell in love with his sister/cousin, thus the lame ending. yes the painting has very deep meanings regarding to elis overcoming her fears and that, but damn i just dont believe its possible to change a man that fast)

and as for "body language" towards Elis... i dont recall any at all except for the last gay scene of ep 24. the most that happened was when he blushed at the time she was in her flat chested bikini and ran into his room half naked. dont u remmeber first few eps when shes tryign to sleep in his bed but he gets annoyed and kicks her out? she certainly did show alot of affection towards hiroki but he always brushed it aside as her brother/guardian/teacher.

DISCUSS

Nemuru · 2006-04-05, 07:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinneD_

i dont recall any at all except for the last gay scene of ep 24. the most that happened was when he blushed at the time she was in her flat chested bikini and ran into his room half naked. dont u remmeber first few eps when shes tryign to sleep in his bed but he gets annoyed and kicks her out? she certainly did show alot of affection towards hiroki but he always brushed it aside as her brother/guardian/teacher.

He also blush towards ELis at the hospital scene in episode 22 when she wanted to sleep in the same bed with him.

sinneD_ · 2006-04-05, 07:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemuru

He also blush towards ELis at the hospital scene in episode 22 when she wanted to sleep in the same bed with him.

yes he did. after that other kid spoiled Elis's secret to Hiroki, which also made him blush. but we dont know if its a blush for affection, the creators always use red cheeks in anime as an reaction etc. and from that blush u can also see he never thought of himself and elis in that way (lovers) which is why it was so surprising for him.

sinneD_ · 2006-04-05, 07:15

oh and if your tryign to say that after kicking her from his bed in first eps, but then in 22 he slept in the same bed.... if i remmeber correctly, he refused to sleep on her bed until she almost begged him since shes going to france, he finally went in. oh and he blushed coz she rubbed his hand all over her flesh rofl, its disgusting.

2006-04-04, 16:45	Link #801
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	ahhhhh, you're talking about the vast horde of monkeys who missed the important "monolith" meeting and how their needs are easily met __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-04-04, 19:30	Link #802
Riker Peek a boo Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2005	Finally saw the last 2 episodes. I'm pretty glad that I avoided the spoilerious thread before I saw it. Truely a "WTF?" moment. Yea, I'm not satisfied with the ending, but rather than ranting long paragraphs about it (there's already countless pages of them), I'm just gonna make fun of the ending. Spoiler for What if ?!?: Ah well, at least there's the best part of episode 24. Spoiler: Oh ! and episode 23 too ! Spoiler: SAYA ! I guess I'll still be storing this series on a DVD instead of deleting because of 3 reasons: 1. Hagino 2. Tomoko 3. Saya

2006-04-05, 01:46	Link #808
musicgal Member Join Date: Apr 2006	wow wow i'm really far behind. hmmm i agree with you all regarding elis's loyalty to her love for hiroki.. for example, whenever this young boy who keep confessing her love for elis, all she do is just be friends and not giving him false hope, unlike kiri who want best of both worlds,, i just didnt like the part that elis being a cousin of hiroki they end up being together, it's really shrugs so sorry to all fans out there, i do like canvas 2, i really do!! seems like elis got some sympthoy vote when she use red.. or when she was so unaware on what is going on that u know.. she got knocked down.. i do feel the animators were a lil unfair in the story.. it looks like they give the impression - okay folks i'm tired of dragging, just cut the chase and tell the whole world wht is the ending is about.. as you all notice... hiroki nv nv nv nv nv bother about elis feelings and nv nv nv show any responce when he founds out that elis likes him in the earlier episode, and just because she met in the accident and started to use red, his feelings change too quickly. it's so queer, yes yes it's animation.. but they make it such tat kiri has waited for hiroki for so long, hiroki having inferior complex feel he doesnt deserve her, it was never about elis feelings, he nv bothers and treats her normally.. not to mention he has feelings for kiri for so so so long too.. oh my goodness alot of question marks on my head now...so long story short.. haha ihave to see the ending for myself to make further conclusion... a lil disappointed that the animators rush the animation so quickly for an elishiroki ending.. and ARGH COUSINS Together?? honk honk!! wrong ANs!! :X make it more like...ichigo 100% - now thats an smth.. for manaka to take really long to realise who is the one he feels for or, like tou jou, she does a makeover for the guy she has a crush on.. okokok not being negative.. it's because i love the animation tts why i expect a better outcome or something, cheers!! still rox my world ^_^

