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Old 2010-11-12, 14:39   Link #1161
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My memory must be playing tricks on me but last time we saw Luke wasn't he still in the middle of dealing with Milan? What happened to that?
That's what I remembered too, I'm guessing he took care of Milan pretty fast and then raced over to Imperial Nelpha where the god's eyes children were.

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Old 2010-11-12, 14:52   Link #1162
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For those against Kiefer, please do note that she has spent the last few years travelling and looking for information to help Ryner. Thats already pretty good devotion. Ferris is most matching in terms of personality with Ryner, but Kiefer isn't worth nothing either

As for the group of eye bearers, even if Tia's group survives, if one of the kids grows up into a humanity hating eye bearer, it will just continue the cycle of violence and the entire grouping of eye bearers will have to bear the retributive actions and ill will created by that one person. The ill will then creates the vicious cycle as more eye bearers will hate humanity. Our own real life history is full of such stories if you subsitute the eye bears and normal humans with real life groups/races/nationalities/religions/etc

With that in mind, identifying and getting rid of all of them is the fastest method. Is it the humane method? No. Is it the best method? No, the best method requires sincerity and cooperation from both sides. Can the Gastark king be faulted for using such a method? I do not know.
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Old 2010-11-12, 14:59   Link #1163
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Old 2010-11-12, 15:13   Link #1164
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For those against Kiefer, please do note that she has spent the last few years travelling and looking for information to help Ryner. Thats already pretty good devotion. Ferris is most matching in terms of personality with Ryner, but Kiefer isn't worth nothing either
Someone's against Kiefer?
Kiefer's like the ketchup and Ferris like the mayonnaise, I like both very much.

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With that in mind, identifying and getting rid of all of them is the fastest method. Is it the humane method? No. Is it the best method? No, the best method requires sincerity and cooperation from both sides. Can the Gastark king be faulted for using such a method? I do not know.
We've seen more of Sion's sympathetic side so far, though I'd like to think he and Gastark's king (too many names ) have some similarities.
I'm very curious as for how he will react towards people he might meet in person from Roland/Estabul who are to be obliterated and/or are simply innocent and/or have undergone Gastark's cruelties before.
So far he's the straightforward offensive and honest 'idiot' who's rather optimistic while Sion's the defensive thoughtful stand-alone guy, that means Gastark's king carries the responsibilities for most victims that have to be killed in order to move forward for the same goal as Sion's.
What would he have done if he was at the incident with Kuku's rescue or when all those eye-bearers were murdered?
I can't wait to see how he handles such cases in actuality, or maybe his subordinates are the only ones who do the 'dirty' work.
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Old 2010-11-12, 15:20   Link #1165
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Old 2010-11-12, 15:45   Link #1166
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I bet against it unless he opens his eyes again to support what he said at the end of 19.
And till we know what actually happened to Milan / Miruku.
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Old 2010-11-12, 18:04   Link #1167
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Old 2010-11-12, 18:25   Link #1168
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Old 2010-11-12, 19:02   Link #1169
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This is a really sad episode
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Old 2010-11-12, 20:40   Link #1170
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My memory must be playing tricks on me but last time we saw Luke wasn't he still in the middle of dealing with Milan? What happened to that?
If I had to guess, Milan must have convinced Luke to kill Ryner in order to free Milk. Killing Ryner will still fall under the king's orders. Also, Luke might realize the value of Milan's "help" for the king. Since Ryner is no longer by Sion's side, killing him would prevent a possible "problem" from arising later on.

Next episode looks like Ferris will come and save the day, again. It will most likely end with someone dying, although not sure who yet. There are 3 factions surrounding Ryner right now, and at least one of those 3 will need to be eliminated in order to have resolution to one part of the story.
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Old 2010-11-12, 21:12   Link #1171
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Next episode looks like Ferris will come and save the day, again. It will most likely end with someone dying, although not sure who yet. There are 3 factions surrounding Ryner right now, and at least one of those 3 will need to be eliminated in order to have resolution to one part of the story.
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Old 2010-11-12, 21:33   Link #1172
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Old 2010-11-13, 05:08   Link #1173
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I hope that pink haired guy Lir or Ril (controller of lightning beasts) dies

I hope that pink haired guy Lir or Ril (controller of lightning beasts) dies, dam I really hate his guts just as Sui and Kuu. Damn,
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I think the REAL BAD GUYS here are the Gastark King and his subordinates (especially Orla siblings).

