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TinyRedLeaf · 2007-11-13, 12:18

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machine that develops human feelings is so overdone in anime/JRPG its almost standard, i think the dog with special powers is probably more "fresh" in terms of materials, off the top of my head the only other anime i could think of with thatis Cowboy Bebop.

There was a subtle twist to Aegis though. She's not AI per se -- she's an artificial personality with a Persona. Ikutsuki explained that they decided to give this personality a humanoid body rather than, say, a tank, because they wanted it to think like a human. An artificial mind inhabiting an object would have had great difficulty maintaining a "human" personality -- or so they thought.

By the way, has anyone done any research on the occult aspects of the game? I've done a little pottering around, and was amazed by what little I've found so far. Let me just say that Persona 3 bears more superficial resemblance to Neon Genesis Evangelion than I had realised.

TinyRedLeaf · 2007-11-14, 07:55

I'm suffering from Persona withdrawal. Guess what I found?

Spoiler for Fuuka's Awakening:

Courtesy of the following website:
http://sunamati.afz.jp/kobenidou/com...ona/index.html

If only translations were available for the later chapters...

KKensei · 2007-11-15, 00:45

So...after read several posts...I'm seeing that people are finishing the game at 80-191 hours?.... Is that going through the game twice or what..o.O?...

U<3Anime · 2007-11-15, 04:49

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Originally Posted by KKensei

So...after read several posts...I'm seeing that people are finishing the game at 80-191 hours?.... Is that going through the game twice or what..o.O?...

The average time for finishing this game is around 80 hours i think. For me it was 88 hours because i fell asleep in the summer break part and i wasted a lot time fusing the personas i wanted. Basically, i finished the game within 2 weeks.

RX79GMCustom · 2007-11-16, 15:12

i'm 135 hours in and i'am only at nov 8. most people are racking up hours dungeon crawiling or persona fusing. i mean it took me a good 30 mins. to get megidola, die for me and resist light on thanatos

HurricaneHige · 2007-11-16, 22:20

i finished the game at 110+ hrs, Messiah with die for me, resist dark and Fetilized, Thanatos with nearly all godly physical skills, Loki with all 4-dyne spells, Succubus with all 4 Ma-Dyne spells, all but 4 highest-tier personas. MC has Full Messiah gear (useful ones), Aegis has full Messiah gear, Monads depth gloves and knife, and Monads depth dodge boots.

Take out Loki, Succubus, Alice, Thanatos, and Messiah screening time, i would've finished the game around...90hrs?

Leon_Lelouch · 2007-11-17, 09:15

I have some question here about the ending

Spoiler for ending:

Hemisphere · 2007-11-17, 11:49

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Originally Posted by Leon_Lelouch

I have some question here about the ending

Spoiler for ending:

Well, since you asked...

Spoiler:

MeganeShounen · 2007-11-18, 08:27

@Leon_Lelouch

Spoiler:

And Aigis could probably remember, since she's a robot and her memories aren't stored the same way as normal people would... maybe.

Leon_Lelouch · 2007-11-19, 08:31

Well... I know that Aigis still can remember.... even in the bad ending she still remembered it too....

Spoiler for Persona 3FES:

HurricaneHige · 2007-11-19, 09:23

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Originally Posted by Leon_Lelouch

Well... I know that Aigis still can remember.... even in the bad ending she still remembered it too....

Spoiler for Persona 3FES:

Spoiler for FES:

Ending · 2007-11-20, 13:45

I have been playing this game for a few weeks now and it's been pretty good. Certainly refreshingly different from the regular FF cannonfodder. I don't really like of any of the characters, since they are -frankly- boring, but at least they don't cause homidical intentions minute after you start playing.

What is fun is the skill system, which allows quite a bit of customization. Just have yet to see it due of the strict level-restrictions... What isn't fun is the fact that the tougher battles are sometimes purely based on luck. I.e: if you do not have access to any strategic features, such as immunity to fire or damage reflecting items, it becomes all about scoring a critical at the right time. Not really rewarding because you will absolutely know that it wasn't your skills that granted you the win.