2006-04-05, 02:44	Link #810
musicgal Member Join Date: Apr 2006	iccc Avijja ooooo so that explains it.. will the OVA be available in torrent? ^_^

2006-04-05, 03:47	Link #812
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	really.. I'm not doing it again.... read the preceding pages for discussions of "cousin marriage" (not incest in most of the US and world) ... "underage" also depends on where you're at (as young as 14 in Japan if no one complains, varies state by state in US ranging from 14 (wt parental consent) on up. He didn't raise her.. they just shared an apartment for a year and he visited her when she was young in the hospital. That said... I think most of the posters, including people who were pro-ElisexHiroki were taken aback by the LACK of proper story handling for the last episode. eps 22 and 23 did do some prep ... it seemed to be mostly Kiri reading between the lines. But we never got an iota of Hiroki being hot for Elise -- so the end credit bed scene was "WTF" for almost everyone. The idea that there were supposed to be TWO more episodes would go a LONG way to repairing this story (watch for the DVDs or OVAs we hope) --- it would be typical of a anime executive to wreck a pretty good story to save a few dollars. I'm fond of that theory, especially since the rest of the series was pretty consistent. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-04-04, 23:11	Link #803
musicgal Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Canvas 2 is pretty touching, esp the episode whereby hiroki actually lets that yanagi guy take his painting of the girl duh, it's kiri! =X which both of them loves back then sigh... tsk... typical of it to have two best friend liking the same girl.. hmm seems like there will be a major twist now as the animators going to make hiroki liking elis but it seems SO SO SO WRONGGG !! sobz i cannot imagine cousins of a wide age gap get together T_T i want kiri to be with hiroki.. they have such a wonderful childhood together... ah!!

2006-04-04, 23:13	Link #804
musicgal Member Join Date: Apr 2006	[QUOTE=Riker]Finally saw the last 2 episodes. I'm pretty glad that I avoided the spoilerious thread before I saw it. Truely a "WTF?" moment. haha i have not watch 23 and 24 yet. What?!! canvas finish already?!! so soon?! heyyyyyy thats sad... sadwhat happen in the end?? who did hiroki go for?

2006-04-05, 01:23	Link #807
Kanna The Triad Fansubber Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In front of my MHD player	Sigh, the traditional "cousin over normal relationship" ending. Well, I guess that's how you can make it as close to the game as possible. :P

2006-04-05, 03:07	Link #811
sinneD_ Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Ok, after the extremely dissapointing ending i searched google for a canvas 2 discussion forum and came to animesuki (i use the main site anywayz). wihtout reading much of previous poster and elis fans etc im jsut gonna post my thoughts here >.< anyways the ending is so lame!!! to be honest, i have seen many anime and im old and mature enough to understand each anime in depth, so anyways, to be honest canvas 2 isnt a particular good series in my opinion, it has the usual 5 girls 1 guy dilema etc, the ONLY reason i decided to watch it to the end was simply because of Kiri. Im not gonna get into all the technical stuff coz i really didnt bother noticing them for this series as all i watched it for is the comedy, shyness, romance between hiroki and Kiri. i always considered Elis to be a burden for the development of the relationship between Hiroki and Kiri. i know its anime and its common but yeah, under age? incest?(got no idea how even thru mixing that she could be a blue eye blond girl LOL), and Elis just does not do it for me, and i dont understand y she would for any one else, all she does is nag all day and complain about lame crap. This type of anime is like the main character spending most time with 1 of the girls per episode sorta thing so i was always anticipating the ones with Kiri. i think their childhood bond was the standing out part of the whole story, particularly when they reinacted the confession scene on top of the school!. after like episode 20 or so when them 2 shared a futon at the inn and the call from Kiri's friend (lol, yes im hopeless i only remmeber kiri and hiroki's names) i was almost certain the anime will have a great ending when kri hiroki tie the knot. BAM, WTF, matching painting was a good enough reason for two related fools who already share a house together and their life was so routined and boring already(woulda turned out great like how hiroki was imagining his life with Kiri as gf/wife), decided to.... do it ... i couldnt believe the twist.... its almost like the scriptwriter pulls an aprils fool or some crap. yeah... so.... kiri... a wasted character, even though there was more of her in the anime than elis... yeah and elis... i think she just admire hiroki as a superior in painting and as a elder brother symbol... i dont think her love developed on the right track such as Kiri's affection for hiroki did... i could go on but ill end it here.