I mean they had a small peaceful country going on in the north when all of a sudden they decided to conquer everyone to achieve their notion of peace? It even pisses me off how the king acts all emo about how he hates wars when he is the one initiating it all himself! Ughh! I hate him, and I definitely want the author to take on the direction of making Gastark the main enemy that they will have to definitely crush.

I definitely cant feel any empathy at all to Refal's cause (Gastark's King). They start the war themselves to achieve their OWN peace. While at least I understand why Sion's initial definition of peace was to eliminate the nobles whom of course are corrupt and also behind a bunch of battles and wars. Well at least this was before Gastark started conquering nations and Sion had to take action to protect his country, which was why he drastically changed for the worst.

Question about next episode: Does Ryner go berserk? If so which kind of berserk? One where he goes out of control (the ones we already saw in ep.3 and 9-10) or One where he finally gets serious and shows them his true skills as Roland's greatest mage?
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Old 2010-11-13, 05:14   Link #1174
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I think the REAL BAD GUYS here are the Gastark King and his subordinates (especially Orla siblings).
The king himself is unlikely. If you want power (yet not looking to destory everything aka insane), you would probably want all your limbs and organs intact to enjoy it. Since the king seems up to date on the subordinates' actions, i would say he's on the up and up and trying to bring peace through force
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Old 2010-11-13, 11:42   Link #1175
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Luke probably knows the other guy is in the grass, so he's going to "attack" Ryner with a wink and his blast is going off in another, very specific location.

My guess. Luke saved Milk. He sends Milk off to get Ferris and tell her where he is. From the preview... someone had to tell Ferris where Ryner went. Tiir sure has the worst secret base EVER!

Riphal and Gastark look like the good guys but its probably all a facade. They're have all the markings of fanatical members of a death cult or something. They're probably collecting those jewels from alpha stigma bearers to power a magical nuke. Riphal is marked for an evil, delusional cackle in the following episodes.
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Old 2010-11-13, 12:02   Link #1176
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Think I hopped onto the bandwagon a little late here, but have felt rather bemused at the lack of bloggers doing this series.

In any case, I thought episode 19 was a pretty nice episode with a little more information on the Cursed Eyes.

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Spoiler for about Sion:


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I have a few gripes though, in how they skipped the story involving Luke, Miran and Milk completely and got us into this. Considering the material they might need to cover and time and budget constraints, that might just be forgivable if they showed us an awesome episode 20.

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Old 2010-11-13, 12:04   Link #1177
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The king himself is unlikely. If you want power (yet not looking to destory everything aka insane), you would probably want all your limbs and organs intact to enjoy it. Since the king seems up to date on the subordinates' actions, i would say he's on the up and up and trying to bring peace through force
Ahh...That touches on a very sensitive topic - Whether the ends justify the means. It is often considered that using force or war to bring peace is extremely contradictory and even hypocritical, but perhaps the only way that has been 'forced' upon kings such as Riphal and Sion who want to change the world for the better.
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Old 2010-11-14, 04:31   Link #1178
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Ryner can't control his powers in the same fashion Tiir can. The Solver of All Equations makes him pretty much untouchable to anything.

Tiir can cannibalize opponents and consume magic on the fly. The other guy can read dreams at will. Ryner has mastered the magic reading inherent to all alpha stigma bearers but he has yet to gain full control of the "Solver."
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Old 2010-11-14, 10:36   Link #1179
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Why i laughed when Ryner said "I hate dango"

Anyway seems like they're(I think Tiir detected Luke too) unable to detect Lir's presence but they can with Luke or he did it in purpose.
Cliffhanger ending...

And Gastark's method are sicks... just destroy all of them..
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Old 2010-11-14, 14:18   Link #1180
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I believe this will be only be available for a limited amount of time:
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