Character discussion - Makoto

[GoldenCrystals]

Originally Posted by FatalMemory

If Makoto had any sense he would've broke up with Kotonoha in episode six.

Instead he chose to be a selfish asshole, deciding it's much easier on himself to not say anything. High schoolers can be stupid, but they certainly know when to break up.

In the long run, he probably would've survived if he would've told her he didn't have feelings for her anymore, and broke up, she might've been a little upset, but I don't think she would've gone batshit crazy.

I second that.

[AnnexC]

Originally Posted by GoldenCrystals

I hate Makoto.
Hes like a super pimp.
What realy makes me feel bad about him is that:he was a good guy at first and then started to become a pimp and cheat with all the girls.
He also became a pervert which made me hate him more.

Yah, I made the same point in another thread! Makoto seemed like decent type in ep1, but somehow he had become a self-centred, unfeeling twat by ep5.

Originally Posted by FatalMemory

If Makoto had any sense he would've broke up with Kotonoha in episode six.

Instead he chose to be a selfish asshole, deciding it's much easier on himself to not say anything. High schoolers can be stupid, but they certainly know when to break up.

In the long run, he probably would've survived if he would've told her he didn't have feelings for her anymore, and broke up, she might've been a little upset, but I don't think she would've gone batshit crazy.

Batshit crazy or no - she wasn't the one to stab him to death. Kotonoha may have given everyone the impression she was off her rocker, but Sekai is the one that lost it. In fact, she was ready to kill him again since she brought the knife to the school rooftop - I would have thought that she was more cuckoo than Kotonoha

[Qu!ck]

He accually reminds me of two people at my school. Jon and Bryce. Both are always flirting with people that date other people, even when they are dating someone else.

[Generic Asian Guy]

Originally Posted by Qu!ck

He accually reminds me of two people at my school. Jon and Bryce. Both are always flirting with people that date other people, even when they are dating someone else.

Let's just hope they don't create any Kotonoha-situations eh? =\

Makoto...what can I say about him...he lacks in empathy. I would consider him a bit psychotic since he seemed so blind to see acts of "true love". Instead, he only saw short-term sexual gratification.

Spoiler:

In the end, he really did end up with "true love", regardless whether he was alive or not.

[gibits]

Here are some pick up lines I learned in this series:

"Ummm......"
"Errr......"
"........................"
".....well, not really.........."
<silly smile>

[IAmTheMurderer]

Originally Posted by Fervor

Let's be real. He doesn't deserve to die. Seriously, he's just a high school boy that probably thought he was the luckiest kid around, until the story took a ridiculously crazy turn. He basically went on a ride until it abruptly ended.

It's high school. Relationships don't have so much depth that people go crazy over them. Many guys do go sex crazy and sleep around. For an average guy like Makoto, the girls throwing themselves at him would easily overcome whatever sense of morals he had. High school boys aren't known for their sensitivity or relationship experience.

He did feel bad at first. He was a nice guy, but he got corrupted by the girls throwing themselves at him. As for his reaction to the pregnancy, it was completely understandable given that he's a high school student.

I think Makoto is a pretty average and normal guy who got corrupted, but he never went crazy. Kotonoha is the one who started the series with hints of crazy and became full blown psycho. Sekai has problems too.

This, all the way. Kotonoha and Sekai's problems were that they were your overly obsessed highschool girls. Now for Kotonoha, I sort of understood. Afterall, Makoto was the first guy she had really ever dared like. She was shy and not very experienced with relationships, guys and all that so when she fell for this first love of hers, she fell HARD.

Wouldn't you say he took the easy way out by ignoring sekai after giving her a baby?

In regard to this - yes, Makoto took the easy way out. However, he obviously wasn't thinking clearly when he slept with Sekai, being the teenage horny fellow he was, and neither did she. They were merely thinking of the pleasure and none of the consequences of such actions. As such, he's fully entitled to feeling surprised and a out of it angry for a while.
In a perfect world, Makoto would have sat down with Sekai after her announcement and discussed it over seriously with her. They would have come to an agreement over what to do with the baby and if Makoto wanted to marry Sekai, he would have.
This happens every day in the real world and I don't imagine most of the jilted ladies go on to stab their exes to death.
In short, both of them should have had better sense. But given these are highschool kids we're talking about, I'm not surprised this was blown completely out of proportion.

[Taler]

Most of Makotu's actions are more or less excusable except for perhaps the last one. "It wasn't my fault!"

That's only time he failed to seduce a girl... magically make a girl fall in love with him. It was also the mistake that cost him his life. I would expect this womanizer to be a little bit more competent than that, and not flunk so badly.