2006-04-05, 04:11	Link #813
Jonathan-san Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Ok, i watched the last two episodes of Canvas2 and i was not pleased with the ending at all. i know that Hiroki and Elis aren't reallt brother and sister, but still come on (/me shivers). I really hoped that Hiroki would end up with Kiri in the end because in my eyes, i think their a better match. I know that Hiroki has feelings for Kiri because why would he make that painting of Kiri and go crazy when he finds out Shintaro copies his painting and also tries to get Kiri. Well i guess i can go on and on why i hate how it ended, but i guess i'll leave it at that. One thing bothered me about the ending though... When Shintaro is on the airplane and the flight attendent brings her, her water, Shintaro mumbles in her sleep saying goodbye and then moves her hand and shows two pills. Is Shintaro killing her self by not taking those two pills? Here's a screenshot of what i'm talkin about: Last edited by Jonathan-san; 2006-04-05 at 04:21.

2006-04-05, 04:18	Link #814
dan88 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NZ Age: 49	You guys/girls have been watching too much anime and seem to have missed all the body language and verbal clues that Hiroki was only half heartedly interesting in Kiri. Kiri certainly seems to have picked up them up and did a lot of frowning about it. Legal age in the UK is 16 so Elisu and Hiroki would be fine here and I believe it is the same in France as well. I presume the "two OVAs that were inspired by the first part of the game" is a reference to Canvas 1, the orginal series. Is there any actual evidence for Canvas 2 having 26 episodes beyond the fact that there is often 13/26 episodes in a normal anime series. I can't help thinking this is just wishful thinking but we can hope.

2006-04-05, 04:28	Link #815
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Problem is Hiroki was "half interested" in Kiri and "had zero interest" in Elise ... physically speaking, based on body language, verbal clues, etc. There's just missing connectivity between that last airport scene and the end credits --- that an extra episode or two might have provided (or some minor changes to Hiroki expressions for the DVD). @J-san: Good catch on those pills (I was just noticing the shared glove that Elise and Tomoko had split) ... if I read that right... she passes out in the plane before she can take the pills (stewardess was tardy with the water)... fortunatelly, we can assume from her eyes opening that she survives the surgery??? And our favorite-to-hate Yanagi apparently accepts a part time position at the school to replace Hiroki and snare the sad little Kiri ... o the humanity. Maybe Hagino stalks him and blackmails him into oblivion __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-04-05, 06:37	Link #816
sinneD_ Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	haha, yes vexx u make alot of sense. but as for myself, i believe that just becuase your state/ country allows u to have sex with ur cousins or what not, doesnt mean u should. arguing against my point is easy but yeah, its my two cents. oh and they arent "real" brother/sister but for crying out loud a guardian should not take that advantage and do what he desires just because the other person show some premature affection..... so.... BUT THEIR AGE IS LEGAL HERE IN X COUNTRY/STATE... BUT THEY ARENT REAL SIBLINGS, BUT THEY ONLY LIVED FOR X PERIOD OF TIME.... it doesnt matter, if its not legally wrong, its morally wrong. and if u dont wish to have redneck children, please accept the facts.

2006-04-05, 07:15	Link #820
sinneD_ Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	oh and if your tryign to say that after kicking her from his bed in first eps, but then in 22 he slept in the same bed.... if i remmeber correctly, he refused to sleep on her bed until she almost begged him since shes going to france, he finally went in. oh and he blushed coz she rubbed his hand all over her flesh rofl, its disgusting.