HurricaneHige · 2007-11-20, 15:34

The "skill" require for this game is the planning before heading in to the battle, which is apprent in all Megaten games, more so in previous ones. u HAVE to get the right element/immunity/counter for the bosses or they waste u quickly. Turn base RPGs really takes no excessive skills since u can simply overlevel and beat down on enemies, but Megaten makes overleveling much more tedious and force u to plan the battle, which is why it has such a dedicated fanbase.

I mean honestly...i dont remember the last time i needed "skills" to beat an FF.

Ending · 2007-11-21, 04:51

FF series are mainly about fanboyism anyway, so it's not fair to compare a tiger to a tired, old milking cow.

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u HAVE to get the right element/immunity/counter for the bosses or they waste u quickly.

That is exactly what I thought too, but with access to only lv.13 personas it's impossible. At lv.14 I could had gotten pyrojack, which grants immunity to fire, but that would had helped only the protagonist while the rest wipe. So it's kinda annoying that there aren't any tools to counter the things that cause trouble to you. Not just the level-restrictions of personas, but the lack of items too.

HurricaneHige · 2007-11-21, 09:20

which boss are u currently fighting?

Ending · 2007-11-23, 12:36

Currently I'm heading towards the 60th floor after beating the Emperor & Empress -duo. Noticed that there are many wind or electricity weak mobs here. Luckily I now have a persona against electricity, fire, and ice. Hopefully the next boss isn't something else again...

Emphasize on word "hope", since the game gives absolutely no way to prepare for it in advance. So much for planning.

** Edit **

Pff, it's another luck-based encounter at lv.59: Inteprid Knight. He basically insta-gibs anyone with kill-rush and such, so the only way you can win is that he doesn't insta-gib the protagonist (which means automatically game over). Already lost twice in a row because of this. Cheap. It seems this game just loves to kill you in random occasions for the kicks of it.

For example, now that I have gotten past the knight, the next big boss (day 7/7, Lovers) also has the strat of charming your protagonist, which means that you can't do a jack, and spamming your entire party with a spell that takes about 1/3 of your health. No control + massive damage = game over without you doing anything wrong. In fact, I was doing perfectly well with two criticals, max health, and only 10% HP left on the boss, but again this kind of wipes hint of the shobby design from the part of the game-developers.

It's really unfortunate that they can't patch the faults on console games. Not that they would actually do anything, since fixing the random wipes would require extensive work from them.

GetBackers · 2007-11-30, 17:21

I actually cried while playing this game. That mite sound a little weird, but I couldn't help it. They play some really depressing music at certain times in the game (like when the stripped shirt man is dieing). I also cried when (You Know Who >.>(spoiler not working) died. Best anime game ever IMO.

HurricaneHige · 2007-11-30, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Wordplay

Currently I'm heading towards the 60th floor after beating the Emperor & Empress -duo. Noticed that there are many wind or electricity weak mobs here. Luckily I now have a persona against electricity, fire, and ice. Hopefully the next boss isn't something else again...

Emphasize on word "hope", since the game gives absolutely no way to prepare for it in advance. So much for planning.

** Edit **

Pff, it's another luck-based encounter at lv.59: Inteprid Knight. He basically insta-gibs anyone with kill-rush and such, so the only way you can win is that he doesn't insta-gib the protagonist (which means automatically game over). Already lost twice in a row because of this. Cheap. It seems this game just loves to kill you in random occasions for the kicks of it.

For example, now that I have gotten past the knight, the next big boss (day 7/7, Lovers) also has the strat of charming your protagonist, which means that you can't do a jack, and spamming your entire party with a spell that takes about 1/3 of your health. No control + massive damage = game over without you doing anything wrong. In fact, I was doing perfectly well with two criticals, max health, and only 10% HP left on the boss, but again this kind of wipes hint of the shobby design from the part of the game-developers.