[LustfulEnvy]

Makoto is the essence of FAIL. He had no playboy skills whatsoever and yet still got the girl(s). If Kotohana had half a brain she'd dump him for cheating on her. Makoto doesn't have any good points at all makes you believe all those girls are "easy"

[othera]

Originally Posted by GoldenCrystals

I second that.

Me to.

I think that mokoto is evil... He should of not cheated, but the very least he could of done is broke up with kotonoha strait away.

Also he is a loser, the girls don't use their brains and he just uses his penis.

I mean seriously 4 girls in the series slept with him(one multiple times) just for pleasure, how stupid are they? And sekai dated him after he left another girl for her?... And was angry when she found out what he had done? She should of seen it a mile away, kotonoha also should of left him.

[BetoJR]

Sleeping around for pleasure... when you're a teenager? That's evil, now? It may be all sorts of irresponsible, even more if you do it without protection, but to categorize it as evil... aren't you exaggerating a bit?

[othera]

^ Exaggerating a lot

He is... a mean person to do that to 2 girls that loved him. And a bad person for sleeping around.

[Solafighter]

Originally Posted by othera

He is... a mean person to do that to 2 girls that loved him. And a bad person for sleeping around.

Dont forget the foursome.

I realy would like to have seen the scene, where one of the three girls came to Maktoto and asked:" Hey Makoto... eto... we want to know hot it feels to have a ... boy... ehm do you want to have... sex with us..?"

To bad cause i would like to see Makotos reaction.

Just thinking about it... He was a virgin from the start and from time to time he had sex like a pornstar.

[BetoJR]

Isn't that pretty much every young boys dream? I know it was mine... So, I really don't see anything wrong with the sex per se, but only with his behavior towards the girls.

[Tiran86]

Sleeping around is fine if you're not in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship, but Makoto was in one. He kept putting off breaking up with Kotohona which seemed to have messed her up some. And the way he treated Sekai when she got pregnant was disgusting.

[BetoJR]

Like I stated above, I'm not getting on another moral high ground here. I just have no problem with sleeping around. His other failings are pretty much of the common sense kind - namely, he turned out to be a jerk, when he tasted all the sex he wanted.

[willyvereb]

Originally Posted by AnnexC

Yah, I made the same point in another thread! Makoto seemed like decent type in ep1, but somehow he had become a self-centred, unfeeling twat by ep5.

At ep 5? I think not...he SEEMED that at ep 10, but i think he was that kind of person at the begining just he acted like a nice person at default.I have writen down my opinions about him at that thread

Originally Posted by AnnexC

Batshit crazy or no - she wasn't the one to stab him to death. Kotonoha may have given everyone the impression she was off her rocker, but Sekai is the one that lost it. In fact, she was ready to kill him again since she brought the knife to the school rooftop - I would have thought that she was more cuckoo than Kotonoha

Kotonoha can be somehow classified as "crazy" from the begining and she deffinietly become one at the time of ep 8-9. She idolised Makoto so because she lived always in a dream world where the first love is a shining knight on a white horse who just live for her. So she considered Makoto's behaviour as "Sekai's evil witch magic". If she had to kill someone she kills Sekai not Makoto because that(and that's what happened). Sekai on the other hand is much more realistic and she acts when she feels it must. She's a caring person who's a bit selfish in her love(she's madly in love...she can't help it how hard she tries to hold back...sometimes she can't) but she ready to make sacrafices for others(she seriously tought of breaking up with makoto after Kotonoha's request). I have writen down the reason why she killed Makoto at the correct thread.

[Solafighter]

Interesting analyse, Willyvereb.

[fknazn]

Although im sure im going to have touched on many of the things said here, im going to attempt to give my analysis of makoto

Makoto, simply put, is a innocent soul whos pure thoughts towards katsura were tainted by sekais involvement after their introduction.

Although fundamentally each male person has their flaws, wants and needs and perversion, Makoto had very pure feelings towards Katsura as can be seen at the begining of the series where he holds back his perversion and wants for her sake. His involvement towards getting to know her and being a decent boyfriend also strengthen this point, along with his insistence to have sekai teach him more on how to be a decent boyfriend. Something popular that a lot of males tend to deal badly with, is love. Makoto is a true example of what it means to be in love, and how immaturity, lust, greed and gluttony can do to a person and their surroundings.

That having said, it is that insistence and lack of self restraint that allowed him to fall into the pitfall of having to be involved with multiple women, first with sekai and then with Kato, Kiyora and etc.

His initial indecisiveness and blatant shyness landed him into the situation that spiraled down further and darker, to the point of no return, where his own soul is tainted black with lust and perversion. However, the deeper meaning behind this would simply be his need to have someone love him for who he is, although this has been channeled wrong into lust, and not love.