It's really unfortunate that they can't patch the faults on console games. Not that they would actually do anything, since fixing the random wipes would require extensive work from them.

u need to get nacrusis' fertilized item, its anti-charm.
I got 4 but only really needed on Yukari and MC, once thats on the Lover was a joke, and the later bosses requires anti charm as well: the dancers needs anti charm

beamknight87 · 2007-12-07, 19:38

OMG, I finished the game just a couple of hours ago and man, all the events of the final battle are simply epic, the anime cutscenes where the MC goes to face by himself Nyx was awesome, as so that battle.

However, this game left me with a couple of questions/observations...

Spoiler for Comments:

1.- Kinda funny that in the very first anime scene of the game, the MC is listening to the same theme that plays during the final battle. Also, how come the MC didn't even bat an eyelash after walking during the Dark Hour from the station to the dorm? -_-

2.- WTF was Yukari doing in that same anime scene trying to shoot herself with her Evoker when it wasn't the Dark Hour? o_O I thought that the Persona deal only worked during that period of time and not in any random moment.

3.- When the MC first awakes his Persona, Orpheous, the reason that Thanatos also appeared was because all the deal of Ryouji being inside of him or what? Since the thing appears ripping from the inside Orpheous and the MC looks like is suffering a massive headache. I didn't quite get the meaning of this after learning the truth of Ryouji and I have understood it was only due to the ability of the MC to change between Personas.

4.- In the final battle, I suppose the final Arcana card with which Igor is so surprised that appeared is the one of The World... right? Also, the Velvet Room was like an elevator... to where did it arrived at the end of the game?

5.- How come Aigis can shed tears if she is a freaking robot?

6.- What I understood from the ending was that everybody did remember their promise of meeting each other in the Graduation Day and therefore, all the events of their last year, however, I wonder what was their reaction by seeing the MC in coma or dead in the lap of Aigis.
I have spoilered myself by seeing some clips of the Aigis Episode and comments claiming that the MC indeed sacrificed himself at the end of P3. My question is what are more or less the series of events in that game? I was especially interested in the scenes where the... MC appears above the group, pointing at a statue of... himself in some kind of wall and one big badass looking creature seizing it, that and what I suppose is the end of that game, in the form of yet another anime cutscene that shows all the SEES members leaving the dorm.

Anyways, I greatly enjoyed this game, definitely one of the best RPG's I have played, still can't get out of my head most of the great tracks that it has.

U<3Anime · 2007-12-08, 00:46

What exactly do you not understand about Ryoji? It's been a long time since i have played the game. I'll try to tell you what I remember

Spoiler for Ryoji:

2007-11-16, 22:20	Link #126
HurricaneHige Uguu~ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada	i finished the game at 110+ hrs, Messiah with die for me, resist dark and Fetilized, Thanatos with nearly all godly physical skills, Loki with all 4-dyne spells, Succubus with all 4 Ma-Dyne spells, all but 4 highest-tier personas. MC has Full Messiah gear (useful ones), Aegis has full Messiah gear, Monads depth gloves and knife, and Monads depth dodge boots. Take out Loki, Succubus, Alice, Thanatos, and Messiah screening time, i would've finished the game around...90hrs? __________________ Sig's coming soon ~_~ (since 07....) My rant blog (omg i'm blogging now, and not just anime)

2007-11-17, 09:15	Link #127
Leon_Lelouch ミシャだけ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: below the sky, inside the time	I have some question here about the ending Spoiler for ending: After the Nyx battle, Aigis said that she remembered what has happened, so..... did the protagonist remember it too? And in the end, the protagonist is dead? or not?