It is that shyness and indecisiveness that brought forward his destruction through Sekai. In addition, it can be said that she played a vital role in his destruction, it is Makotos lust and disregard for another equal person that governed his downfal.

The detestable actions against Katsura have left viewers with a very exteme version of what it is to be an asshole. This being true as an understatement, one can only feel that his love for Katsura may have been real, just been overshadowed by Sekais immediate sexual payoff, which often corrupts an individual. I wish to quote, Love is blind here.

Perhaps it was love that lead Makoto back to Katsura, true love that is. Her persistance and constant trying is classic behaviour of persons who are in love. Makoto, although incapable of showing true love, may, towards the end of the series, realised that Katsura may have been the best choice for him.

Makoto, put short, was an immature person thrown into a complex situation after Sekais intimate involvement, however, he originally was a good person who had been tainted by the sins of lust, gluttony and sloth.

hehe

I suppose that it i guess, soz - my first post, i dnt think im wrong am i?

Reviews and critics plzz lol

[Solafighter]

@ fknazn:

First: Interesting analyse.

Second: I think Sekai would be best choice.

Third: Welcome on the animesuki forums.

[willyvereb]

Originally Posted by fknazn

Although im sure im going to have touched on many of the things said here, im going to attempt to give my analysis of makoto

Makoto, simply put, is a innocent soul whos pure thoughts towards katsura were tainted by sekais involvement after their introduction.

Although fundamentally each male person has their flaws, wants and needs and perversion, Makoto had very pure feelings towards Katsura as can be seen at the begining of the series where he holds back his perversion and wants for her sake. His involvement towards getting to know her and being a decent boyfriend also strengthen this point, along with his insistence to have sekai teach him more on how to be a decent boyfriend. Something popular that a lot of males tend to deal badly with, is love. Makoto is a true example of what it means to be in love, and how immaturity, lust, greed and gluttony can do to a person and their surroundings.

That having said, it is that insistence and lack of self restraint that allowed him to fall into the pitfall of having to be involved with multiple women, first with sekai and then with Kato, Kiyora and etc.

His initial indecisiveness and blatant shyness landed him into the situation that spiraled down further and darker, to the point of no return, where his own soul is tainted black with lust and perversion. However, the deeper meaning behind this would simply be his need to have someone love him for who he is, although this has been channeled wrong into lust, and not love.

It is that shyness and indecisiveness that brought forward his destruction through Sekai. In addition, it can be said that she played a vital role in his destruction, it is Makotos lust and disregard for another equal person that governed his downfal.

The detestable actions against Katsura have left viewers with a very exteme version of what it is to be an asshole. This being true as an understatement, one can only feel that his love for Katsura may have been real, just been overshadowed by Sekais immediate sexual payoff, which often corrupts an individual. I wish to quote, Love is blind here.

Perhaps it was love that lead Makoto back to Katsura, true love that is. Her persistance and constant trying is classic behaviour of persons who are in love. Makoto, although incapable of showing true love, may, towards the end of the series, realised that Katsura may have been the best choice for him.

Makoto, put short, was an immature person thrown into a complex situation after Sekais intimate involvement, however, he originally was a good person who had been tainted by the sins of lust, gluttony and sloth.

hehe

I suppose that it i guess, soz - my first post, i dnt think im wrong am i?

Reviews and critics plzz lol

Perhaps...because no one can know the full truth...so you are somewhat wrong:P
I'm constatly refining my opinion about everything so my opinion about Makoto and the whole conflict have changed:
Here's my bulky Wall-O-Text about the story mainly in Makoto's point of view(for the full understanding of Makoto):
Part1("Premise of Disaster")

Spoiler for lenght and possible 16+ content:

Makot is a somewhat nice person, but selfish, because he had no one to care about. It can explain his dumbness towards others' suffering later. Perhaps he was shy and even to the extends to cowardess to take action. He was full of perverted thoughts as every other student deep inside.
Now about his feelings towards Kotonoha: He was somewhat attracted to her. She was beautifull, kind, (and had a huge chest:P) and luckily she took the same train as him to school. She was somehow unattanable for him.
Then we have Sekai who had a crush on makoto for a long time and when at last they're in the same class she decided to make her move to get closer to him. She was somewhat afraid about rejection(remember: despite her usual cheerfullness and energetic attitude she has a very fragile soul) so a confession was impossible for her. She' has seen that Makoto have a picture of other girl...that's quite disheartened her(we didn't seen her face before she asks him so we don't knowhow much time she hesitated before she called him). She thought that getting togheter Kotonoha and him kinda impossible so she decided to "help him and get closer to him simultaenusly.
Now back to Makoto: Makoto was somehow confused about it because probably he never had a female friend or even talked with a girl too long. He was even more surprised when Sekai declared to help him getting Kotonoha. He was disturbed by it but partly because of Sekai's threat he accepted it. Nerxt time happened the unexepted...he hd the chance to have a lunch with her, eat her food and even talk with her. It was like a miracle for him. Because of it he was somewhat full of himself and decided to confess to her. Even greater miracle:Kotonoha accepted it!(i've written down my short description about Kotonoha her in my former post). Sekai was totaly surprised because her plan was in ruins...she decided to gave up on him.She was deeply troubled(even if her cheerfull mask hided that well) and Makoto even stronger and stronger suggested that he'll pay her back for her good deed. It was like a knife in Sekai's heart...at last she breaks and stoles a kiss from makoto as payback. Makoto was totally shoked. It's like when a girl from nowhere did that...he had no idea why she did that(not to mention her expression and words after that). He thought about her the whole time until school where she was the same as before the kiss. He was totaly confused and tried to forget the whole thing. Later Sekai decided to support Makoto further because it's better if they're(Makoto and Kotonoha) going to be lovely-dovley very soon...it makes forgeting about Makoto easier to her. Perhaps some of her advices were wrong because she planned the whole thing while she thought herself to Kotonoha's place. But the development with Kotonoha was very slow and Sekai and Makoto got closer and closer. Sekai was extremely troubled about it...while they're much closer than Kotonoha and Makoto she has no chance to get Makoto's love(or as she thought). Makoto became more and more irritated and frustrated about Kotonoha's behaviour...while Sekai successfully softened up Kotonoha and Makoto the progression were still very slow... and Makoto burned with his desires. Sekai thought that with that Makoto become more and more bashfull(she thought right) and it slowes the progression eventually.Sekai decided to do some "physical practice" it has two objectives:- Educate Makoto some gentleness in his method of touching and find a great place where they can do that with Kotonoha.
-Release her stress and being Makoto's lover for a day(seducing him maybe never poped up in her mind)
During the "training" Sekai was caried away and they've almost ended up doing sex! Then it was quite obvious even for Makoto that Sekai had and has feelings for him. He felt a bit guilt but moreover confused...Makoto's inner thoughts:"then Sekai too loves me?", "What shall i do?", "Sekai's body felt good too","Heck, almost got her!", "Then Kotonoha is my girlfriend? But Sekai is cute too!", "I am feeling more comfortable with Sekai...Kotonoha just makes me frustrated...then what shall i do with Sekai?"
At the pool he was still troubled...The "misunderstanding" about Sekai and Makoto's relationship cleared and Kotonoha officialy became his girlfriend. But somehow Makoto hoped the opposite("if Sekai were my girlfriend my life would be much easier!"). Sekai still felt guilt and troubled to the core. She felt jealus and sad when she seen Makoto touching Kotonoha...she couldn't bear to see it. Makoto was gratefull to his "training"...he surely improved and became more gentle and subtle teasing Kotonoha. Perhaps in the mentime he thought:"What a pain...in Sekai's case no matter how rough i was she still let me do it! Perhaps the size of reward is different ". He looked around and searching for Sekai("i need more "training"!"). She found her somehow and suggested another "training". It was plainly rejected no matter how he tried(i mean with woirds...). Then near to the end of the day he cornered her and Sekai's mask breaks. She said clarly the cause: She can't bercause Makoto is Kotonoha's boyfriend...he can't cheat her.
That was the point where it was clear to Makoto that he must choose beetween the two. Then which one? He leaned towards Sekai but it would be rough and even maybe uncool to choose Sekai just after he became official couple with Kotonoha. He thought about it a lot then decided with Sekai. He was possessed with something because the thing he did then was his "greratest" move(he independently did that without anyone other's strenght...it was even greater than his confession to Kotonoha):He calls Sekai and begin a heated text messaging with her(in practice a confession of his part) and took a train towards Sekai's home. Sekai was relucant because she didn't want to cause any harm to Kotonoha but in the end the ice melts and Sekai's feelings bittersweet. happy because she became Makoto's lover and sad because of the feeling of guilt. Perhaps they've ended up "resuiming the practice where they're aborted formerly:P(sex).

It's describes Sekai's actions too somehow because you(fkazn) mentioned her tas main cathalyst for Makoto's bad doings.
Sorry i can't finish it because i have to go
NEXT DAY(or i mean several hours later): School Days Character Analysis Part 2: "The Disaster Unfolding"