2007-11-18, 08:27	Link #129
MeganeShounen Huh? Join Date: Nov 2004	@Leon_Lelouch Spoiler: From my playthrough of the final moments of P3, I don't recall Shujinkou remembering nor forgetting that promise of theirs. Though, it might possible that he did remember after all, since he stayed at the dorms (with Aigis, who was also waiting in her own room until she decided to remind Shujinkou), while everyone was at the Graduation Ceremony. Though, he could have also gone to the school, but not attend the Graduation Ceremony... but still, he had Aigis with him in his last few waking moments. And Aigis could probably remember, since she's a robot and her memories aren't stored the same way as normal people would... maybe.

2007-11-19, 08:31	Link #130
Leon_Lelouch ミシャだけ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: below the sky, inside the time	Well... I know that Aigis still can remember.... even in the bad ending she still remembered it too.... Spoiler for Persona 3FES: Someone who has played this game and understand the story please answer this.... What is the protagonist's friends reaction when they see the protagonist sacrifice seal

2007-11-20, 15:34	Link #133
HurricaneHige Uguu~ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada	The "skill" require for this game is the planning before heading in to the battle, which is apprent in all Megaten games, more so in previous ones. u HAVE to get the right element/immunity/counter for the bosses or they waste u quickly. Turn base RPGs really takes no excessive skills since u can simply overlevel and beat down on enemies, but Megaten makes overleveling much more tedious and force u to plan the battle, which is why it has such a dedicated fanbase. I mean honestly...i dont remember the last time i needed "skills" to beat an FF. __________________ Sig's coming soon ~_~ (since 07....) My rant blog (omg i'm blogging now, and not just anime)

2007-11-14, 07:55	Link #122
TinyRedLeaf Moving in circles Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 49	I'm suffering from Persona withdrawal. Guess what I found? Spoiler for Fuuka's Awakening: Courtesy of the following website: http://sunamati.afz.jp/kobenidou/com...ona/index.html If only translations were available for the later chapters...

2007-11-15, 00:45	Link #123
KKensei Lost Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: On a mountain	So...after read several posts...I'm seeing that people are finishing the game at 80-191 hours?.... Is that going through the game twice or what..o.O?...

2007-11-16, 15:12	Link #125
RX79GMCustom Grumpy Bear Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 44	i'm 135 hours in and i'am only at nov 8. most people are racking up hours dungeon crawiling or persona fusing. i mean it took me a good 30 mins. to get megidola, die for me and resist light on thanatos

2007-11-20, 13:45	Link #132
Ending Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	I have been playing this game for a few weeks now and it's been pretty good. Certainly refreshingly different from the regular FF cannonfodder. I don't really like of any of the characters, since they are -frankly- boring, but at least they don't cause homidical intentions minute after you start playing. What is fun is the skill system, which allows quite a bit of customization. Just have yet to see it due of the strict level-restrictions... What isn't fun is the fact that the tougher battles are sometimes purely based on luck. I.e: if you do not have access to any strategic features, such as immunity to fire or damage reflecting items, it becomes all about scoring a critical at the right time. Not really rewarding because you will absolutely know that it wasn't your skills that granted you the win.

2007-11-21, 09:20	Link #135
HurricaneHige Uguu~ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada	which boss are u currently fighting? __________________ Sig's coming soon ~_~ (since 07....) My rant blog (omg i'm blogging now, and not just anime)

2007-11-23, 12:36	Link #136
Ending Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	Currently I'm heading towards the 60th floor after beating the Emperor & Empress -duo. Noticed that there are many wind or electricity weak mobs here. Luckily I now have a persona against electricity, fire, and ice. Hopefully the next boss isn't something else again... Emphasize on word "hope", since the game gives absolutely no way to prepare for it in advance. So much for planning. Edit Pff, it's another luck-based encounter at lv.59: Inteprid Knight. He basically insta-gibs anyone with kill-rush and such, so the only way you can win is that he doesn't insta-gib the protagonist (which means automatically game over). Already lost twice in a row because of this. Cheap. It seems this game just loves to kill you in random occasions for the kicks of it. For example, now that I have gotten past the knight, the next big boss (day 7/7, Lovers) also has the strat of charming your protagonist, which means that you can't do a jack, and spamming your entire party with a spell that takes about 1/3 of your health. No control + massive damage = game over without you doing anything wrong. In fact, I was doing perfectly well with two criticals, max health, and only 10% HP left on the boss, but again this kind of wipes hint of the shobby design from the part of the game-developers. It's really unfortunate that they can't patch the faults on console games. Not that they would actually do anything, since fixing the random wipes would require extensive work from them. Last edited by Ending; 2007-11-24 at 13:11.

2007-11-30, 17:21	Link #137
GetBackers Semper Fi Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 32	I actually cried while playing this game. That mite sound a little weird, but I couldn't help it. They play some really depressing music at certain times in the game (like when the stripped shirt man is dieing). I also cried when (You Know Who >.>(spoiler not working) died. Best anime game ever IMO.

2007-12-07, 19:38	Link #139
beamknight87 Gold Saint Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Beyond the time... Age: 36	OMG, I finished the game just a couple of hours ago and man, all the events of the final battle are simply epic, the anime cutscenes where the MC goes to face by himself Nyx was awesome, as so that battle. However, this game left me with a couple of questions/observations... Spoiler for Comments: 1.- Kinda funny that in the very first anime scene of the game, the MC is listening to the same theme that plays during the final battle. Also, how come the MC didn't even bat an eyelash after walking during the Dark Hour from the station to the dorm? -_- 2.- WTF was Yukari doing in that same anime scene trying to shoot herself with her Evoker when it wasn't the Dark Hour? o_O I thought that the Persona deal only worked during that period of time and not in any random moment. 3.- When the MC first awakes his Persona, Orpheous, the reason that Thanatos also appeared was because all the deal of Ryouji being inside of him or what? Since the thing appears ripping from the inside Orpheous and the MC looks like is suffering a massive headache. I didn't quite get the meaning of this after learning the truth of Ryouji and I have understood it was only due to the ability of the MC to change between Personas. 4.- In the final battle, I suppose the final Arcana card with which Igor is so surprised that appeared is the one of The World... right? Also, the Velvet Room was like an elevator... to where did it arrived at the end of the game? 5.- How come Aigis can shed tears if she is a freaking robot? 6.- What I understood from the ending was that everybody did remember their promise of meeting each other in the Graduation Day and therefore, all the events of their last year, however, I wonder what was their reaction by seeing the MC in coma or dead in the lap of Aigis. I have spoilered myself by seeing some clips of the Aigis Episode and comments claiming that the MC indeed sacrificed himself at the end of P3. My question is what are more or less the series of events in that game? I was especially interested in the scenes where the... MC appears above the group, pointing at a statue of... himself in some kind of wall and one big badass looking creature seizing it, that and what I suppose is the end of that game, in the form of yet another anime cutscene that shows all the SEES members leaving the dorm. Anyways, I greatly enjoyed this game, definitely one of the best RPG's I have played, still can't get out of my head most of the great tracks that it has. Last edited by beamknight87; 2007-12-07 at 21:22.

2007-12-08, 00:46	Link #140
U<3Anime Boo! Join Date: Oct 2004	What exactly do you not understand about Ryoji? It's been a long time since i have played the game. I'll try to tell you what I remember Spoiler for Ryoji: You know the story that Ryoji is the messenger and he got in right?(yea you should know). Anyway Ryoji is the arcana of death, so he's actually Thanatos. If you chose the option to kill Ryoji, he reveals his true which turns out to be no other than Thanatos. In other words, the Thanatos that helped MC to kill the first full moon is basically Ryoji. I'm exactly sure why Ryoji popped out, but I think he knew MC wasn't strong enough to take on the full moon monster back then, so he decided to kick ass for him. =P __________________ omg Ku-chan!